i am wondering if scum went all rose specifically to set up this situation but that does seem a bit bold
I feel like all my necessary thoughts on this reality is summed up by 411
what about weak, washy reads? any thought aside from setup?
"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage
"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage
Theta Alpine - I lean town
Dunnstral - I lean town
The Bulge - No read
SirCakez - town
Titus - No Read
Malakittens - town
Taly - No Read
WhemeStar - I want to flip it.
Aristeia - Town
Gamma Emerald - Town
Enchant - I want to flip it.
Celebloki - Probably posting from a town!motivated place.
mfeathers - I lean town
"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage
aristeia i have
been suspicious of their convictions in requesting a massclaim
this is frankly just not a setup where an early massclaim is a good idea i think
but not sure if that is scum motivated or not
i should probably look at the previous times this setup was run though and see what got figured out then
enchant i am
not sure about i usually do not try to read them early on
wheme i am pretty sure is meming with their claim
alter of rautherdir
as town won 5 games | lost 6 games | mislimd 3 times | dayvigged once | nightkilled 3 times | vengekilled once | survived 3 times
as scum won 5 games | lost 1 game | eliminated twice | dayvigged once | vigged once | survived once | perfect scum victory once
and if you count large normal 204 then i won that game after replacing out as scum
i guess there is a benefit to effectively pushing this into a mountainous game?
"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage
"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage
"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage
which, ik i cannot stop you, but its a good idea that we are on the same page here.
"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage
which, ik i cannot stop you, but its a good idea that we are on the same page here.
they both get flipped regardless.
I have to get flipped at some point as well unless people want to bet the game on me being town.
No one that is a gun ever gets to stay alive in this game.
Too much incentive for mafia to want to pick up guns in this setup and all mafia are roses then they deserve to be rewarded for that decision.
As mafia you don't just throw away the chance at an extra kill. That's just something you don't do.
thats fair, but why not utilize town gatekeeping a shot?
are you saying thats pointless?
"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage
Well I know I'm town and unless people suddenly decide that they wanna kill me, I will get a town!motivated shot tonight.
For me it is +winrate to opt to go out of my way for me to make sure that enchant and wheme's shots don't resolve. They're not doing anything that is distinctly townie and there are a bunch of other players that are responding to events in ways that I feel are townie. It just makes sense from my pov to opt to flip those 2 slots and not resolve their shots
are some of the most optimal slots to shoot based off advised strategy.
Why do you townread
Dunn
and
Cakez
?
"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage
this is a game where scum knows town will likely have guns as well
and not dying as scum is actually more valuable then one extra kill usually especially when town vig shots will also be hitting town sometimes to compensate
alter of rautherdir
as town won 5 games | lost 6 games | mislimd 3 times | dayvigged once | nightkilled 3 times | vengekilled once | survived 3 times
as scum won 5 games | lost 1 game | eliminated twice | dayvigged once | vigged once | survived once | perfect scum victory once
and if you count large normal 204 then i won that game after replacing out as scum
In post 469, Taly wrote:
That is true. Unless something changes,
Wheme/Enchant
are some of the most optimal slots to shoot based off advised strategy.
Why do you townread
Dunn
and
Cakez
?
Dunn is gut with how they responded to some people but it's something that can be wrong.
Cakez I feel a bit more confident in. I don't have any problems with how they have engaged with this game. I'm probably not going to revisit it until much later.
"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage
this is a game where scum knows town will likely have guns as well
and not dying as scum is actually more valuable then one extra kill usually especially when town vig shots will also be hitting town sometimes to compensate
The BP is very situational and very narrow where as a gun is something you will always get value out of. Not to mention guns just provide more dopamine than roses so you will have players just do it for the dopamine. It happens more often than you think in some card games.
this is a game where scum knows town will likely have guns as well
and not dying as scum is actually more valuable then one extra kill usually especially when town vig shots will also be hitting town sometimes to compensate
The BP is very situational and very narrow where as a gun is something you will always get value out of. Not to mention guns just provide more dopamine than roses so you will have players just do it for the dopamine. It happens more often than you think in some card games.
except there are also roses
so that gun will not always be providing value
and also
the dopamine thing is also easier to suppress when you have teammates potentially able to come up with a more solid plan
the fact we only have four guns suggests to me it was likely just mostly town
alter of rautherdir
as town won 5 games | lost 6 games | mislimd 3 times | dayvigged once | nightkilled 3 times | vengekilled once | survived 3 times
as scum won 5 games | lost 1 game | eliminated twice | dayvigged once | vigged once | survived once | perfect scum victory once
and if you count large normal 204 then i won that game after replacing out as scum