I mean, how much succinct can I make it.In post 1838, pisskop wrote:ISO post 36 of 71 to date.In post 1116, SirCakez wrote:ElaborateIn post 1099, Gamma Emerald wrote: Feels like Cakez is deliberately sidestepping the discussion on why we are choose to not go after those slots.
The very first thing you say in D2 is 'I'm recalibrating my reads.'
In post 938, SirCakez wrote: Reading reading readingIn post 952, SirCakez wrote: Dunn is like nullscum for me I keep getting weird tone reads off his posts but I can't point to anything specific enough to make a coherent argument for itIn post 1057, SirCakez wrote: I think Bulges lash out on pg 39 was hella town not sure what that means for Ari's alignment yetYou call dunn nullscum, and as the day progresses you get significantly more vocal about asking them to act town but never actually vote there. You defend bulge and, just as Ive been saying mafia should, you immediately enter survivalism mode and begin upping your play and then sink back into the abyss once people start pushing your rather naked vote on me.In post 1065, SirCakez wrote: so ya consider my vote essentially on Dunn but I want to wait a bit here I am a little spooked by lack of counter like Titus said and wagon comp
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Sigh, I guess I'm just not convinced by anyone's reason for calling that slot scum."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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This feels a bit noncommittal. I want a more definite read.In post 1920, pisskop wrote: I think voting for mislims is a bad look no matter what. You could rightfully argue its a bad look for you, for me, for wheme. The game is a little different than most considering its just the 1 maf left, so it applies less here after day 1.
Wheme's play, I think while he was under pressure for the claim, is worth going back for. I know Ive been promising to buckle down and do a dive, I really should this weeked.
... no promises though."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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Id actually like to see more mala and titus. I think a big part of the slow pace of the game is the lurkers.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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youd be forgiven to forgetting anything either member saidbeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Ari/Titus/Wheme/Redwhat are your reads?
Fair but not a spicy takeIn post 1929, pisskop wrote: youd be forgiven to forgetting anything either member said"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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How do you feel aboutRed, pisskop?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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Scum doesn't make this post.In post 1773, Malakittens wrote: Typical cuz today was hell and was going to be my catch up day.
I will say I feel like redgardos is acting like they know me which is werid cuz I don’t recognize the name at all.
Also pisskop with the “Mala is a good policy lim” at this point is a cop out"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
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VOTE: Redados"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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Its detrimental to the game to have multiple slots with no content.
Ive been calling them nulltown for most of the day.In post 1927, Taly wrote: This feels a bit noncommittal. I want a more definite read.
P: I did not tr theta. red's content and effort is better, but I would rather base my read of the slot with a higher weight to the player present in Day1.
Id have to iso theta and make a more informed decision. I was willing to vote them out despite all that.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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I honestly dont see why you feel that way, but youve been tring them since at least last gameday, no?In post 1932, Taly wrote: Scum doesn't make this post.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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First sentence is a tonal thing, just the wording makes me think of an actual tiredness and not scum stalling.In post 1932, Taly wrote:
Scum doesn't make this post.In post 1773, Malakittens wrote: Typical cuz today was hell and was going to be my catch up day.
I will say I feel like redgardos is acting like they know me which is werid cuz I don’t recognize the name at all.
Also pisskop with the “Mala is a good policy lim” at this point is a cop out
Malamakes a comment about howReddid not engage with them in a natural manner, this seems like an expectation unlikely to come from an informed slot who isn't so concerned about how realistic people read them.
The third isMalaexpressing that policy on them is a cop out. That shows a level of self-belief in being town as there is no resignation, additional motive, or blatant AtE at play.
This just isn't looking like an informed perspective."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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I townreadEnchantwhen people did not
I townreadCakezwhen people did not
I'm pretty damn confident in my ability to read the "scummy" slots at this point."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
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Titusisn't scum either. I don't think tunneling their D1 read with very minimal confidence at that is something scum wants to do to survive."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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I don't think the final mafia is a lurker.
