Mini Normal 2314 - The Mafia Have a Cop [END]

[UnaBombaH]

Like...not saying any of ^^this means town!Gamma.
Just saying that their reaction is NAI, and NOT scum faking emotion.

[Roden]

Marci/Gamma/Bulge

Posting my solve in case something dumb happens to me tonight

[UnaBombaH]

well, then your vote is wasted today cuz Hu Tao aint getting faded today

At this point..so it would seem. And I still think it might be a mistake.
Also, what? People are honestly voting for marci now?

[UnaBombaH]

if both Dann and Hu are town, Una is scum like 80% of the time.

I'm Una, and I approve this message.
Like seriously starting to think this should be taken as gospel by everyone.

[UnaBombaH]

Why. The. Fuck. Would. Town!FL. Move. From. Hu Tao. Here.
Like honestly wtf?
If you are town, you do not know their alignment --> you should absolutely see that their flips is the most informative as of now.
I honestly think there's a good chance for scum as well, but solely based on the information side we should NOT at this point jump onto another wagon.
This screams scum!Boon to me, trying to sway the whole playerlist from Bulge --> Hu Tao --> last minute switch to mix everything up.
While I earlier said that marci is someone I'd want flipped if it wasn't for their claim, I also have reached the point where I can just accept the fact that they are eliminated D2.
THE ORDER MATTERS HERE.

To be fair. He didn't sway it from either bulge or me. I did those 2

First of all it's funny seeing the distance I've come with my read on the situation this morning.
Secondly, make no mistake here: your hesitation on "finishing off" Bulge might've sparked it, but FL is the one who managed to pull people to vote for you.
It's scary how it works, but that is the truth.
Me (still) being on you means/meant very little in the grand scheme of things.
You might've given the spark/nudge, but it's very much FL controlling the flow of the game and the conversation here.

[UnaBombaH]

Hu Tao is like one of the best fades if I were scum here.

Disagree. Said it earlier: Order matters. Nightkill over elimination on Hu Tao is better for scum!Boon at this point.

There's really no reason for me to move off of Hu tao as scum here.

That's like one of the highest priority misfades if I were scum.

You even arguing this point actually reads as scummy to me. You know there's a difference.
You moving off of Hu Tao makes the whole jigsaw puzzle of Bulge --> Hu Tao --> Gamma (and now even marci? ) makes it way more convoluted for townies D2 to try and solve.

Again: Order matters. Town!Gamma before Town!Hu Tao (nightkill) is better for scum!Boon, and you had even Hu Tao confused on what was your doing and what was theirs.

i would say me moving onto Gamma over you helped end the Hu tao wagon.

..but I'll give it to you - this is a town!Boon -observation imo.

[UnaBombaH]

like there's actually a lot of things that should show im objectively town here.

I was waiting for a post like this. Let's go.

one: unless im scum with dannflor, it makes zero sense to defend it without getting a claim from dann first.

This one I already reached a while back while catching up. So yes, this makes sense to me.

two: it makes no sense to move off of Hu Tao, who'd be one of the biggest threats to a scumFL world.

Tackled this as well, and makes perfect sense to me still.

three: it's just kind of weird to defend Dann here as S/S anyways, and again, if I'm WK'ing, then that was super risky because someone could have hammered, and again, didnt even get the claim.

This might be the "best" argument for town!Boon, BUT..I feel like your activation is literally timed around the point where Dann got wagoned and it felt like it might go through.
If I read this from scum!Boons perspective, you might've felt that Hu Tao isn't necessarily going through over Dann, so what did you do? You returned to your highest posting volume, and looked for the most provocative counter-wagon possible to raise the volume on the noise with Gamma. Who was very conveniently easy to even pair up with Hu Tao.

[UnaBombaH]

It's honestly just one of the two scenarios to me right now.
Scum!Boon or scum!Hu Tao.
I'm just trying to make sure in my head that they can't be scum together, and I do think there was a more legit threat of Hu Tao getting limmed before FL moved off (??) meaning that there was a very real threat of a buss there, which I don't think they'd do to buddy_Hu Tao in this game state.
So yeah.
Either town!FL sniffing out gamma as an associate of Hu Tao, or scum!FL.
I think I can stand behind that.

[UnaBombaH]

OK, sorry for the spam everyone, but that was me catching up during morning work in realtime.

Now what I would've loved to discuss is the matter at hand - are we REALLY comfortable with limming marci D1?
I know I wanted that earlier, and still would just love to 100% go there if it wasn't for the claim, but I'm currently in a headspace where I'd rather just get a flip from Hu Tao/Dann/Gamma to get most information possible.

[jjh927]

I'm all caught up

Absolutely no doing Marci today.

I think I'm alright doing this after this whole eod shit though
VOTE: Gamma

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Gamma

[Alisae]

V OTECOUNT 1.25
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Dannflor (5)	The Bulge, Nono, geraintm, Hu Tao, marcistar
marcistar (3)	Firebringer, Gamma Emerald, Roden
Gamma Emerald (3)	Doctor Drew, jjh927, Flavor Leaf
Hu Tao (1)	UnaBombaH
Roden (1)	Dannflor
NOT VOTING:
With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-10-20 19:33:00)
Notes: if you see any errors in votecounts let me know! Fire is V/LA until 10/21

[UnaBombaH]

This is me compromising, and being fine with it.
VOTE: gamma

[geraintm]

I didn't think Bulge was a slam dunk, I wanted to hear from them and get a claim ideally...

naughty point

[geraintm]

OH HE IS? IM SORRHY UNVOTE:

dont undertsand this

[geraintm]

Geraint, Nono, JJh probably has the 3rd. JJh is paranoia of deep wolf more than actually seeing them as scum, but idk if im gonna be able to drop that paranoia, and i dont really think jjh and marci is scum/scum. tinfoiled it earlier, but idk.

you have JJH coming after me early doors then as pure theatre?

[geraintm]

Well this heated up quickly

that is did, it got weird reading it

[geraintm]

it's been clear for me that scum want Doctor Drew or a Dannflorr wagon.

does that make me not scum as i really, really dont want Drew gone?

[geraintm]

VOTE: roden

i dont get this vote.

the last like 5 pages there has been an awful lot of attempts to get wagons going elsehwere. kinda makes me want to stick even more where i am.

[geraintm]

is there any other claims

WHY ARE WE CONSTANTLY ASKING FOR, OR DISCUSSING, CLAIMS D1? -_-'

who knows? I think it is awful. i wouldnt have claimed the hood for sure on day 1

[geraintm]

this is not a hard end of the day, yall just acting like you're supposed to solve game on day 1, and some of yall being performative

Ah, this is the true true.

agree. i have no idea where flavour's burst of activity overnight came from

[geraintm]

i think ive read through 15 odd pages, and seen 3 or 4 different wgons come and go and Dannflor i think has still been top of the leaderboard all the way through.
i have not read anything that makes me think anyone has anything, no matter how much people want to shout and spittle in their posts. it cannot be the case that everyone is right, so i am choosing to ignore it all because even though one person will be able to point to their correctness tomorrow, that means nothing.

i just want to get to Day 2 with no claims and we can all start playing properly then.

[Dannflor]

VOTE: gamma

[Hu Tao]

I am kinda worried about a Drew Dann FL team. But I suppose that can be resolved later.

[UnaBombaH]

Gamma at L-2.
Little under 10 hours to go.