Mini Normal 2310 | Day 7

[Doctor Drew]

I would like to think you are laughing at my wifom joke.

But, this isn't townFlavor. At least person besides him here knows I understand their town game.

[Flavor Leaf]

This is not S/S with me and Hu Tao. This is purely evident that Hu Tao knew his doctor was, which is obvious considering the doctor died that night and Hu Tao was Role Cop.

I actively tried to get a mass claim to learn Doctor, but scumTao shut it down.

Spoiler:

I don't think we need to mass claim. There is a likely doctor here and I don't think it's wise to out them since I got roleblocked and scum have a role blocker.

I think we just vote and end day. And doc is on me or Gera.

wait, whoever got doc'd is conf town, though

we lose out on that info if doc ended up dying tonight

Not doing mass claim. Just yeet so we can move the game along.

True, I'm assuming it was Gera though? Especially since I got blocked. I think doctor outing basically just gives scum an advantage.

No mass claim. I think we just vote

[Flavor Leaf]

I would like to think you are laughing at my wifom joke.

But, this isn't townFlavor. At least person besides him here knows I understand their town game.

The last sentence is true. And you know I am town.

You aren’t trying to read me, you’re trying to fade me.

There is the big difference between your play this game versus how my play was.

I have explained and pushed you as scum. You have simply discredit and pushed to misfade.

[Flavor Leaf]

As it sits now, scum have to guess who the doc is (presuming there wasn't a different reason for no-kill) and try to kill there or risk another no-kill, leaving two investigatives free to act. I don't think mass claim is the right move here.

Dave was also clueless like me to who the Doctor was, this is another reason to town read Dave

[Doctor Drew]

I would like to think you are laughing at my wifom joke.

But, this isn't townFlavor. At least person besides him here knows I understand their town game.

The last sentence is true. And you know I am town.

You aren’t trying to read me, you’re trying to fade me.

There is the big difference between your play this game versus how my play was.

I have explained and pushed you as scum. You have simply discredit and pushed to misfade.

You literally pushed for my misfade today.

I have been trying to read you from the second I repped in this game, only was distracted by Ame.

I have read you, and you are scum......and I am appealing to Alianna's emotions at least, she knows I can read you......I just hope she trusts me.

[Flavor Leaf]

from reading the current convo

i agree with hu tao

abt how abnegation might have said that to appear townie and i dont have much reason to assume otherwise so

VOTE: Abnegation

i just read this early post by aspectenicor (who drew replaced)

newbscum post?

This + Snivy death after + Ame read change right before Ame died + Ame thinking Drew was scum for majority of the game

There’s just layers of reasons why Drew is scum.

Snivy is just an absurdly bad kill if I were scum

[Doctor Drew]

from reading the current convo

i agree with hu tao

abt how abnegation might have said that to appear townie and i dont have much reason to assume otherwise so

VOTE: Abnegation

i just read this early post by aspectenicor (who drew replaced)

newbscum post?

This + Snivy death after + Ame read change right before Ame died + Ame thinking Drew was scum for majority of the game

There’s just layers of reasons why Drew is scum.

Snivy is just an absurdly bad kill if I were scum

Again, didn't you just say that this could be TvT??

[Flavor Leaf]

from reading the current convo

i agree with hu tao

abt how abnegation might have said that to appear townie and i dont have much reason to assume otherwise so

VOTE: Abnegation

i just read this early post by aspectenicor (who drew replaced)

newbscum post?

This + Snivy death after + Ame read change right before Ame died + Ame thinking Drew was scum for majority of the game

There’s just layers of reasons why Drew is scum.

Snivy is just an absurdly bad kill if I were scum

Again, didn't you just say that this could be TvT??

The only world it could be possible in is a Klazam Scum world, and I already responded and explained why I initially thought Klazam could be scum trying to mischain us, but both Abneg and I think the Miller claim just always locks Klazam here as town.

I even had more reasons than that to town read Klazam based on their analysis, which I talked about overnight.

So you keep bringing that up like you’re trying to aim for it because you have to reason that if I get flipped.

[Doctor Drew]

It ain’t me, Drew.

If I’m wrong on you, Drew, it’s TvT.

It ain’t me, though

from reading the current convo

i agree with hu tao

abt how abnegation might have said that to appear townie and i dont have much reason to assume otherwise so

VOTE: Abnegation

i just read this early post by aspectenicor (who drew replaced)

newbscum post?

This + Snivy death after + Ame read change right before Ame died + Ame thinking Drew was scum for majority of the game

There’s just layers of reasons why Drew is scum.

Snivy is just an absurdly bad kill if I were scum

Again, didn't you just say that this could be TvT??

