Open 887: Coalition of Frogs (Game Over)

[Ausuka]

Votecount 1.2

It is currently the Coalition Phase. With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to confirm a coalition. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-10-11 13:11:19).

Coalition Votes

Datisi

- Aristeia

Datisi

- Bellaphant

Datisi, Hero at Heart, Merlyn

- Datisi

Bellaphant

- Doctor Drew

Bellaphant, Datisi, Hero at Heart, Merlyn

- Hero at Heart

Bellaphant, Doctor Drew, TheHoldSteady

- TheHoldSteady

Not Voting (3)

- implosion, Malakittens, Merlyn

Elimination Votes

TheHoldSteady (2)

- Datisi, Hero at Heart

Aristeia (1)

- Merlyn

Hero at Heart (1)

- TheHoldSteady

Not Voting (5)

- Aristeia, Bellaphant, Doctor Drew, implosion, Malakittens

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[Bellaphant]

Cool, now I basically agree with everything hero said (I didn't see it at first but yeah, the vibes are off), especially vibe with dats being a strong tr, which I think is weird for me.

[Merlyn]

I dunno, some of that is a reach.

I don't ness. think Hero is scum for giving the reasons but I don't agree with them

pedit: Bella, for example: you think someone was gonna use try and use a joke about flying in from the scumthread to try and prove later he had a scumread on implosion?

[TheHoldSteady]

you tr'd bella's opening, i thought it was null. i liked her page 2 thing about being proud that she had a good take. it's not the best read ever, but it's a read and i also liked her post on this page so i'm keeping it.

I thought it was town because it showed a level of caution that I would expect to see from a town player who is new to the setup. So we had differing views on Bella’s first post. But that’s not scum-indicative, it just means we interpreted things differently.

this is super subjective but i just feel a nullscum vibe from this post, i can't explain it other than it's vibe.

I just typically default to using the avatar to gauge pronouns for posters who don’t have them listed and avatar isn’t the most accurate gauge. It’s fine if you intentionally don’t care what people call you though. wasn’t a game related comment at all.

feels way over-explainy and apologetic for doing something any townie would do without thinking twice.

OK well you’re experienced and you’re familiar with what this setup is. i’m not, and maybe i thought my idea was more novel than it actually is.

this feels like a forced scumread which isn't really based on anything, could possibly be used later on to show that THS has scumreads but could also be easily forgotten if THS decides not to push implo.

ehh, a joke is a joke. i don't have any read on implosion at all. what is the best mo for scum in this phase? if you need one scum in the coalition you want to gain enough people’s trust. picking a player i don’t know out of the blue and being like "they’re scum” right out of the gate doesn’t really fit the MO of the setup.

[TheHoldSteady]

i don't really care if you sr me. i'm all for having a discussion about my alignment, as i don't have anything to hide about my thought process and i can try to explain anything you want. but trying to paint me as scum for what was clearly a joke, and asking people for pronouns makes me feel like you're just using me as a target.

[Datisi]

depends. what's your read on her rn?

weak townread because i still feel the amount of thoughts in reads + the energy is like, closer to her towngame than her scumgame

but you will notice she's not in my coalition right now, so. yeah

idk if pocketing is the word i'd choose, but i definitely felt his townread of bella felt very fake and unnatural, so yeah that's part of my SR on him (also the way he explained why he is including himself in his coalition felt scummy as well)

pocketing wasn't my first thought either, but the read definitely seemed like it was made to make bella like him so i figured "pocketing" is close enough.

but yeah uh 20 is like, giving townie points on something that kind of feels townie, sorta maybe, but if you think about it it's actually nai (scum wouldn't want to hammer someone into a coalition that early either, especially if the person in question is town). kinda feels like that superbowl read i

stole from ausuka

had in friends and enemies i guess

[Datisi]

cool lol

i might as well:

HEAL: Datisi, Hero, Bella, Merlyn

Drew do you want in?

How opportunistic can you be. you basically agree with my two (three? I'm not sure if you're saying you townread Drew here) townreads here while ALSO putting yourself in the coalition, while at the same time saying "idk, THS seems like scum for the bella read and putting himself in the coalition". you're just parroting the wrong read already espoused by datisi hoping no one will notice.

