Mini Normal 2314 - The Mafia Have a Cop [END]

[Flavor Leaf]

it's possible I am right about Dann/Bulge team, and I am being setup with to look like I bussed both Dann and Marcistar.

And with that, you know what, I'm okay with it.

Let's kill Dann, if they flip scum, and you need to kill me after, I can die happy knowing I dunked on 2 scum, 3 scum if Titus slot ends up being scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

And like, if Dann flips town, i have like no other team possibilities anyways that could be pushed, and have to think i actively saved Dann.

so yeah, im happy flipping Dann if yall good with that.

[Firebringer]

fire, if you're scum, why aren't you going for misfades?

according to u Una is a misfade so.....

[Firebringer]

why does Fire, as scum, not go for any of the wagons that get presented?

expressed interest/scumreads, no?

intuition: still townread bulges play,, effort not high but thought processes are sound, thought the same as them, often
vanilla claim at the time, good

jackson did a scum catchup

VOTE: jackson

so true,, and call out first post? fire!anti-partner unlikely
dan!anti-partner too, source: whole iso
if wrong, so sorry, but I’m fighting to save them)

intuition: fl’s play is annoying, but, can’t deny, towny,, hesitation in going for dan today, throughout game,, very tinfoil, they’re scum unwilling to bus before and for today,, was Marci a sacrifice? to test the theory, we go dan

fire also doesn’t go dan, una instead,, partner reads show dan as scum

maybe VOTE: dann better

i understood about 30% of this post

[Firebringer]

also hi Titus

[Flavor Leaf]

interest

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: still townread bul

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es play,, effort not high but thought processes are sound, thought the same as them, often
vanilla claim at the time, good

fl’s play

is annoying, but,

can’t deny, town

y,, hesitation in going for dan today,

throughout game,, very

tinfoil, they’re scum unwilling to bus before and for today,, was

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a instead,, partner reads show dan as scum

maybe better

KED

i understood it all, 100%

[Titus]

What's Drew's stance on Dann?

[Flavor Leaf]

Mason
Mason
Vanilla
Vanilla
Mailman
Backup Mailman
Neighbor
Informed N1 PT Cop N2 Traitor Finder Neighbor
Loyal Babysitter


Town Vanilla
Town Vanilla
Town Vanilla

Scum Disloyal Neighborizer


Setup wise, I do think we kinda need Masons.

Firebringer and Drew's claims are the absolute worst ones.

On a setup level, I think it makes sense for one scum to be within the Loyal Babysit + Informed N1 PT Cop N2 Traitor Finder Neighbor. Loyal is easier, and we already had a Disloyal role flip, so it would make sense to be on Dann's mind to claim. While I like the idea of Loyal Babysit, it makes sense in other setup's not necessarily this one.

I think 2nd scum is Backup Mailman-Neighbor-Vanilla. Knowing it's not me, Titus is only other Vanilla, FB is BUP MM, and Geraint is Neighbor. Geraint, idk, i have a hard time seeing them as scum, and same with Firebringer.

I think it's just Titus-Dann Occam's Razor.

[Flavor Leaf]

Since it’s going over people’s heads, and they ain’t clicking the link, I’ll explain.
I joke claimed Miller based on a recent game, with players in this game and our mod, I claimed Miller first post.

Yeh i dont like this. Firstly it doesnt look like a joke claim. Nothing obviously a joke about it. Not even a reference or a emoji or anything.
Second you didnt make it in your first post, you went back to say "oh btw miller". And not like a minute or two later but hours later. I feel like if it were a joke, you might have not botthered to go back to it if the moment was lost.
Also lastly I specifically asked what the nuance was, I was asking how is your current claim different than what you said in another game.
The answer by the looks of it should have been "this isnt a claim" but you didnt respond.

So yeh i'm not taking this as a joke claim.

Also, the logic y’all trying to push is a town misplay but it’s being shifted like a scummy thing.

It really isnt. Sure it can be town misplay but it absolutely can be scum too.

Wheres the rule that states theres only one cop? Claiming miller, and early which is the norm, can mean if there is a town cop that they dont waste their time and also can plant the seed which could keep you alive longer should there be a wagon.

