Open 891: STDBINSBICACOT (Game Over)

[Ausuka]

Votecount 1.2

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to eliminate. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-11-09 14:36:08).

Votecount

davesaz (2)

- Dannflor, gob

Roden (2)

- Black, Titus

Black (1)

- Doctor Drew

Dannflor (1)

- davesaz

Dunnstral (1)

- pisskop

Hero at Heart (1)

- Alisae

pisskop (1)

- Roden

Titus (1)

- shaddowez

Not Voting (3)

- Dunnstral, Hero at Heart, Something_Smart

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[davesaz]

davesaz is the only slot that has posted so far that i feel is greater than rand to be scum

This is an example of what gob thinks is scum indicative -- giving a reason that isn't actually a reason.

i think dunnstral's opening was very easy to hop on and you did so without actually digging into what was alignment indicative about it

you just kinda shouted "gross" and voted dunn which feels a little performative and not like you actually care about what dunn's alignment is or showing other people what dunn's alignment might be

Using pregame replacement spec is scummy, full stop.

[Black]

Are you ignoring my question or did you just miss it

[davesaz]

davesaz is the only slot that has posted so far that i feel is greater than rand to be scum

This is an example of what gob thinks is scum indicative -- giving a reason that isn't actually a reason.

I'm having such a hard time parsing this post. Who's giving a reason that isn't actually a reason? Do you agree with gob or disagree?

Dannflor gave a "reason" (greater than rand to be scum) that isn't an actual reason.
Gob seems to think that doing this is scummy.
Not sure how this didn't connect.

[davesaz]

Are you ignoring my question or did you just miss it

Who are you asking?

[Black]

Are you ignoring my question or did you just miss it

Who are you asking?

You

[davesaz]

I think Dunn's post comes from scum, and thought it was clear I think that from my vote post.

VOTE: Dannflor

Do you think Dann is scummier than Dunn?

Equal-ish, at this stage of the game. It's like 1 point each against being town.

[davesaz]

davesaz is the only slot that has posted so far that i feel is greater than rand to be scum

This is an example of what gob thinks is scum indicative -- giving a reason that isn't actually a reason.

i think dunnstral's opening was very easy to hop on and you did so without actually digging into what was alignment indicative about it

you just kinda shouted "gross" and voted dunn which feels a little performative and not like you actually care about what dunn's alignment is or showing other people what dunn's alignment might be

It was a snap judgement on pedit. I had a RVS actually typed in, which I alluded to in the post itself.

[Black]

Talk to me about why you think Dannflor is scum

[davesaz]

Read 178.

[shaddowez]

I may be missing something, but why is so much time being spent by dave on what gob considers scummy? I'm finally trying to catch back up, but I'm just confused by this

[Dannflor]

davesaz is the only slot that has posted so far that i feel is greater than rand to be scum

This is an example of what gob thinks is scum indicative -- giving a reason that isn't actually a reason.

i think dunnstral's opening was very easy to hop on and you did so without actually digging into what was alignment indicative about it

you just kinda shouted "gross" and voted dunn which feels a little performative and not like you actually care about what dunn's alignment is or showing other people what dunn's alignment might be

Using pregame replacement spec is scummy, full stop.

can you elucidate why you think this is something more likely to come from a red role pm rather than a green role pm?

"using pregame replacement spec is scummy" is actually something that requires some elaboration and I'd like to see some depth of thought here because it looked like to me dunnstral was trying to drive the game forward, and while I think he could've entered the game with that analysis as scum there is nothing that indicates to me that was more likely to be the case

[davesaz]

He

might

earn a couple points for 173.
I would have to re-read Dunnstral's further posts.

This early (less than 200) it's utterly necessary to pick at

something

to see what falls out. I happen to be the one picking this time.

pedit: To illustrate a point. The point being that "sorting" me by saying I commented in a RVS vote that wasn't RVS is laughable at best.