You can hear it from me while I'm still alive at F7 or figure that out at F3"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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uh I'm willing to sheep taly on whatever he wants this dayphase
kind of worried that me being alive is because pisskop is mafia and I'm defending him >.>You are always gonna be my love-
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In post 1902, Taly wrote:Whemeis the only person who had been voting for both mislims. That likely clears them rather than incriminate. Thoughts?In post 1936, Taly wrote:
First sentence is a tonal thing, just the wording makes me think of an actual tiredness and not scum stalling.In post 1932, Taly wrote:
Scum doesn't make this post.In post 1773, Malakittens wrote: Typical cuz today was hell and was going to be my catch up day.
I will say I feel like redgardos is acting like they know me which is werid cuz I don’t recognize the name at all.
Also pisskop with the “Mala is a good policy lim” at this point is a cop out
Malamakes a comment about howReddid not engage with them in a natural manner, this seems like an expectation unlikely to come from an informed slot who isn't so concerned about how realistic people read them.
The third isMalaexpressing that policy on them is a cop out. That shows a level of self-belief in being town as there is no resignation, additional motive, or blatant AtE at play.
This just isn't looking like an informed perspective.
I need someone to be critical with these thoughtsIn post 1938, Taly wrote:Titusisn't scum either. I don't think tunneling their D1 read with very minimal confidence at that is something scum wants to do to survive.Ari, do you think I am making any missteps?"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
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Passive influence from other headmates is a hell of a drug."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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Titus/Wheme/Mala, please contribute, even if it is just "IDFK", anything goes a long way here."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
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1942 is a great prompt to everyone in the game, not justAri."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
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If I had to be very candid, it's betweenpisskop/redfor me.
I think I had rose-tinted glasses withRedlast dayphase and that has faded. Namely, I haven't seen anything in their ISO that jumps out as unable to be faked.
On the other hand, I've said my piece withpisskopfor now.
I can do group ISOs comparingtheta/pisskopbut that feels a bit overdone..."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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it is a pretty damning postIn post 1504, Aristeia wrote:
feels like this is what scum says about their partners floundering and i dont read any real scumhunting from her.In post 654, Theta Alpine wrote:v/la until wednesday for personal reasons
i did try to dive dunn and bulge and idk
both feel like lhf and not scum
yup, right afterIn post 1506, Theta Alpine wrote: rather unfortunate indeed
more unfortunate that the person i most suspect right now is aristeia because i am fairly sure that is wrongaricalledthetaout
In post 1509, Theta Alpine wrote: you were one of the strong proponents of all mafia must have been gun
which i assume the final scum would have pushed for given that it appears the final scum went rose insteadthetaasserts that the rhetoric that all mafia must be gun as a scum rhetoric is odd given that majority of the town functioned off this atp in the gamealiase, enchant, wheme, etc. who are all likely to be town.
more stallingIn post 1548, Theta Alpine wrote: i mean it is a little hard to get motivation when i know i need to be eliminated probably anyways and i also am not the best at sorting people
but i can do some actual reading into interactions with dunn and bulge and try to figure out if i can determine much
a net 0 in terms of a readIn post 1551, Theta Alpine wrote: huh
dunn and bulge had opposing interactions with aristeia
dunn was supportive of aris ideas while bulge was pushing ari for role fishing
not sure what that means but it is interesting
i am not especially able to tell if the interactions felt unnatural or not though
odd statement when being questioned about reads.In post 1553, Theta Alpine wrote: yeah i do not expect to last longer then ari myself so
it is just my strongest suspicion at the moment cause we are either looking for a deep wolf or scum that have nearly given up and i do not know which
In post 1577, Aristeia wrote:
^ this is Bulge pushing me and claiming that me pushing enchant for lying about his pick is not sorting his alignmentIn post 352, The Bulge wrote:
there is incentive for town to lie in this setupIn post 349, Aristeia wrote:
you think pushing enchant for lying about his pick is not sorting alignments?In post 347, The Bulge wrote:
to what end?? you haven't shown any interest in sorting alignmentsIn post 344, Aristeia wrote:
to reduce noise in the threadIn post 341, The Bulge wrote:
narrative control is probably more accurate. shutting down d1 scum strat speculation rubs me the wrong way, esp when you only seem interested in discussing claims. what's the point of assuming there are 3 scum guns and then not going any further with that speculation? it's all noise.In post 334, Aristeia wrote:
attempt at thread control? I barely even bother to post more than one time a day in this thread where the fuck are you getting thread control vibesIn post 327, The Bulge wrote: 146 strikes me as an attempt at thread control, like they don't want discussion to stray away from mass-claim adjacency.
