TemporalLich's Grandest Idea uPick [Game Over]

[Cook]

cheeky pagetop

[MegAzumarill]

Hm. Dk’s defense was genuine?

Interesting.

I straight up don’t believe that eiralox has a role that was vetoed because of the sheer gamebreaking nature of my own role.

I don’t think massclaim is good because it is only actually a good option if scum doesn’t have some way to fuck with our abilities and it’s pretty much a given that any scum player submitted crazy strong scum roles.

Eir, what’s your itinerants case?

hold on a minute did you say your role is gamebreaking?

T Lich legitimately told me that I wasn’t allowed to use my role in a specific way because it would break the game. Eiralox’s slot claimed that they have a role that was vetoed as gamebreaking, thus making them a vt. I’m not going to go more in depth unless I have to, because being able to plan around my role is powerful for the scum team(s) but I’m pretty sure eir is and has been fakeclaiming. If tlich didn’t veto my role, I can’t imagine what did get vetoed.

it was because it would post the unredacted role pm's of every player who wasn't mafia if i used it, right?

because it would blow the setup wide open and break the game if i pulled that trolley lever, right?

It revealed all the town pms?

[MegAzumarill]

I mean what makes you think Bingle is the one that gave you the invention?

[Gamma Emerald]

the confusing bit is that this invention or a corresponding inventor for it doesn't show up in the gim thread

I think there might be several roles in the GIM thread that basically allow the player to make up whatever

[Gamma Emerald]

this seems ludicrously unfair for this game, so i decided not to take it

this feels silly btw
regardless, you are specifically saying mafia here. Are you suggesting that's the only groupscum in the setup?

[Cook]

this seems ludicrously unfair for this game, so i decided not to take it

this feels silly btw
regardless, you are specifically saying mafia here. Are you suggesting that's the only groupscum in the setup?

i'm saying that the invention was specifically given by the mafia (i know this as a confirmed fact in the invention pm)

i think it's unlikely there's only one groupscum in-setup, but anything's possible

[Cook]

Hm. Dk’s defense was genuine?

Interesting.

I straight up don’t believe that eiralox has a role that was vetoed because of the sheer gamebreaking nature of my own role.

I don’t think massclaim is good because it is only actually a good option if scum doesn’t have some way to fuck with our abilities and it’s pretty much a given that any scum player submitted crazy strong scum roles.

Eir, what’s your itinerants case?

hold on a minute did you say your role is gamebreaking?

T Lich legitimately told me that I wasn’t allowed to use my role in a specific way because it would break the game. Eiralox’s slot claimed that they have a role that was vetoed as gamebreaking, thus making them a vt. I’m not going to go more in depth unless I have to, because being able to plan around my role is powerful for the scum team(s) but I’m pretty sure eir is and has been fakeclaiming. If tlich didn’t veto my role, I can’t imagine what did get vetoed.

it was because it would post the unredacted role pm's of every player who wasn't mafia if i used it, right?

because it would blow the setup wide open and break the game if i pulled that trolley lever, right?

It revealed all the town pms?

no, but had i taken it? would have revealed everyone who wasn't mafia, publicly

therefore process of elimination tells you who mafia is

that's my understanding of things

[Gamma Emerald]

Does it include names in the PMs?

[Titus]

Wouldn't getting all of the town roles be useless if you were dead?

[TemporalLich]

JacksonVirgo has requested replacement.

[Itinerants]

So, if I'm not misinterpretating Cook, Bingle is Mafia who gave an invention that allowed for every non-Mafia player to have their role PM publicly disclosed?
~RH

[Itinerants]

I did tell Rat something was off about Bingle.
So I'm not against VOTE: Bingle.
~RH

[Gamma Emerald]

Wouldn't getting all of the town roles be useless if you were dead?

The info is public

[Bingle]

So, if I'm not misinterpretating Cook, Bingle is Mafia who gave an invention that allowed for every non-Mafia player to have their role PM publicly disclosed?
~RH

There are two problems with this:

If every town player’s role pm is disclosed publicly town wins.
I’m not a moron.

[Gamma Emerald]

Did Cook explain how he’s sure mafia gave him that invention?

[Gamma Emerald]

She*

[Itinerants]

This sounds incredibly fake. And yet, it makes absolutely zero sense to make up something this convoluted, especially since it immediately blows up in Cook's face if she's wrong.

I don't really agree that it has to be Bingle though. What if it isn't a role at all? If it doesn't come from the GIM thread, it couldn't have been submitted as a pick, so it has to be an independent mechanic. And yet, that also seems absurd since why would Lich inject an instant win button into the game?

None of this makes any sense at all if the invention is real, but I don't think Cook is lying about something this weird and specific and implausible. So... it has to be fake. An anonymous messenger that doesn't tell its target the message came from a messenger does have a lot of potential to be game breaking, and I can imagine Lich restricting its usage to prevent particular abuses, in which case, this does point to Bingle. But then the mod acknowledging Cook's action wouldn't have happened, so that can't be it (and I haven't even verified that a role like that exists either).

I guess I have to try to sift through the entire GIM thread to figure this shit out. I'll work on that tomorrow, and hopefully find a sensible explanation for this mess.

-Rat

[MegAzumarill]

I have no doubts what Cook is saying is real

But I don't see where Bingle has anything to do with it feels like its connected because he said his role is gamebreaking but that doesn't mean they are claiming to be the role giving out the invention

[Bingle]

I have no doubts what Cook is saying is real

But I don't see where Bingle has anything to do with it feels like its connected because he said his role is gamebreaking but that doesn't mean they are claiming to be the role giving out the invention

If anything, it’s corroboration for my point, which is that eiralox slot claimed to have submitted a role that is gamebreaking enough to be vetoed and yet apparently a role that can unilaterally win the game for a specific alignment ISNT too gamebreaking.

[Titus]

So we're complaining about a role that prevents lies in massclaim? I need an ELI5.

[MegAzumarill]

I suspect the invention isn't as strong as Cook said and doesn't reveal town players (Possibly by mistake)

I think this because I also got a confusingly worded invention that specifically reveals whether cook got an ability to reveal all nontown, nonmafia members, among a few other things I'll get into a little later

[MegAzumarill]

viewtopic.php?t=59348&start=2090

Here's the role giving these out, that makes Cook clear from being mafia at least.

Took a while to find

[pisskop]

You cannot choose a role that would make it possible for the recipient to win with you via any means, and if the recipient is currently capable of winning with you, your action will fail and the role will never arrive.

[Gamma Emerald]

viewtopic.php?t=59348&start=2090

Here's the role giving these out, that makes Cook clear from being mafia at least.

Took a while to find

That explains why it was allowed ig

[Cook]

I suspect the invention isn't as strong as Cook said and doesn't reveal town players (Possibly by mistake)

I think this because I also got a confusingly worded invention that specifically reveals whether cook got an ability to reveal all nontown, nonmafia members, among a few other things I'll get into a little later

hold on

i need to reread the trolley lever