[pisskop]

We're off to a bit of a slow start here, but we are going

VOTE: unvote

I didnt feel strongly about his first comment either way, I do like daves level of engagement though

[davesaz]

davesaz is the only slot that has posted so far that i feel is greater than rand to be scum

This is an example of what gob thinks is scum indicative -- giving a reason that isn't actually a reason.

i think dunnstral's opening was very easy to hop on and you did so without actually digging into what was alignment indicative about it

you just kinda shouted "gross" and voted dunn which feels a little performative and not like you actually care about what dunn's alignment is or showing other people what dunn's alignment might be

Using pregame replacement spec is scummy, full stop.

can you elucidate why you think this is something more likely to come from a red role pm rather than a green role pm?

"using pregame replacement spec is scummy" is actually something that requires some elaboration and I'd like to see some depth of thought here because it looked like to me dunnstral was trying to drive the game forward, and while I think he could've entered the game with that analysis as scum there is nothing that indicates to me that was more likely to be the case

Town need to

not

eliminate people from consideration. I read that post (and any inquiry along those lines) as "here are a couple people we really don't need to pay attention to". Or if you flip it along the lines of replacement being likely scum who didn't want to be, then the same inquiry yields people who get more attention than necessary. I see both approaches to be anti-town. Being open minded is town's biggest weapon. Too closed minded and you ignore edge cases that end up losing games.

[shaddowez]

Titus's reasoning here doesn't really feel pure. The only way I could question if there are enough points for a legit Cop claim would be if I were a 2 point PR myself and assumed the scum took no abilities. The reason for voting me doesn't check out

Titus vote hopped like 4 times in her first 10ish posts, I'm pretty sure most of it was RVS-like. Do you actually think she's scummy for anything specific, or is this just shade?

Not liking Roden here.

I wasn't either until this.....Roden's interactions with pisskop felt strange, but not forced. As I was reading my initial thought was "I don't like this", then it gets kinda dropped and gamestate changed. He also disappeared, but I did today too so I have not stones to throw.

Titus just sidestepped the whole thing. which isnt terribly indicative either way.

What did Titus sidestep? That would pique my interest if I can find it.

I'm pretty sure this was regarding the confspec discussion, she came in and posted about something completely different.

P-Edit:

Got it, that makes more sense in context.

[shaddowez]

I didn't finish my thought process on Roden....gob's entrance was weird, and then doesn't actually vote Roden but keeps a sheep vote. That felt more like a "Hey, pay attention over there, not over here!" like post.

[davesaz]

@pisskop Thanks for noticing. I can't promise to drive town, my RL is so highly variable that the time may just not be there. We're just lucky that this week's noon meeting is one that my name hasn't been mentioned so I haven't had to panic search for the unmute button this hour.

[Something_Smart]

Not sure how this didn't connect.

The part that didn't connect is that Dann clearly isn't claiming to give a reason there. "Greater than rand to be scum" is just the predicate of the sentence; there's no "because" or anything.

[shaddowez]

Happy Scumversary Alisae! Now please come back and explain why you voted the replacement slot

[shaddowez]

It was brief, but something's rubbing me the wrong way regarding the Titus/gob interaction around 115.


Unrelatedly:

Happy to see shaddowez is back, btw. I think it's been literally seven years since we've played together.

Late response, but thank you! Yep, I was off-site for a little over 7 years I think.

[Black]

Read 178.

What? That doesn't explain your Dann scumread at all

[Black]

Titus vote hopped like 4 times in her first 10ish posts, I'm pretty sure most of it was RVS-like. Do you actually think she's scummy for anything specific, or is this just shade?

At the time I didn't like Titus implying that I was informed about the point distribution and I wanted to hear her go into detail about that

[Dunnstral]

davesaz what are you talking about with what gob thinks? Why bring up gob at all?

[davesaz]

Read 178.

What? That doesn't explain your Dann scumread at all

At the point in time I voted Dann

the only "reason" that Dann had given for voting me was "greater than rand scum" with no further explanation.