VOTE: Hero at Heart

oh this is a very bad post

THS is accusing hero of being scum for scumreading him while having the "same" views as him, but completely ignoring the fact on how those views came to be, when something like that is very relevant, is uh, a choice

THS, are you an alt? do you have mafia experience elsewhere?

[TheHoldSteady]

THS is accusing hero of being scum for scumreading him while having the "same" views as him, but completely ignoring the fact on how those views came to be, when something like that is very relevant, is uh, a choice

what facts were i ignoring? he deliberately decided not to explain how his views came to be until we pressed him to explain more.

[Datisi]

ngl i think hero might be like, my strongest townread currently

my only ??? about their slot was them saying they townread me on meta when i had made ~2 nonsense posts, but like uhh i don't like pressing on that if that reveals alt-related info

and the rest of their posting is :goodposting: so here we are

HEAL: bella i guess?

[Malakittens]

Ari and Datisi
Did not just have a back and forth conv about me
Did they?
They did.

[Hero at Heart]

but please give me a reason to townread you and not just shittunneling me (no offense meant)

I don't think I am "shittunneling" you as you so eloquently put it.

I'm not very serious about this scumread, it's just a first impression from early in the game - the only reason I am even posting so much about it is because you asked me to.

okay, makes sense

but iirc i also asked about THS read, could you please explain it as well?

[Hero at Heart]

Votecount 1.2

It is currently the Coalition Phase. With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to confirm a coalition. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-10-11 13:11:19).

Coalition Votes

Datisi

- Aristeia

Datisi

- Bellaphant

Datisi, Hero at Heart, Merlyn

- Datisi

Bellaphant

- Doctor Drew

Bellaphant, Datisi, Hero at Heart, Merlyn

- Hero at Heart

Bellaphant, Doctor Drew, TheHoldSteady

- TheHoldSteady

Not Voting (3)

- implosion, Malakittens, Merlyn

Coalition Votes

TheHoldSteady (2)

- Datisi, Hero at Heart

Aristeia (1)

- Merlyn

Hero at Heart (1)

- TheHoldSteady

Not Voting (5)

- Aristeia, Bellaphant, Doctor Drew, implosion, Malakittens

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Mod is the second coalition votes supposed to be elim votes?

[Ausuka]

yes oops i edited it

[Datisi]

THS is accusing hero of being scum for scumreading him while having the "same" views as him, but completely ignoring the fact on how those views came to be, when something like that is very relevant, is uh, a choice

what facts were i ignoring? he deliberately decided not to explain how his views came to be until we pressed him to explain more.

idk if pocketing is the word i'd choose, but i definitely felt his townread of bella felt very fake and unnatural, so yeah that's part of my SR on him (also the way he explained why he is including himself in his coalition felt scummy as well)

i mean, he said right here that the townread felt unnatural, and that your explanation for *why* you're putting yourself into the coalition is scummy. sure he didn't elaborate on it immediately, but reducing this to "THS seems like scum for the bella read and putting himself in the coalition" (implying he's scumreading you for those views, not the way they came to be) is disingenuous

like if you wanted to see if there was actually some sorta hypocrisy in his views here, you can ask him to elaborate on why he holds those. but just ignoring the potential reasons and saying he's calling you scum "for having those views" is bad

[Malakittens]

So my problem is I don’t think I have seen ari scum so idk what her scum game would look like.
My read on datisi is always skewed when ari is involved. Idk why, but this game datisi pinged me right away and not in a good way. The last game I played I had Datisi as town very early
So this makes me just not want to play Datisi in a coalition until I sort dats out further.
I lowkey am townreading ari, but then again never seen scum her so I wouldn’t want to place her in a coalition bc of that.