ok whybecause town has incentive to lie in this setup
that is a good tidbit... they both had an aligning agenda.In post 1578, Aristeia wrote:
^ this is theta on the same page supporting bulge and picking up the baton to argue with me about mech and town incentive to lieIn post 367, Theta Alpine wrote: again
town has every reason to lie about their claim in this setup
scum cannot trust anything town says
town cannot trust anything scum says
a mass claim puts scum into the advantage in this setup if town follow it truthfully
and given thatwheme/enchantare town in this universe, boththetaandbulgelook like they're both TMI'ing them.
kind of odd thatthetabought into mywhemepush with this logic... perhaps they benefited from a mislim there.
granted, we cant do much about this sincethetarep'd out."Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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kIn post 1601, Redados wrote:
Confirming this.In post 1343, Theta Alpine wrote: scum already have three free shots to take from whoever they attempted to kill last night plus the town gun
so i feel safe claiming night 1 rose
no reason on why
pisskopis scum but wants questions asked, i sometimes do this as scum when i want someone to prompt me into giving a stance by asking questions that lead me into developing a narrative
In post 1603, Redados wrote: Alisae and Ari are town.alidied so
but important to note for later
im not quite sure the thought process behind this, it implies that the wagoned peopleIn post 1604, Redados wrote: My feelings are that the scum is simply content with the status quo. It doesn’t feel like the game is easily in hand, I think it’s important to not get complacent.(cakez, wheme, maybe even pisskop)were town, probably a TMI statement tbh.
?In post 1605, Redados wrote: Malakittens.
In post 1612, Redados wrote:
Well it was a gut feeling but now that I have ISOd you it looks like I’m a geniusIn post 1606, pisskop wrote: So why are you voting me?"it's incredibly obvious you're scum"~ a scum player, usually
again, more non-concrete reads, this is also probably the most common and easiest stance to take on me as a player in any contextIn post 1616, Redados wrote: Your style of posting is pro-town yet NAI if that makes sense. Makes you tricky to sort.
i kind of wonder if this was because i agreed withIn post 1636, Redados wrote: I like your analysis talypisskopscum rather than a specific part of my analysis, i figured even town would be critical of an assessment, especially one that just agrees with them -- as i gave no inclination of apisskopscumread prior to this. interesting that this wasnt a point of curiosity forred
1642 was a good question byIn post 1645, Redados wrote:
I appreciate your input.In post 1638, pisskop wrote:
We have one scum left, can you not start pocketing peopleIn post 1636, Redados wrote: I like your analysis taly
Taly! You are scum scum scum. How could you. I trusted you.
Dear pisskop. Is that better? Sincerely, redados.pisskopthat was never answered, maybe intentionally
well you've shown a track record already for dismissingIn post 1647, Redados wrote:
it's been like two hours how can you make a blanket statement like that lolIn post 1643, pisskop wrote: Its like pulling teeth with red.pisskop
kind of an odd self-focus, like, i understand that replacing in in a lengthy game warrants a desire to be asked questions and a read on a rep'ing into a scummy slot, but i have no real indication here thatIn post 1697, Redados wrote: Whemestar, Malakittens, Titus, and SirCakez all owe me a read on me.redwants to know this information to sort, this might be more focused with optics.
I don't think they answered this themselves, andIn post 1713, Redados wrote:
Do you think scum is one of the four inactive people or do you think scum is active rnIn post 1710, pisskop wrote: So if they had shiny pokemon, whyd they bother with the red gyrados in gen 2 or 3.pisskopmentioned it is a lurker, which does align with theircakez/other slotsPOV
Keyword: "almost"In post 1718, Redados wrote: Wheme I feel like your day one was almost too haphazard to be scum.
idk why it wouldnt be useful, if its effectively a pseudovote, it gets the game rollingIn post 1732, Redados wrote:
I’m not doing this, we don’t learn from this like we learn from wagonsIn post 1724, WhemeStar wrote: 1st vote = 4 points
2nd vote = 3 point
3rd vote = 2 points
4th vote = 1 points
Just add up the points based on who’s where and then we vote whoever has highest points first
im also inclined to townreadwhemefor this post alone
if i were scum, id probably NOT want to do this either because i dont want to feel the need to justify a shift vote change from having a pretty open PoE like that.
but ifredis town, why don't they just assert that this is unnecessary because they scumreadpisskopand not because "we don't learn anything"
is there a contrary thought to this?In post 1741, Redados wrote: You think there’s just a super obvious wolf to vote out and that the towncore is all town?
