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VC 2.1

Vote Count 2.1

Infinity 324 (2 = E-2): Dannflor, Gamma Emerald
Not voting : (5 players)

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-10-03 07:48:32)

[Dannflor]

well i don’t really know what to do with you if you’re town, infinity

[Mr.K]

Yeah, so somewhat annoyingly the main thing that has changed for me is that I see more town now but not really more scum.

I do agree with Dannflor that #251 feels town,

especially

considering how Purplemango played D1. On D1 he wasn't all that active and if he's scum I think it would have been a lot easier to start D2 by something more vague, as opposed to giving an actually useful answer to my concerns (which I also do agree with). I mean, if he's scum, he basically just started D2 off by explaining to me why they decided to kill Daisy, which feels awfully helpful when he definitely had the option of not doing that.

What I now just noticed - probably because I now think Purplemango is town - was #186 which now in hindsight feels town. Another one of those posts where it probably would have been better for scum to leave me with my misinterpretation rather than clarify things for a townie. In general, while I still sort of agree with Cook's observation from D1 about how Dunnstral's somehow managed to stay under the radar quite well (I wonder if it's because the names Dunnstral and Dannflor feel so similar, whenever one posts something I feel "one of the pair" posted something, if that makes sense?), he does seem more helpful to town than the rest of the people.

Gamma and Infinity seem to have a very similar play style in my eyes. Also their interaction at times actually made me feel it could be organic for a scum pair. But at the same time, that's not really based on anything else than a vibe, which is what I myself was criticizing Gamma for in D1. I also have some pretty serious self doubt about whether I can analyze the game in enough depth to do these sort of tells correctly, so I'm doing my best to ignore this vibe. At any rate Even without it, I think they are the two that stand out for me cause I still think Kitty hasn't really don anything overly suspicious, except for being sort of inactive. I do think that the "I don't think scum claims anything except VT here" felt strange at his hammer, but I honestly cannot tell how typical/un-typical this sort of "read" would be for a hammer post on this site.

[Mr.K]

Oh, I did also have a look at the game Gamma was referring to regarding Infinity. I don't think I agree that the way of playing seems similar to me but I obviously have no reference points other than these two games, so I can't tell how he "usually" plays etc.

[Gamma Emerald]

I have never had someone say me and infinity okay similar before but I don’t think it’s a wrong statement, it’s just new

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: cook my heart isn't in this daisy vote let's try this

very sleep-deprived but i'm still ok with my vote

This vote seems particularly weak. It's not clear why you are voting for cook or why you are still ok with it.

it was pretty weak ig, i wanted to vote in the less active slots cause i had a bunch of townreads from the people who were posting. will get to this more deeply today or tomorrow

Who were your townreads?

[Gamma Emerald]

I have never had someone say me and infinity play similar before but I don’t think it’s a wrong statement, it’s just new

EBWOP

[Dunnstral]

don't think town feels any guilt about hammering a slot at deadline

I think it would be the inverse? I can attest the being flipped at deadline essentially just for knowledge sucks so being the one to hammer would probably feel bad as town.

I think I just want to know why Kitty felt the need to justify their hammer on Cook

I also don't really get or agree with the idea that scum would've claimed VT there

Because I barely scumread Cook?

What makes you think that mafia would have claimed VT instead of a power role to try to get more information?

[KittyTacky]

Because a PR claim would likely get CCed and they'd most likely die. Sure the PR is outed too but I think it's a valid play to try and WIFOM your way into looking like town at E-1. Which I thought what was going on here.

[Dannflor]

I guess I find it unlikely given the deadline constraints

[Dannflor]

like I don't disagree with that take generally, but if you actually think about scum in that position, I don't think they can expect a sudden wagon shift with 12 hours or whatever was left on the clock based on WIFOM

[Dannflor]

kitty can you give me some hot takes on every slot

[Dannflor]

kinda think it's just kitty/infinity tbh

do you have reasons to suspect Gamma independently, Mr. K?

[Infinity 324]

VOTE: cook my heart isn't in this daisy vote let's try this

very sleep-deprived but i'm still ok with my vote

This vote seems particularly weak. It's not clear why you are voting for cook or why you are still ok with it.

it was pretty weak ig, i wanted to vote in the less active slots cause i had a bunch of townreads from the people who were posting. will get to this more deeply today or tomorrow

Who were your townreads?

you, mr k, dann, gamma, purple to varying degrees

[Infinity 324]

dann why is kitty scum besides the overjustification, do you think the "scum would claim vt" thing is scummy from kitty?

[Infinity 324]

theoretically this checks out for how gamma would play as town but it doesn't feel the same for whatever reason

Could you dive into what your thought process behind this was a bit more?

i saw the ~solving but not trying to look like you're solving~ that i generally associate with town!you but fsr the gut feeling of you strongly being town wasn't there in the same way, i think it's probably cause you're just getting back into mafia though

[Dannflor]

dann why is kitty scum besides the overjustification, do you think the "scum would claim vt" thing is scummy from kitty?

vibes

i think that specifically is probably nai

[Dannflor]

and i noticed kitty has interacted with or voiced an opinion on every single slot except for you

[Dannflor]

and tbh i just have at least minor reasons to town read almost everyone else and none really for kitty

[Infinity 324]

What I now just noticed - probably because I now think Purplemango is town - was #186 which now in hindsight feels town.

this is really organic imo

pedit ok fair

yeah i wanna just try to poe this thing but scum are usually in my nulltowns anyway so bleh

[Dannflor]

yeah i feel Mr. K is the most obvious town here

I guess I could be wrong on Gamma I'm not historically great at reading it

I just liked the reachy / conspiratorial read on me yesterday

[Infinity 324]

i don't think i can recall a single kitty post so

pedit: ooh ok lemme look

let's say kitty is scum then gamma/dunn/purple i need to figure out which of those my reasons for tr'ing are wrong

that's a smaller pool than i thought hm

[Dannflor]

dunnstral idk really how to read either but I've generally liked his questions and he feels like he's trying to figure the game out

probably my weakest read but yeah

[Infinity 324]

there's nothing really stopping dunn from being scum but he's pretty solidly in the "solving without trying to look like he's solving" category

pedit mmhm

[Dannflor]

it would be really helpful if purple mango came in and just gave a couple thoughts on each player