Datisi's University [game over!]

[NorwegianboyEE]

No way i do what i did if Furtive was mafia and i their partner.

Now if you want to theorize that it was TvT wagons and i did it to ensure both was mislimmed then we can talk. But no way i’d be that blatant if Furtive flips maf here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Honestly Furtive not getting limmed and game going dead quiet was what fuelled my paranoia that Furtive was town and GL scum.

[furtiveglance]

Can I ask people who they're going to vote after I flip town?

[Datisi]

vote count 5.01

with 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. week 5 (part 1) ends in (expired on 2023-10-09 02:00:00).

dismissal

furtiveglance [3]:

Ranger, osuka, RCEnigma

not voting [8]:

WhemeStar, Titus, furtiveglance, KatyKimFanClub, NorwegianboyEE, Cephrir, Dusa, Alisae

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[Alisae]

I'm never voting Norwee this game

[Alisae]

if he is mafia GG

[Alisae]

For the people who is just saying Ranger is lying, are you just saying that by the nature of "SHE LIED" she is mafia?
Are you saying that villagers would never lie thus Ranger is mafia?
That doesn't make sense to me when she is on an account that has stated herself will lie. Sure, she could be mafia and lying, but if she's town and lying, killing her via day isn't going to change if that was the correct play or not.
I imagine if I was in Ranger's position and I got a message from Enchant trying to ask Ranger to bait Enchant into getting Nightkilled, my first instinct would be to try to figure out what lie does it. It would probably be a poor attempt, but mafia isn't going to guess it's a coordinated play, ms wolves don't rly read into things like that and even if they did it's kinda impossible to identify.

Sure Ranger could be mafia and she killed Enchant for a very specific reason. If we can figure out a reason that works, cool, but until then, I'm going to need more than the surface level "she lied"

[Alisae]

We have 2 elims today.
Am I guiding the village through massclaim yes or no?
if yes post reads and I'll figure out an order.

[Alisae]

We're really far behind but we have 2 elims today so if there is any chance of getting a lead back, today is the best day to do it.

[Alisae]

If your stance is yes and you are voting, unvote.
I don't want votes during massclaim

[Dusa]

It's 3-8? Usually you massclaim in complex setups in elo-1 right? 3-5 would be eLo (no lim o.k.) so I guess it'd be mc right

[Alisae]

I imagine there is a double kill in play?

[Dusa]

That just pushed it more towards me now so I didn't mention it

[Dusa]

*MC not me

[furtiveglance]

For the people who is just saying Ranger is lying, are you just saying that by the nature of "SHE LIED" she is mafia?
Are you saying that villagers would never lie thus Ranger is mafia?
That doesn't make sense to me when she is on an account that has stated herself will lie. Sure, she could be mafia and lying, but if she's town and lying, killing her via day isn't going to change if that was the correct play or not.
I imagine if I was in Ranger's position and I got a message from Enchant trying to ask Ranger to bait Enchant into getting Nightkilled, my first instinct would be to try to figure out what lie does it. It would probably be a poor attempt, but mafia isn't going to guess it's a coordinated play, ms wolves don't rly read into things like that and even if they did it's kinda impossible to identify.

Sure Ranger could be mafia and she killed Enchant for a very specific reason. If we can figure out a reason that works, cool, but until then, I'm going to need more than the surface level "she lied"

It's just poe for me. The game makes a lot more sense with RC/Ranger + 1 than 3 Mafia who aren't RC/Ranger.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We're really far behind but we have 2 elims today so if there is any chance of getting a lead back, today is the best day to do it.

I'm fine with mass claim if everyone else is.

[Titus]

For the people who is just saying Ranger is lying, are you just saying that by the nature of "SHE LIED" she is mafia?
Are you saying that villagers would never lie thus Ranger is mafia?
That doesn't make sense to me when she is on an account that has stated herself will lie. Sure, she could be mafia and lying, but if she's town and lying, killing her via day isn't going to change if that was the correct play or not.
I imagine if I was in Ranger's position and I got a message from Enchant trying to ask Ranger to bait Enchant into getting Nightkilled, my first instinct would be to try to figure out what lie does it. It would probably be a poor attempt, but mafia isn't going to guess it's a coordinated play, ms wolves don't rly read into things like that and even if they did it's kinda impossible to identify.

Sure Ranger could be mafia and she killed Enchant for a very specific reason. If we can figure out a reason that works, cool, but until then, I'm going to need more than the surface level "she lied"

1) Liars, unless a non selfish reason is shown, start as mafia.

2) No. Town do lie, but there's a reason beyond I'm better than everyone else.

The Enchant lie is only part of it. Ranger also lied about being a power role before Enchant messaged her. Enchant's death just proved Ranger's original lie was nothing more than self serving.

Ranger's reads have been self-serving.

If Ranger hadn't opened with a PR claim, then the lie on Enchant would have a selfless purpose and thus be neutral. However, Ranger's lie on Enchant was serving a narrative she's been crafting from go.

If you think Ranger's town beyond mech, talk to me. Ranger could be a traitor.

We could also punt Ranger down the road. Make no bones about it, I do not trust people who lie and act like they are better than me. It's insulting.

[Titus]

We're really far behind but we have 2 elims today so if there is any chance of getting a lead back, today is the best day to do it.

I'm fine with mass claim if everyone else is.

We should do it after we flip Furtiveglance. If Furtiveglance flips town, then we know WhemeStar is town. We can then hold his claim to the back to catch out scum.

If Furtiveglance is scum, we'd probably want WhemeStar to claim first as Furtiveglance would have been using his dying breath to push town!WhemeStar.

[Alisae]

We're really far behind but we have 2 elims today so if there is any chance of getting a lead back, today is the best day to do it.

I'm fine with mass claim if everyone else is.

We should do it after we flip Furtiveglance. If Furtiveglance flips town, then we know WhemeStar is town. We can then hold his claim to the back to catch out scum.

If Furtiveglance is scum, we'd probably want WhemeStar to claim first as Furtiveglance would have been using his dying breath to push town!WhemeStar.

whats the difference

[Alisae]

I don't rly have good reasons to TR Ranger so I'm tempted to just ignore everything that involves enchant

[Alisae]

oh hmm

[Alisae]

I kind of want to massclaim before the elim tho

[Dusa]

Did someone innocent rce or is that the front of the chain of invests

I guess it was rce ranger enchant

With a fake link

Rce is probably not scum though he like randomly shaded Dannflor for little need that one time

[Titus]

Did someone innocent rce or is that the front of the chain of invests

I guess it was rce ranger enchant

With a fake link

Rce is probably not scum though he like randomly shaded Dannflor for little need that one time

I agree. If Ranger is scum, she's exactly a traitor.

[Titus]

We're really far behind but we have 2 elims today so if there is any chance of getting a lead back, today is the best day to do it.

I'm fine with mass claim if everyone else is.

We should do it after we flip Furtiveglance. If Furtiveglance flips town, then we know WhemeStar is town. We can then hold his claim to the back to catch out scum.

If Furtiveglance is scum, we'd probably want WhemeStar to claim first as Furtiveglance would have been using his dying breath to push town!WhemeStar.

whats the difference

Confirmed town always go at the back of a massclaim.

This prevents scum from tailoring their claims.

For instance, if Adam says he watched Brian on night 1 and Conftown Charlie CCs him, we get lockscum. However if Conftown Charlie claims first, Adam knows his fake claim would fail.