In post 1744, Redados wrote:
I didn’t give a ton of energy to analyzing theta because I can see the role card, but I would feel the same way about not feeling great about the slot if I didn’t know otherwise. So I totally get where you’re coming from.In post 1743, pisskop wrote: Youre obviously not theta, but I didnt have much love for the slot either, and as a single scum a rep in is a perfect excuse to post, for instance.
The tell will be in sustaining this energy you have now.In post 1745, Redados wrote:
Is it possible that you’re reading into it more than you need to? It’s as simple as - player excited about playing mafia replaces in. I don’t think that my volume of posting is alignment indicative, although I haven’t played as scum here in about three years so I can’t really self-meta at this pointIn post 1743, pisskop wrote: Youre obviously not theta, but I didnt have much love for the slot either, and as a single scum a rep in is a perfect excuse to post, for instance.
The tell will be in sustaining this energy you have now.This just gives the potential impression of smoothening things out with
pisskopbecause I can't tell why they scumreadpisskopin the first place
This is a response to [post=18241824[/post] I believe, whereIn post 1826, Redados wrote:Ali?Titustells someone to pick to eliminate.
Why wouldAlieven crossRed'smind ifAliwas 1 of the 2 townreads they mentioned upon replacing in?
?In post 1831, Redados wrote: Fixed mindset is anti town
Since I was never convincedIn post 1842, Redados wrote:
VOTE: SirCakezIn post 1838, pisskop wrote:
ISO post 36 of 71 to date.In post 1116, SirCakez wrote:
ElaborateIn post 1099, Gamma Emerald wrote: Feels like Cakez is deliberately sidestepping the discussion on why we are choose to not go after those slots.
The very first thing you say in D2 is 'I'm recalibrating my reads.'
In post 938, SirCakez wrote: Reading reading readingIn post 952, SirCakez wrote: Dunn is like nullscum for me I keep getting weird tone reads off his posts but I can't point to anything specific enough to make a coherent argument for itIn post 1057, SirCakez wrote: I think Bulges lash out on pg 39 was hella town not sure what that means for Ari's alignment yet
You call dunn nullscum, and as the day progresses you get significantly more vocal about asking them to act town but never actually vote there. You defend bulge and, just as Ive been saying mafia should, you immediately enter survivalism mode and begin upping your play and then sink back into the abyss once people start pushing your rather naked vote on me.In post 1065, SirCakez wrote: so ya consider my vote essentially on Dunn but I want to wait a bit here I am a little spooked by lack of counter like Titus said and wagon comp
E-2?cakezis scum, I think this is very weak evidence to want to compromise on eliminating someone.
idk, this feels like it might be feigned, i think there's good reason without this that suggestIn post 1898, Redados wrote: I’m re-reading Alisae’s ISO from since I replaced in and I’m a little confused on who they even wanted to vote out next. I assume in a game state like this you night kill people who want to vote you out?aliis an ideal NK target.
this has yet to go anywhere.In post 1899, Redados wrote: Pisskop can you explain why you would have night killed Alisae"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
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pisskophas been working with me despite my suspicion of them, i feel like mafia would more survivalistically pivot against me in this scenario rather than stick to the"lurkers have scum / should be policy"that he has more so presented.
im currently thinkingpisskopcan get a pass this dayphase, as I feel D1 interactions point much more tothetaas a partner, especially in the context of thatAri V Bulge1v1 andEnchant/WhemeTvT TMI theory.
we might just win if we get 3 more votes onred"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey
"The human race is bad at reading Taly." ~the worst
"Taly I knew your slot was scum and I still struggled to find arguments to SR your play lol" ~Infinity 324
"Taly wins for the most fence-sitty reads in a game ever" ~Battle Mage
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