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Post Post #7200 (ISO) » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:41 am

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In post 7198, shaddowez wrote:
In post 7193, Naerys wrote: reading Klazam and dave iso i dont believe Snivy nor RN are red scum
Curious, what about their ISO makes you think this?
They interacted with them without any hesitation. While you were mentioned only few times, which is curious.
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Post Post #7201 (ISO) » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:43 am

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In post 7198, shaddowez wrote:
In post 7193, Naerys wrote: reading Klazam and dave iso i dont believe Snivy nor RN are red scum
Curious, what about their ISO makes you think this?
Even better question, not thinking they're red scum doesn't mean you don't think they're scum at all. Since there's still (likely) two parties in play, why are you focusing on which team they may/may not be rather than whether or not they're scum at all?
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Post Post #7202 (ISO) » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:44 am

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Naerys please unvote shadow
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Post Post #7203 (ISO) » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:44 am

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Sorry I should probably just make small posts instead of one huge wall post
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Post Post #7204 (ISO) » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:45 am

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I want to let her explain, but I have my own thoughts on that
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Post Post #7205 (ISO) » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:45 am

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In post 7203, DragonEater70 wrote: Sorry I should probably just make small posts instead of one huge wall post
we do have all day lol
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Post Post #7206 (ISO) » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:47 am

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In post 7201, shaddowez wrote:
In post 7198, shaddowez wrote:
In post 7193, Naerys wrote: reading Klazam and dave iso i dont believe Snivy nor RN are red scum
Curious, what about their ISO makes you think this?
Even better question, not thinking they're red scum doesn't mean you don't think they're scum at all. Since there's still (likely) two parties in play, why are you focusing on which team they may/may not be rather than whether or not they're scum at all?
i am focusing on whom i believe is likely to be scum
i am suspecting pisskop to be blue, i just feel more hesitant there
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Post Post #7207 (ISO) » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:48 am

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In post 7202, DragonEater70 wrote: Naerys please unvote shadow
UNVOTE: shadow
*sigh* this is the lim i am going for today, though
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Post Post #7208 (ISO) » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:48 am

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In post 7200, Naerys wrote: They interacted with them without any hesitation. While you were mentioned only few times, which is curious.
I'd be careful with those stones you're throwing. You're not currently in my top SR, but your reasoning is becoming pretty thin
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Post Post #7209 (ISO) » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:49 am

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In post 7208, shaddowez wrote:
In post 7200, Naerys wrote: They interacted with them without any hesitation. While you were mentioned only few times, which is curious.
I'd be careful with those stones you're throwing. You're not currently in my top SR, but your reasoning is becoming pretty thin
This doesnt add any townie points either.
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Post Post #7210 (ISO) » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:49 am

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In post 7205, pisskop wrote: we do have all day lol
Well then I will continue with my wallpost

I just want someone to unvote precisely because we have all day and I'm worried about a hammer.

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In post 7207, Naerys wrote: UNVOTE: shadow
*sigh* this is the lim i am going for today, though
Thanks you can be locktown for today :D
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Post Post #7211 (ISO) » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:49 am

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I know this is bad timing, but keep in mind it is end of Friday for me here. My one son has a soccer game tomorrow, and the other has a dance performance, then we have a cub scout hike and family photos on Sunday. Going into my standard weekend V/LA, and will likely not be on much if at all until Monday morning.
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Post Post #7212 (ISO) » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:50 am

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@Mod
- Weekend V/LA until Monday.
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Post Post #7213 (ISO) » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:51 am

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The true scumclaim is having a family.
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Post Post #7214 (ISO) » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:52 am

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In post 7211, shaddowez wrote: I know this is bad timing, but keep in mind it is end of Friday for me here. My one son has a soccer game tomorrow, and the other has a dance performance, then we have a cub scout hike and family photos on Sunday. Going into my standard weekend V/LA, and will likely not be on much if at all until Monday morning.
I hope your children will do well.
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Post Post #7215 (ISO) » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:54 am

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Right, I dont think focusing on one scum over another is necessarily a bad thing. Especially if youre working with association tells.

I dont think pure VCA or pure interactions is the way to go though. We've been using VCA all game even as I tried to downplay it early on. And using interactions is the same fallacy as effort=alignment. Any reasonable competent scum shouldnt be afraid of interactions. I'd look for unsolicited opinions, jokes, and 'impromptu' discussions about small details as tells between 2 comfortable partners.
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Post Post #7216 (ISO) » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:55 am

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That said, all of the flipped scum with the exception of CSF seemed very lurky until they got pressured
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Post Post #7217 (ISO) » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:56 am

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So while It's unfair to say 'random and snivy dont look scum' its completely fine to say 'they dont look like red or blue colored scum.

Perhaps we should pick a color and burn it?
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Post Post #7218 (ISO) » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:56 am

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Maybe we should come out with POEs for the colored scum?
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Post Post #7219 (ISO) » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:57 am

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I am curious what dragon will post
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Post Post #7220 (ISO) » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:58 am

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Okay so first of all

My reads at end of Day 5 (disregarding Enchant's scum claim), were:

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Nurse, TL, Naerys

Weak TR:
the worst, shadowez

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Enchant, pisskop, camelCasedSnivy

Blue scum: Gob

Red scum: Dave

Both my scumreads (and one of my townreads) were correct but I'm missing 2 scum. Now let's look at some VCA and see if I get anything out of it.

First off, Enchant did some excellent VCA work and caught themself voting with their team. I'll get back to this later, but I actually noticed this before Enchant pointed it out.

Okay but seriously, I should probably look at shadow since you are all voting him. I'd say I got pretty townie vibes from most of his posts today except for the RN vote which is a bit ???
OTOH I agree with Naerys that the vote on him looks bad.
Ughhh let me do a VCA on this quickly
Okay so VCA says this:
I agree with Naerys that it's a bit weird that in Day 1 and Day 2 he just doesn't vote for major wagons. However on Day 3 he does vote on a major wagon (STD) and while I don't love the votes, I don't hate them either. The way he moved to Snivy doesn't feel super scummy either.
Day 4 - I can see CSF vote being a bus vote.
Day 5 - I don't think he's aligned with Dave

So basically shadow remains a blue scum candidate and remains not a red scum. Let's see if I can either find any better blue scum candidates or not, which would either make him less or more likely to be scum.
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Post Post #7221 (ISO) » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:59 am

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This is like half of what I wanted to post though
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Post Post #7222 (ISO) » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:59 am

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Post Post #7223 (ISO) » Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:19 am

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We have 8 players. 2 evil. I assumed it's 3vs3 teams so yeah.

So we elim one evil. One shot happens (no i don't care about 4maf theories)

that's 5vs1. Two chances.


If we elim town. Two shots happen (they may or may not crosskill or kill each other. Assume they both hit town for now).
That's 3vs2. One chance to elim (one wasted previous day), but if we get it wrong, mafia can still kill each other. Also not needed to skip elimination. Unless RN is bulletproof scum who never dies and it turns game in boring kingmaker unless one team has strongman unless mod is bastard unless....


So naturally, killing town is MORE benefiting this day, because we need to skip elimination if we guess correctly today to get at odds and mafia loses chance to kill each other.
Let's just police me so i go to chill, considering you all hate my guts and will side against me in elo, that would make sense. Or you can kill RN, if scum good, if town not big lose.
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Post Post #7224 (ISO) » Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:20 am

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can you fucking not today
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