Toriel's Patience (end)

[Keyleth]

Dannflor
Aristeia was replaced by Random Nurse
Lazy Shirou
Brown Eyes
Alisae
implosion
beeboy

Kind of tempted to remove Beeboy from POE though

VOTE: Freedom

Also, you've been in the hot seat for a lot of the day, sorry if you've said this already but have you noticed any differences in the way people have wanted to vote, and or push you? Wolfy or towny?

Not sure exactly what you’re asking here? Can you reformulate

Sorry! I know my thoughts can come out a jumbled mess let me try again.

I think it's safe to say that you've probably been the most at risk for elim along with beeboy. If you're a villager, you have a much better view of the gamestate than us. Have you tried to differentiate the pushes against you? What ones seem in good faith vs the ones that don't?

You also townread beeboy, correct? Have you noticed anything off there as well?

[Taly]

[Dannflor]

I don't like Implo's posts regarding an expectation to be townread.

why

i think this type of posting comes from town a lot

[Dannflor]

also

VOTE: alisae

I'd just like to kill alisae now

[Taly]

Dunn

please look at 1877 about my townread of

beeboy

I don't like Implo's posts regarding an expectation to be townread.

why

i think this type of posting comes from town a lot

Does it? Because my memory says no

[Dannflor]

brown eyes might be town simply due to the number of people slotting her as town

[Dannflor]

i think the specific attitude of implosion's posting is like... empirically more likely to come from town

but agree to disagree or whatever

[Dannflor]

Keyleth who in the game has earned the least points for Gryffindor for you so far

[Taly]

You could describe that in more detail because I'm unsure what you're seeing

[Dannflor]

Spoiler:

This is interesting because in response to you saying I've done nothing town indicative my read on Brown Eyes was the main tangible thing I could think of that I think I probably wouldn't have done as scum.

I actually genuinely think that as scum there's a chance I would have gone and double checked who was on the wagon before posting that point. I'm usually a lot more willing to just hit the submit button without double checking anything as town. It's something I try to do as scum just because I often do it as town but yeah me missing these posts is indicative of me having finally felt like wanting to catch up into the game and trying to digest however many pages I needed to in a reasonable amount of time.

As fair as this is from you, I think it is eminently possible to have a correct townread on me right now. Just because you just saw me play a good game as scum, doesn't mean it isn't possible for someone to quickly identify me as town.

I just know that I'm not so masterful a scum player that I could have emulated everything I've done in this game so far.

I have just experienced over and over again that when scum get pressured on this point "should ppl be town reading you or not" they are overwhelmingly more likely to respond with "probably no" or "I'm still in my scum range" or "people probably shouldn't be town reading me" or some similar explanation

it's something that I've seen time and time again from scum and quite a bit less often from town who know they are town and believe their earnestness and genuine towniness should be shining through. whereas scum just naturally assume it looks townier to be like "oh yeah i have a big scum range you probably shouldn't be town reading me." it's some kind of reverse psychology

this is not to say that scum never demand to be town read, they do. you have to consider context and personality. but I think these specific quotes from implosion have an expectant tone that I think is towny. I think scum!implosion would have a far more realistic view of his own slot and be less likely to voice the expectation that people should be able to accurately town read him for what he's posted in this game. I think it's far more likely for scum!implosion to be like "yeah understandable but I am town here" rather than argue tiny specific points about why he wouldn't do X as scum that literally no one cares about or can prove verifiable except for implosion himself

it just seems like a town perspective from him imo

[Taly]

I like the way you're thinking here

[Taly]

I'm very interested in your

Meuh

read

[Taly]

*trying to have real-time interactions with dann and waffling 1000x as im waiting a response*

[Dannflor]

I have not hated Meuh's most recent posting in terms of analyzing the replacements

she feels pretty relaxed and natural, but I also do not think this type of posting is especially hard to fake for her


I still mostly just don't think that the amount of effort that went into her case on implosion matches the kind of understated read in 1354 and 1355

like it's not clear to me why meuh's read on implosion suddenly requires a giant case wall

yes people asked her for reasons but when people ask me for reasons i usually engage with them like one or two reasons at a time, i don't start dissecting their ISO

so it feels kind of performative and it doesn't fit with my model of how a town player would be approaching a read like that

[Dannflor]

that being said i could be wrong and i think alisae is just scummier

[Ydrasse]

yeah i can see alisae as wolf i think

i think that it’s a bizarre choice to make one post that explains your scumread in what i think is a tepid manner (“over explainy, technically fine but”) and then follow it up immediately with “but they were screaming wolf at me earlier” without that proof provided when it would be a more compelling case

[Taly]

I think I'd become more confident in my perception of the game if I took a day off.

[Taly]

Hyperposting waffle is not the most productive version of

Taly

[Taly]

Plus I feel like I initiate so much and wish people initiated with me

[Dannflor]

i think 1849 was the rest of ali's case

which

i just simply do not believe ali thinks im scum

[Taly]

:/

[Ydrasse]

i don’t get screaming wolf from that

[Dannflor]

taly im sorry if you're sad facing at me but i feel i have tried to engage with you before and ask you for more detail on certain reads and it has not been productive for me

[Ydrasse]

i don’t really know what i would initiate on atm without more context of the game

[Taly]

taly im sorry if you're sad facing at me but i feel i have tried to engage with you before and ask you for more detail on certain reads and it has not been productive for me

the gamestate has changed, i might have different responses