Guns & Roses VI [Game Over]

[Alisae]

ugggggggh fiiiiiiiiiiine

[Aristeia]

im bored what else r we going to do <3

[Alisae]

gun to head I think their progression on Dunn is fine

[Alisae]

I wouldn't kill it today

[Taly]

My ISO explained my scumread on

pisskop

[Taly]

You still haven't answered me on

Red

:/

[Taly]

I wouldn't kill it today

This is discouraging

[Taly]

like, i dont follow how bussing only happens from gun to rose here

and how we caught dunn while scum were just sitting content with wheme/enchant

or the relationship to pissko

the point of bussing is to gain thread influence by getting rid of a teammate and making your own position stronger. If the scum team wants to bus, they don't want to bus a gun because a gun can shoot at night and get rid of a town.

if you want to bus a gun, you would do it after your gun has fired.

I don't think the scum team decided to bus dunnstral because if they did Bulge wouldn't be fighting me, he would be bussing Dunnstral. I also don't think it makes sense to bus Dunnstral before he gets his shot off. Scum are usually pretty careful about their optics on bussing - which is why I don't think any of the early voters on Dunnstral are mafia.

I think Dunnstral felt pretty comfortable coming in and posting like one post on nothing really important because there was no threat to mafia, he didnt feel the need to join the enchant wagon.

I don't think pisskop is mafia because he was an early voter of dunnstral. I don't even understand what the scum case on pisskop even is atp.

Ok that's a more clear picture in a

Wheme/Enchant

TvT world.

[pisskop]

lol if it is taly itd be an impressive effort by him today.though his sr on me did kind of start after cakez omgused

[Aristeia]

You still haven't answered me on

Red

:/

i posted my reasoning on theta on this page

viewtopic.php?t=91817&start=1575

[Aristeia]

Spoiler: ISO

Good shooting, space cowboys

celeblocki took that vig like champ too

I do think at least 1 maf took a gun, so isnt the pool basically enchant/wheme/whoever defended bulge?

I dont know if maf needs to take a night 1 gun.

Ok so my reads were mostly garbage

There is a big difference between both of their opening D2 posts.

pisskop

is positing on how we PoE (which both options are based on D1 entirely), and some fluffy comment about mafia not needing N1 gun? this feels out of place because it is factually incorrect with

Dunn

cakez

is having a hangover over being wrong

Do you think last mafia would bother defending Bulge/Dunn or would they accept that its a lost cause and hide in the masses?

A question with an answer I'd like to have heard

pissko

say.

I feel like he was being scumread bc he picked rose, which if you are going to nitpick me over semantics its interchangable being being scum read bc he didnt pick gun.

no.

Their takes arent special or proactive, but theyve been largely on point and consistent with the years old meta I have of them

This wasn't even a D1 post so it's hard to track why this is relevant information for

pisskop

to comment on.

Theres no shame in capitulation, final scum

?

I dont get why youre getting bent out of shape over being in the POE of a game with 1 maf left on Day 2

because if someone is town they don't want to fuck with town's likely win?

Alisae has the right idea about forming a simple towncore and going down the list.

any idea on who you want?

The Bulge wasnt suss enough and dunn wasnt wagoned enough to warrent full blown bussing off the rip, imo, so the juice will be in how they distanced/defended either. Or failed to mention them at all until it was necessary.

and the relationship to the third scum?

Scum NK probably hit a N1 Rose right

yeah.

why did I think there were 4 scum

relatable and unlikely to be faked tbh

VOTE: whemestar
I'm not gonna resist the river here

this is how

cakez

pocketed me.

let's be careful and not blow our lead here
I do think we need to resolve the rest of the guns first

i thought this was the best plan at the time.

Oh Wheme was fake claiming gun? Urgh
VOTE: enchant then

ugh is right....

I dont particularly see the benefit of claiming nights or anything.

The final maf has nobody to look out for anymore other than themselves.

Doesnt matter who they shot, if there's more than 1 night1 rose its up for grabs.

Do we need to dig so deeply into the setup to find a towncore? Any sensible maf is claiming n1 rose in this instance.

What?
I didn't read this before but this is a wild take. ngl.

We had probably 2 mafia shots blocked and discussion on the theory behind it is to be shutdown?

But also, there's no counters to my claim,

Titus'

claim,

Gamma's

claim, or

Aristeia's

claim.

Oh,

Gamma

died. Okay.

