Open 887: Coalition of Frogs (Game Over)

[Hero at Heart]

cause she ain't scum?

[Hero at Heart]

i don't see any world where bella or implo could be scum.

[Doctor Drew]

You could be wrong.

And yes I could be wrong about RH(though there does appear to be a growing consensus they are scum), but I am working mechanically here, which definitely isn't how I normally operate lol.

[Doctor Drew]

But let's just lim RH, then if they do flip town we can discuss who should be next instead of just nuking Bella or Ari right away(or maybe you lol).

[Hero at Heart]

well go ahead and vote

of course i could be wrong, but then do you actually have a good reason to suspect bella?

[Doctor Drew]

Not really, like I said, mechanics.

VOTE: RH

[Doctor Drew]

Lol, didn't realize we were at E-1

[Merlyn]

But let's just lim RH, then if they do flip town we can discuss who should be next instead of just nuking Bella or Ari right away(or maybe you lol).

Yup yup yup

[implosion]

i am definitely tempted to just hammer but I'll wait. I maybe just should bc I don't think there's anything that RH's replacement could say to sway me here and it's sort of cruel to whoever replaces in to the slot regardless of its alignment but I think we're still getting useful things out of the day. I won't begrudge a hammer if it happens though.

[implosion]

okay i do find parts of 891 more convincing than I thought I would. I don't think enough to override my townread as a whole which is based on more than just that but it is sort of a convincingly possible narrative. I guess a lot of it comes down to performativity though and I don't know if performativity is a scumtell in this case, like I think we had this discussion earlier d1. Like,

also if i'm a suspect to him why is he apologizing to me?

This is something that does bug me, hero does spend the entire game talking to you very abstrusely (apologizing when they think you could be scum, promising not to yeet you even though you'd be their top suspect if the coalition fails) which I've assumed is just some weird thing that makes sense if you know who the alt is of bc you two have history (also based on posts like 894). It does also make sense as some weird scum ploy. But it basically feels like a lot of it stems from this being a performance, which Hero has a good explanation for if town (that they're trying to turn their brain off this game and finding it hard to do so). Whereas it just feels really elaborate for scum to do. Like I don't know if I've ever constructed (as scum) such an elaborate series of "weird" things to do (i.e., the entirety of Hero's play toward you) and idk exactly what scum-Hero's motivation to do so would be except to try to pocket you? Which maybe but it still seems like just a weird way to play scum. I guess you have better meta knowledge than me but eh. maybe i don't actually find 891 more convincing than i thought i would.

[implosion]

I don't think it's Hero. All of this stuff, including yesterdays vote waffling, would have to be a performance. If I'm throwing away the game here I'll congratulate him at the end and also be slightly scared of him.

Yeah this feels right. Like the amount of effort that Hero would have had to expend in order to fake this complex emotional reaction to each part of the game as scum here feels like more effort than i've ever put into a scumgame (or any game) personally.

[Aristeia]

I am not sure how many times I have to tell you that I have seen him fake emotional reactions to game events as mafia for you to understand it is not clearing and his emotional reactions do not even make sense

[Aristeia]

I am fine with you or anyone else hammering RH or the replacement

I do not expect the game to end but I will be ecstatic if it does.

[Hero at Heart]

I am not sure how many times I have to tell you that I have seen him fake emotional reactions to game events as mafia for you to understand it is not clearing and his emotional reactions do not even make sense

you know what. this is such bullshit.

i will just play the game with no emotion then, if it's scummy for me to have emotions.

let's lim ari instead of RH9.

VOTE: ari

[Hero at Heart]

nah RH9 is still scum

VOTE: RH9

[Hero at Heart]

if this flips green i want ari tomorrow though

[Aristeia]

its not scummy for you to have emotions

i am saying your emotions are fake

[Hero at Heart]

actually idk.

i can read this:

I do not expect the game to end but I will be ecstatic if it does.

as ari having tmi on rh9.

she also felt she had tmi on kittens when she said "kittens can be only scum with datisi", and it also feels she had tmi on datisi when she said she will push me after the coalition fails in day 1.

VOTE: ari

[Hero at Heart]

i am saying your emotions are fake

well then you are wrong

try reading my play with the mindset of "i have scum guilt from winning last game as scum and i really want to be town with datisi and ari to make up for it" and all my posts would make sense to you

[Aristeia]

so your theory is that I'm mafia and I decided instead of letting you push RH9 to death today and then Drew to death tommorrow I started to jump up and down and say you're mafia

ok sure why would I do that

[Aristeia]

i am saying your emotions are fake

well then you are wrong

try reading my play with the mindset of "i have scum guilt from winning last game as scum and i really want to be town with datisi and ari to make up for it" and all my posts would make sense to you

I don't believe in scum guilt

[Hero at Heart]

because i said i would eliminate you tomorrow 100% and you have to get rid of me

if you night kill me it would implicate you

[Aristeia]

I am reading your play with "do these emotions make sense in this place in time and do these reads make sense" and frankly they don't

[Aristeia]

because i said i would eliminate you tomorrow 100% and you have to get rid of me

if you night kill me it would implicate you

you only said that after I pushed you

before I pushed you you wanted to flip RH9 and then Doctor Drew

[Aristeia]

if anything your response to me is blatantly survivalistic