You were the first to bring up the thought of their being a traitor also, so i feel if you were miller the question of "should claim miller immediatly" should have been questioned. Especailly hours prior to the claim.

All in all im getting scummy vibes from all this.

also, to think it's ever me and Dann together, you gotta think this is Scum/Scum lol

[Flavor Leaf]

All indicative of Dann scum with Marci imo.

Spoiler:

jackson do you feel like engaging with marci about her read on you is the best use of your time

Why wouldn't it be?

1. we're not eliminating marci today
2. she's probably town
3. it's not like marci is about to lead an elimination on you

i just don't feel like sorting marci is an urgent thing that needs to happen today and i'd be more interested in hearing your thoughts on other slots

i think it's best to say that marci is probably town for today for *reasons*

meh

I was just hoping that if we all agreed marci was pretty much just town scum would be incentivized to just kill her tonight

but that's probably not happening this game with players like jjh or FL who are also probably town

marci counts as someone tough to read for me personally

[Titus]

FL, why does your setup analysis not seem to account for Drew's "lacks PT" on Dann?

[Flavor Leaf]

FL, why does your setup analysis not seem to account for Drew's "lacks PT" on Dann?

if drew is town, there is a confirmed Traitor in the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

do you find it weird that a Traitor Finder is Informed of there being a Traitor in the game, Titus, or is that redundant?

[Flavor Leaf]

I have also been considering Drew/Dann as a team if not Bulge/Dann, Bulge/Drew. I dont think it's Bulge/Drew at this point anyways.

[Titus]

FL, why does your setup analysis not seem to account for Drew's "lacks PT" on Dann?

if drew is town, there is a confirmed Traitor in the game.

Yes, but a no PT result means Dann must precisely be the traitor. Scum wouldn't necessarily know he was the traitor which would be different.

Why wouldn't you straight up come at me who could be any scum over Dann who must precisely be a traitor if scum at all

[Flavor Leaf]

FL, why does your setup analysis not seem to account for Drew's "lacks PT" on Dann?

if drew is town, there is a confirmed Traitor in the game.

Yes, but a no PT result means Dann must precisely be the traitor. Scum wouldn't necessarily know he was the traitor which would be different.

Why wouldn't you straight up come at me who could be any scum over Dann who must precisely be a traitor if scum at all

cuz i would rather hit a scum and confirm the masons than risk one im not as sure on

[Firebringer]

I don't even know what dann is doing

do you want to talk with me about what I'm doing?

I know you're busy but that feels dismissive

I still want una elimmed and think his jump on nono is scummy even saying ohh im bored so im cool with it.

I'd love to hear more about una

I just feel una has been like transparently obvious town this game and while I don't love the hop on nono it's not exactly the most damning thing to me

i think the way una has handled his role and day play don't connect and the way willing to vote nono was scummy.

But yes lets talk soon because ive honestly not been reading ur posts that heavily and found u arguing with flavor to be a brain turn off moment for me.

[Flavor Leaf]

i spent the majority of this day avoiding going onto Dann.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL, why does your setup analysis not seem to account for Drew's "lacks PT" on Dann?

if drew is town, there is a confirmed Traitor in the game.

Yes, but a no PT result means Dann must precisely be the traitor. Scum wouldn't necessarily know he was the traitor which would be different.

Why wouldn't you straight up come at me who could be any scum over Dann who must precisely be a traitor if scum at all

and considering my other suspect other than you is Drew, means traitor might not even exist this game if Drew is lying, which I think is still one of the more obvious parts of this game.

[Dannflor]

UNVOTE:

[Firebringer]

Firebringer and Drew's claims are the absolute worst ones.

Wow u put me in the same group as Drew. I can't believe u. Unfriended.

[Firebringer]

i think drew role is much more townier than mine

[Dannflor]

VOTE: titus

[Flavor Leaf]

Firebringer and Drew's claims are the absolute worst ones.

Wow u put me in the same group as Drew. I can't believe u. Unfriended.

you having a bad claim is another reason i think you're town

[Doctor Drew]

What's Drew's stance on Dann?

Didn't like them when they subbed in, the played townie(hence why I PT checked them). So they can be traitor, but would rather hunt group scum.

Pre Edit: ALLIANCE OFFICIALY OVER FIRE!! NEVER AGAIN!!!!