The only world it could be possible in is a Klazam Scum world, and I already responded and explained why I initially thought Klazam could be scum trying to mischain us, but both Abneg and I think the Miller claim just always locks Klazam here as town.

I even had more reasons than that to town read Klazam based on their analysis, which I talked about overnight.

So you keep bringing that up like you’re trying to aim for it because you have to reason that if I get flipped.

I was talking about you and me.

[Flavor Leaf]

And I’ve explained that comment multiple times. Klazam had just voted me, and in the moment, I had thought there was a chance they were taking advantage of a possible Drew v Flavor TvT, but I questioned it in neighborhood, and feel like Klazam was more likely to just be BOP’ing me, and I couldn’t see Klazam claiming Miller knowing that a Nono misfade was about to happen.

Abneg also agrees that Klazam is likely never scum here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Order of townie->scummy

Geraint
Abnegation
Daves
Klazam


Drew

[Flavor Leaf]

Top 4 are all solid town reads.

You’re acting like I should be able to read you as town, Drew, but my main reason for you being scum is because I am able to read the other 4 as town here in addition to seeing things that are solid reasons why you are scum, such as the hiding in background hoping chaos helps you get through.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have no victory path if I were scum misfading you, because there’s no reason not to go me tomorrow, and I have essentially locked myself out of any other misfades.

You are actively keeping the other slots open and not giving your reads or analysis on them.

I STRONG town read Davesaz, and the only option I would have at winning as scum here would be to eventually misfade Klazam, which I do not win. Abnegation has already stated their read on Klazam.

You will likely push Dave if you were to move forward, and hope it works out.

I have played more games with Dave than I’ve played with anyone else in this game, and I know their inactivity isn’t AI.

The way they posted towards Hu Tao, and the way they had no clue who Doctor was Day 3, just like how I didn’t know who Doctor was Day 3, is evident that they are town.

That is one of the best defenses I have for me being town as well. It’s clear af I didn’t know who doctor was Day 3, and clear af Hu Tao did, meaning if I were scum with Hu Tao, i would have known.

And Drew just happened to change their read on Ame right before.

[Klazam]

Huh. If Hu Tao had rolecopped ame, that would explain why no block n3- only gera was truly in play here and doc can’t protect self. That’s a big point in your favor flavor.

[Flavor Leaf]

Its true that sometimes enchant is just scum….

But ya know what…

Sometimes Flavor just town

[Abnegation]

alright.
first of all, let me make myself an unofficial votecount.

flavor leaf (2): klazam, doctor drew
doctor drew (1): flavor leaf

It makes no sense for that to be S/S, just to flip the next day after the guilty.

I feel like Hu Tao and I were clearly opposing each other all game.

technically, if you're scum you'd probably know what hu tao's plan was (as they did soft the "guilty" d2) and could prepare that to make yourself look good if/when they go down.

I also feel it doesn’t make sense for scumMe to clear Drew, Abnegation, you, Davesaz and Geraint here?

Like I actively town cased all 5 of you too.

Drew says they don’t know about the other slots, but it’s Day 5, and they have nothing to say on the other slots?

He’s leaving them open for tomorrow if he gets through today.

If I were scum, I have to deal with being wrong about Drew and I have to turn on a town read in a situation where I was wrong in a 1v1 scenario.

this is a good point, who are you going to vote if drew flips green? you probably don't get klazam through and you say you're townreading dave more.

everyone has replied now i believe.
i tracked Dr Drew last night and got.......

nothing. he was a good boy and stayed home

Really curious, FL, in your discussion about all the mechanics and stuff regarding Abnegation, why did you not mention this?

I have to admit I completely forgot this, and it feels like you’re kind of trying to bury this. Why would Drew not roleblock someone on N3?

I have actually mentioned it a few times in game thread, and Abneg/Geraint can confirm I mentioned it in neighborhood too.

We do not have any confirmations of a Roleblock happening on Night 3. Why wouldn’t Geraint get roleblocked that Night if scum had access to a roleblocker.

There’s a few scenarios:

One, during that day phase, we talked about Drew getting tracked. So one theory is they purposefully withheld while Hu Tao made the kill so they could get tracked and cleared.

The 2nd theory, is that they are an Even-Night Multitasking Roleblocker.

Geraint got roleblocked last night on Night 4, Nono on Night 2. Because Snivy also died, this confirms that the last scum is a Multitasking Roleblocker as is.

I would honestly like abneg/gera’s thoughts on FL within the neighborhood.

I feel like this discussion is drowning everyone else out so I’m going to go silent now

i can confirm the things he said about the neighbourhood are true.

I would like to think you are laughing at my wifom joke.