Ppl I think are pretty town - Alisae, Aristeia, Taly
Kinda townish - Gamma, Titus
Ppl I'm ?? on - pisskop, Mala, Theta
Wtf - Wheme
Scummy - Enchant

pocketed

We're in an amazing spot rn, and it's pretty natural for people to default back to the unfinished business of yesterday in the absence of pressure

okay but is that a good thing?

Im okay with a cake lim

vote?

Oh Wheme was fake claiming gun? Urgh
VOTE: enchant then

No bad cakez **eats cake**

u think enchants gun claim is town?

yes and im awesome because i was correct

There's a tiny spider that could probably be more comfortably measured in pixels than millimeters webbing up and down in front of my giant monitor

everyone dies sometime

P: spider bro helps, I keep my windows open most of the year

fluff

VOTE: cakez

ok going with the flow here

I had a dream about this game and I don't rlly understand why it's not that intense lmao

I got mislimmed lmaoo
About par for the course

honestly this feels a bit brazen in a towny way

My take for today hasn't changed, still think Enchant has to go to resolve the game state. We can keep solving from there if it isn't over, the recent stomp in Defcon is making me think I shouldn't overthink this

eh okay

2 days of nothing now

Kindly stop messing around now

ummm... weren't you in favor of

enchant

via PoE or the fact of limming through D1 reads? this is a very weird stance for

pisskop

to take.

I agree Theta shouldn't go to ELO but idk if that's the right elim today

oh, restraint

VOTE: pisskop
I think I want to start here today

sure

what for?

feels like a completely random vote

idk if its random tbh

I've never had you as a read above ? and I pointed out some posts of yours I found scummy earlier. I'm trying to work on new scumread directions here, I don't feel like continuing in the same direction of Wheme, Theta, low content slots like Mala
And obviously I am not interested in eliminating myself

fair

I think the only people I really feel good about rn are Alisae, Taly and Aristeia

cakez

is busted OP

It sucks that Gamma died cuz she was one of my townreads I felt okay about
I don't really TR Titus anymore, her last two posts are literally just naked votes on me and I find it suspicious that she is seemingly uninterested in actually engaging with me or discussing any of her thoughts or arguments about me

wrong, boo,

titus

is town

but i dont think scum takes this angle if on the verge of potential elimination, its just very specific to go after another non-discussed slot

It sucks that Gamma died cuz she was one of my townreads I felt okay about
I don't really TR Titus anymore, her last two posts are literally just naked votes on me and I find it suspicious that she is seemingly uninterested in actually engaging with me or discussing any of her thoughts or arguments about me

Quick correction not her last two posts anymore but that was recent

k

do you, but its so blatantly obvious im town it just looks like youre lost

dismissal of

Cakez's

vote/scumread

I gotta get in and look at who evolved and bulge and why

Anyone remember somebody whose opinion on the bulge, and even dunnstral, changed over the day for better or worse?

We use the informed minority nature of mafia against them

a promise to an analysis that isnt here and also doesnt give much food for thought tbh

we can start with a cakez lim

there we go again

no fuck off

King shit

VOTE: cakez

why did you change your mind

fair question

I don't want to settle back to day one reads, i want to figure out who Dunn and bulge scum points to

i like this POV

See im convinced its more about how people reacted to them, not the slots themselves.

why not both?

good question, why is

pisskop

downplaying the purpose of NKA?

Dunn was largely empty.

The bulge was lessso, but still acutely under pressure for a large amount of time.

Im fairly convinced 3rd scum would have changed how they view bulge specifically.

another analysis going nowhere

Alisae and Ari are town.

My real concern is a maf partner who jumped into a heavy convo about a topic that has no relevance.

again, nothing that is stating a specific read or push

Why do you feel ignored? Youre pretty town

not why i felt ignored or why my WIM was low due to D2.

the main gist is that

Cakez

has been going with unusual takes on slots that don't protect him from elimination

and

pissko

keeps eluding to an analysis that isnt present because you cant follow how their ideas relate to their read, specifically

cakez

, and their tone to D2 and D3's flip is really odd given how they want to continue eliminating D1 suspected slots.