As for hero I have a townread on that slot
Everyone else I need to figure out and reread

[Datisi]

Idk why, but this game datisi pinged me right away and not in a good way

do you have any thoughts on me that aren't related to my opening post

[Hero at Heart]

I thought it was town because it showed a level of caution that I would expect to see from a town player who is new to the setup. So we had differing views on Bella’s first post. But that’s not scum-indicative, it just means we interpreted things differently.

i didn't say it was scum indicative lol. i said that my reads were different from yours, when you claimed they were similar:

How opportunistic can you be. you basically agree with my two (three? I'm not sure if you're saying you townread Drew here) townreads here while ALSO putting yourself in the coalition, while at the same time saying "idk, THS seems like scum for the bella read and putting himself in the coalition".

like i scumread you for your tr on bella's entrance which i thought was fake. you implied i also tr'd her entrance. i explained that i didn't. you said i scumread for putting you in coalition but also putting myself in coalition. i explained that i didn't like the WAY you went about it. i did it differently.

i can be wrong, of course. but right now all the vibes am getting from you are the wrong kind of vibes. if i can see you posting things sounding townie, i might re-evaluate.

[Hero at Heart]

THS is accusing hero of being scum for scumreading him while having the "same" views as him, but completely ignoring the fact on how those views came to be, when something like that is very relevant, is uh, a choice

exactly

[TheHoldSteady]

THS is accusing hero of being scum for scumreading him while having the "same" views as him, but completely ignoring the fact on how those views came to be, when something like that is very relevant, is uh, a choice

what facts were i ignoring? he deliberately decided not to explain how his views came to be until we pressed him to explain more.

idk if pocketing is the word i'd choose, but i definitely felt his townread of bella felt very fake and unnatural, so yeah that's part of my SR on him (also the way he explained why he is including himself in his coalition felt scummy as well)

i mean, he said right here that the townread felt unnatural, and that your explanation for *why* you're putting yourself into the coalition is scummy. sure he didn't elaborate on it immediately, but reducing this to "THS seems like scum for the bella read and putting himself in the coalition" (implying he's scumreading you for those views, not the way they came to be) is disingenuous

like if you wanted to see if there was actually some sorta hypocrisy in his views here, you can ask him to elaborate on why he holds those. but just ignoring the potential reasons and saying he's calling you scum "for having those views" is bad

So Bella only had two posts and I was jumping to conclusions that it was the first post he townread. OK, then I was mistaken.

[Bellaphant]

I dunno, some of that is a reach.

I don't ness. think Hero is scum for giving the reasons but I don't agree with them

pedit: Bella, for example: you think someone was gonna use try and use a joke about flying in from the scumthread to try and prove later he had a scumread on implosion?

@mer, can you expand/reword this? I feel like the question is wieirdly specific when I've been talking about 'vibes' but maybe you can re frame?

[Hero at Heart]

I just typically default to using the avatar to gauge pronouns for posters who don’t have them listed and avatar isn’t the most accurate gauge. It’s fine if you intentionally don’t care what people call you though. wasn’t a game related comment at all.

this is fair

OK well you’re experienced and you’re familiar with what this setup is. i’m not, and maybe i thought my idea was more novel than it actually is.

interesting. what makes you think i'm experienced and familiar with the setup?

ehh, a joke is a joke. i don't have any read on implosion at all. what is the best mo for scum in this phase? if you need one scum in the coalition you want to gain enough people’s trust. picking a player i don’t know out of the blue and being like "they’re scum” right out of the gate doesn’t really fit the MO of the setup.

what would you do then if you were scum?
for instance, i thought it made perfect sense for scum to pick a player (i.e. bella) and townread them off the gate. i know you are talking about the implo scumread here, but i guess it could be a mistake? scum can't be expected to act rationally 100% of the time.

great, now i feel like i'm both being too lenient with THS and simultaneously confbiasing against them.

[Bellaphant]

I wonder if ths is an alt? I feel there is something/weird/ about the pick of me, but I also feel like Ari has said 'things vaguely about me' that felt a bit red flag

[Hero at Heart]

weak townread because i still feel the amount of thoughts in reads + the energy is like, closer to her towngame than her scumgame

but you will notice she's not in my coalition right now, so. yeah

understandable, she is efforting more than in her scumgame which is also something i mentioned i wanted to tr earlier.

i guess i have no choice but to read her casing of kittens being town / scum with you

otherwise, still looking forward for her read on THS, who she said I could be teamed with twice.

[Bellaphant]

HEAL: hero

[Hero at Heart]

I wonder if ths is an alt?

they recently completed severalgames in the newbie queue so i'd imagine they are new to the site.