But, this isn't townFlavor. At least person besides him here knows I understand their town game.

The last sentence is true. And you know I am town.

You aren’t trying to read me, you’re trying to fade me.

There is the big difference between your play this game versus how my play was.

I have explained and pushed you as scum. You have simply discredit and pushed to misfade.

You literally pushed for my misfade today.

I have been trying to read you from the second I repped in this game, only was distracted by Ame.

I have read you, and you are scum......and I am appealing to Alianna's emotions at least, she knows I can read you......I just hope she trusts me.

i do know that. the problem is i don't trust you lol.
i said it in the hood already, but my gut is telling me drew vs. leaf is definitely not tvt.
not sure if i could explain this very well but it almost reminds me of the chatgpt endgame in some way.
the question is...who is who?
i'm not sold just yet, but unfortunately for you, leaf is very compelling.

[Flavor Leaf]

This is not a pocket attempt either

If this were to be a pocket attempt, it loses everything the second Drew flips green, and I just lose thereafter as scum.

Drew was trying to push me as panicky, but this ain’t panicky.

This Passionatey.

This that Flavor obsessed with mafia, obsessed with the hunt of catching scum,

I’m IN IT, and I put my all into solving.

I don’t get to late game as town much anymore, and THIS IS IT!

I caught me a scum.

[Doctor Drew]

This is not a pocket attempt either

If this were to be a pocket attempt, it loses everything the second Drew flips green, and I just lose thereafter as scum.

Drew was trying to push me as panicky, but this ain’t panicky.

This Passionatey.

This that Flavor obsessed with mafia, obsessed with the hunt of catching scum,

I’m IN IT, and I put my all into solving.

I don’t get to late game as town much anymore, and THIS IS IT!

I caught me a scum.

Didja now?

Let's find out.

[geraintm]

Town Loud Tracker
Town Neighborizer
Town Cop
Town Lazy Doc
Town Miller

Scum Goon (informed)
Scum Rolecop

Why is there a even night restriction from a balance pov?

I kinda wonder this myself.
I think is it because my roll has a high chance of outing a town roll (I spot someone leaving home at night and say and they get out) and we just got lucky that I caught scum?

[Random Nurse]

VC (later).

VC 5.01

Flavor Leaf (2):

Klazam, Doctor Drew

Doctor Drew (1):

Flavor Leaf

Not voting (3):

Davesaz, Abnegation, geraintm

With 6 players alive, it takes 4 votes to eliminate someone. Day 5 ends in (expired on 2023-10-08 03:06:57)

[Flavor Leaf]

I think they just didn’t need to block Night 3, so they were okay with Geraint track. Hu Tao making kill didn’t matter because they were guiltied from Nono fillip

[geraintm]

Why do you want me to 'get up on stage' if you are just gonna throw out false accusations of me. You even are explaining away the track on me lol.

The simplest solution is the correct solution, I am just VT.

Pre Edit: Lol, oh I see the answer is Enchant is just scum....I will let you guess which one of us is Enchant here

you not leaving the house doesn't clear you in my eyes. everyone knew my role by that point and it was obvious Hu Toa was dying day 4 so scum would send them out

[geraintm]

Okay- if I’m right we have two elims remaining, including a no-elim day to bring it to 3 players. We have some room to work.

My pool of potential scum is, in order from least likely to most likely, Abnegation -> Drew -> Flavor

Flavor I’m honestly being Uber paranoid about. I find myself agreeing too easily with

Abnegation is mostly cleared based on getting tracked nowhere the night Nono got roleblocked

yes. i wasn't blocked when i checked them, and by process of elimination Abnegation as the last scum would have to be the roleblocker right and so they are not just mostly cleared, they are straight up cleared?

Is my logic right there?

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay- if I’m right we have two elims remaining, including a no-elim day to bring it to 3 players. We have some room to work.

My pool of potential scum is, in order from least likely to most likely, Abnegation -> Drew -> Flavor

Flavor I’m honestly being Uber paranoid about. I find myself agreeing too easily with

Abnegation is mostly cleared based on getting tracked nowhere the night Nono got roleblocked

yes. i wasn't blocked when i checked them, and by process of elimination Abnegation as the last scum would have to be the roleblocker right and so they are not just mostly cleared, they are straight up cleared?

Is my logic right there?

They could only be a Multitasking Ninja Roleblocker as scum in that scenario.

[geraintm]

everyone has replied now i believe.
i tracked Dr Drew last night and got.......

nothing. he was a good boy and stayed home

i just realised i 100% misread the message i got about Dr Drew.
It was not that they stayed home, it was no Result.
I have been blocked both night 3 and night 4