VOTE: pisskop

i dont get your scumread tbh. can you explain it in a simpler way for me

[Taly]

lol if it is taly itd be an impressive effort by him today.though his sr on me did kind of start after cakez omgused

i dont think

cakez

"omgusing" is an accurate characterization of what happened

[Taly]

Spoiler: ISO

Good shooting, space cowboys

celeblocki took that vig like champ too

I do think at least 1 maf took a gun, so isnt the pool basically enchant/wheme/whoever defended bulge?

I dont know if maf needs to take a night 1 gun.

Ok so my reads were mostly garbage

There is a big difference between both of their opening D2 posts.

pisskop

is positing on how we PoE (which both options are based on D1 entirely), and some fluffy comment about mafia not needing N1 gun? this feels out of place because it is factually incorrect with

Dunn

cakez

is having a hangover over being wrong

Do you think last mafia would bother defending Bulge/Dunn or would they accept that its a lost cause and hide in the masses?

A question with an answer I'd like to have heard

pissko

say.

I feel like he was being scumread bc he picked rose, which if you are going to nitpick me over semantics its interchangable being being scum read bc he didnt pick gun.

no.

Their takes arent special or proactive, but theyve been largely on point and consistent with the years old meta I have of them

This wasn't even a D1 post so it's hard to track why this is relevant information for

pisskop

to comment on.

Theres no shame in capitulation, final scum

?

I dont get why youre getting bent out of shape over being in the POE of a game with 1 maf left on Day 2

because if someone is town they don't want to fuck with town's likely win?

Alisae has the right idea about forming a simple towncore and going down the list.

any idea on who you want?

The Bulge wasnt suss enough and dunn wasnt wagoned enough to warrent full blown bussing off the rip, imo, so the juice will be in how they distanced/defended either. Or failed to mention them at all until it was necessary.

and the relationship to the third scum?

Scum NK probably hit a N1 Rose right

yeah.

why did I think there were 4 scum

relatable and unlikely to be faked tbh

VOTE: whemestar
I'm not gonna resist the river here

this is how

cakez

pocketed me.

let's be careful and not blow our lead here
I do think we need to resolve the rest of the guns first

i thought this was the best plan at the time.

Oh Wheme was fake claiming gun? Urgh
VOTE: enchant then

ugh is right....

I dont particularly see the benefit of claiming nights or anything.

The final maf has nobody to look out for anymore other than themselves.

Doesnt matter who they shot, if there's more than 1 night1 rose its up for grabs.

Do we need to dig so deeply into the setup to find a towncore? Any sensible maf is claiming n1 rose in this instance.

What?
I didn't read this before but this is a wild take. ngl.

We had probably 2 mafia shots blocked and discussion on the theory behind it is to be shutdown?

But also, there's no counters to my claim,

Titus'

claim,

Gamma's

claim, or

Aristeia's

claim.

Oh,

Gamma

died. Okay.

Ppl I think are pretty town - Alisae, Aristeia, Taly
Kinda townish - Gamma, Titus
Ppl I'm ?? on - pisskop, Mala, Theta
Wtf - Wheme
Scummy - Enchant

pocketed

We're in an amazing spot rn, and it's pretty natural for people to default back to the unfinished business of yesterday in the absence of pressure

okay but is that a good thing?

Im okay with a cake lim

vote?

Oh Wheme was fake claiming gun? Urgh
VOTE: enchant then

No bad cakez **eats cake**

u think enchants gun claim is town?

yes and im awesome because i was correct

There's a tiny spider that could probably be more comfortably measured in pixels than millimeters webbing up and down in front of my giant monitor

everyone dies sometime

P: spider bro helps, I keep my windows open most of the year

fluff

VOTE: cakez

ok going with the flow here

I had a dream about this game and I don't rlly understand why it's not that intense lmao

I got mislimmed lmaoo
About par for the course

honestly this feels a bit brazen in a towny way

My take for today hasn't changed, still think Enchant has to go to resolve the game state. We can keep solving from there if it isn't over, the recent stomp in Defcon is making me think I shouldn't overthink this

eh okay

2 days of nothing now

Kindly stop messing around now

ummm... weren't you in favor of

enchant

via PoE or the fact of limming through D1 reads? this is a very weird stance for

pisskop

to take.

