Guns & Roses VI [Game Over]

[Taly]

theta

, do you have any confident reads?

not really no

i am wondering if scum went all rose specifically to set up this situation but that does seem a bit bold

I feel like all my necessary thoughts on this reality is summed up by 411

what about weak, washy reads? any thought aside from setup?

[Alisae]

okay fair thank you for making an explanation i can somewhat agree with

it's also not crazy to go kill enchant -> I shoot Wheme.
That's genuinely sounds good to me.

[Taly]

what's your case for

wheme

ali

?

[Alisae]

Theta Alpine - I lean town
Dunnstral - I lean town
The Bulge - No read
SirCakez - town
Titus - No Read
Malakittens - town
Taly - No Read
WhemeStar - I want to flip it.
Aristeia - Town
Gamma Emerald - Town
Enchant - I want to flip it.
Celebloki - Probably posting from a town!motivated place.
mfeathers - I lean town

[Alisae]

what's your case for

wheme

ali

?

my case is that it doesn't matter because I'm shooting them at night

[Taly]

why should i trust that

[Theta Alpine]

i tend not to be good at early game reads

but hmm

aristeia i have
been suspicious of their convictions in requesting a massclaim
this is frankly just not a setup where an early massclaim is a good idea i think
but not sure if that is scum motivated or not

i should probably look at the previous times this setup was run though and see what got figured out then

enchant i am
not sure about i usually do not try to read them early on

wheme i am pretty sure is meming with their claim

[Alisae]

massclaim doesn't matter anymore

[Alisae]

no way in hell does the last gun ever actually say they have a gun.

3 gun claims from today alone is enough

[Taly]

i guess there is a benefit to effectively pushing this into a mountainous game?

[Taly]

this doesnt feel like

ali

powerwolfing, so im gonna townbin e

[Alisae]

why should i trust that

I don't care if you do or not.
Wheme is dying Night 1.

[Taly]

S-tier silver tongue

[Alisae]

If Wheme doesn't die N1 it's because they're a N1 rose.

[Alisae]

maybe if Wheme changes his claim to N1 Rose I'll shoot elsewhere

[Taly]

the thing is, i can get behind

enchant

flip, but im not convinced

wheme/enchant

are partners, so thats my hangup with your plan

which, ik i cannot stop you, but its a good idea that we are on the same page here.

[Alisae]

the thing is, i can get behind

enchant

flip, but im not convinced

wheme/enchant

are partners, so thats my hangup with your plan

which, ik i cannot stop you, but its a good idea that we are on the same page here.

they both get flipped regardless.
I have to get flipped at some point as well unless people want to bet the game on me being town.
No one that is a gun ever gets to stay alive in this game.
Too much incentive for mafia to want to pick up guns in this setup and all mafia are roses then they deserve to be rewarded for that decision.
As mafia you don't just throw away the chance at an extra kill. That's just something you don't do.

[Taly]

thats fair, but why not utilize town gatekeeping a shot?

are you saying thats pointless?

[Alisae]

Well I know I'm town and unless people suddenly decide that they wanna kill me, I will get a town!motivated shot tonight.
For me it is +winrate to opt to go out of my way for me to make sure that enchant and wheme's shots don't resolve. They're not doing anything that is distinctly townie and there are a bunch of other players that are responding to events in ways that I feel are townie. It just makes sense from my pov to opt to flip those 2 slots and not resolve their shots

[Taly]

That is true. Unless something changes,

Wheme/Enchant

are some of the most optimal slots to shoot based off advised strategy.

Why do you townread

Dunn

and

Cakez

?

[Theta Alpine]

see the thing is

this is a game where scum knows town will likely have guns as well

and not dying as scum is actually more valuable then one extra kill usually especially when town vig shots will also be hitting town sometimes to compensate

[Alisae]

That is true. Unless something changes,

Wheme/Enchant

are some of the most optimal slots to shoot based off advised strategy.

Why do you townread

Dunn

and

Cakez

?

Dunn is gut with how they responded to some people but it's something that can be wrong.
Cakez I feel a bit more confident in. I don't have any problems with how they have engaged with this game. I'm probably not going to revisit it until much later.

[Taly]

VOTE: Enchant

[Alisae]

see the thing is

this is a game where scum knows town will likely have guns as well

and not dying as scum is actually more valuable then one extra kill usually especially when town vig shots will also be hitting town sometimes to compensate

The BP is very situational and very narrow where as a gun is something you will always get value out of. Not to mention guns just provide more dopamine than roses so you will have players just do it for the dopamine. It happens more often than you think in some card games.

[Theta Alpine]

see the thing is

this is a game where scum knows town will likely have guns as well

and not dying as scum is actually more valuable then one extra kill usually especially when town vig shots will also be hitting town sometimes to compensate

The BP is very situational and very narrow where as a gun is something you will always get value out of. Not to mention guns just provide more dopamine than roses so you will have players just do it for the dopamine. It happens more often than you think in some card games.

except there are also roses

so that gun will not always be providing value

and also

the dopamine thing is also easier to suppress when you have teammates potentially able to come up with a more solid plan
the fact we only have four guns suggests to me it was likely just mostly town