I agree Theta shouldn't go to ELO but idk if that's the right elim today

oh, restraint

VOTE: pisskop
I think I want to start here today

sure

what for?

feels like a completely random vote

idk if its random tbh

I've never had you as a read above ? and I pointed out some posts of yours I found scummy earlier. I'm trying to work on new scumread directions here, I don't feel like continuing in the same direction of Wheme, Theta, low content slots like Mala
And obviously I am not interested in eliminating myself

fair

I think the only people I really feel good about rn are Alisae, Taly and Aristeia

cakez

is busted OP

It sucks that Gamma died cuz she was one of my townreads I felt okay about
I don't really TR Titus anymore, her last two posts are literally just naked votes on me and I find it suspicious that she is seemingly uninterested in actually engaging with me or discussing any of her thoughts or arguments about me

wrong, boo,

titus

is town

but i dont think scum takes this angle if on the verge of potential elimination, its just very specific to go after another non-discussed slot

It sucks that Gamma died cuz she was one of my townreads I felt okay about
I don't really TR Titus anymore, her last two posts are literally just naked votes on me and I find it suspicious that she is seemingly uninterested in actually engaging with me or discussing any of her thoughts or arguments about me

Quick correction not her last two posts anymore but that was recent

k

do you, but its so blatantly obvious im town it just looks like youre lost

dismissal of

Cakez's

vote/scumread

I gotta get in and look at who evolved and bulge and why

Anyone remember somebody whose opinion on the bulge, and even dunnstral, changed over the day for better or worse?

We use the informed minority nature of mafia against them

a promise to an analysis that isnt here and also doesnt give much food for thought tbh

we can start with a cakez lim

there we go again

no fuck off

King shit

VOTE: cakez

why did you change your mind

fair question

I don't want to settle back to day one reads, i want to figure out who Dunn and bulge scum points to

i like this POV

See im convinced its more about how people reacted to them, not the slots themselves.

why not both?

good question, why is

pisskop

downplaying the purpose of NKA?

Dunn was largely empty.

The bulge was lessso, but still acutely under pressure for a large amount of time.

Im fairly convinced 3rd scum would have changed how they view bulge specifically.

another analysis going nowhere

Alisae and Ari are town.

My real concern is a maf partner who jumped into a heavy convo about a topic that has no relevance.

again, nothing that is stating a specific read or push

Why do you feel ignored? Youre pretty town

not why i felt ignored or why my WIM was low due to D2.

the main gist is that

Cakez

has been going with unusual takes on slots that don't protect him from elimination

and

pissko

keeps eluding to an analysis that isnt present because you cant follow how their ideas relate to their read, specifically

cakez

, and their tone to D2 and D3's flip is really odd given how they want to continue eliminating D1 suspected slots.

VOTE: pisskop

i dont get your scumread tbh. can you explain it in a simpler way for me

I don't really see the progression of how

pisskop's

view of the game yields any tangible reads, it is partially a tonal read as I didn't think his reaction to the flips aligned with his behavior, and I didn't like his response to this either.

It has kind of faded because I've entertained new information.

[Taly]

everyone says i have an impressive scum-game when im town wtf

[Taly]

unless i become an IC, ill never get my character arc of fully leading town and my existence is relegated to an N1 kill or an ELO WIFOM clusterfuck

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 3.5

SirCakez [2] - Titus, WhemeStar
Redados [2] - Aristeia, Alisae
pisskop [3] - SirCakez, Redados, Malakittens

Not Voting [2]

- Taly, pisskop

With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2023-11-10 22:00:00)

[Taly]

if this game becomes a

"taly has to rethink his correct townreads to get the game moving, but oh wait! is scumread the closer they get to elo"

im going to lose my shit

[Taly]

if this game becomes a

"taly has to rethink his correct townreads to get the game moving, but oh wait! is scumread the closer they get to elo"

im going to lose my shit

this is certainly a recurring theme with me in mafia games ffs

[Taly]

why do i even compromise anymore

[Taly]

You still haven't answered me on

Red

:/

i posted my reasoning on theta on this page

viewtopic.php?t=91817&start=1575

I know that. But you don't have any thought to share on their rep?

[Taly]

lol if it is taly itd be an impressive effort by him today.though his sr on me did kind of start after cakez omgused

Also why would I even resist easy eliminations like

cakez

as scum

If I were scum, 90% of my ISO is meaningless.

[Taly]

Majority of me post D1 is doubling down on townreads when it actively hinders me if I were the final mafia

[Taly]

Maybe I'm taking this too seriously hmmm. I would GIF but I'm on the bus.

I'll reevaluate the wagons

[Redados]

UNVOTE:

[Titus]

People, we have a little more than a day. Fucking pick someone.