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so the team wouldn't have to be exactly you/bingle/ydrasse-
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I’m agreed I think shirou is scum. I just think they would have discussed quickhammers at some point in the last like week or so.-
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I looked back, at that point Dann was voting for Kyouko tho, heck Ali said "Yolo vote me or no balls" and only a page later Dann voted for Ali.In post 4218, implosion wrote:
If dann is scum, and yesterday dann thought kyouko was so guaranteed to be spared today that dann would be obligated to shoot kyouko, then dann would never make 4071 because Dann is both (1) sealing his fate that he will be pretty hard obligated to vote bingle today and (2) sealing his fate that he's making what will probably be, to some of the town, a convincing town case on bingle. It's just so, unnecessarily, brutally committal of a post for scum to make in that situation.In post 4216, Sakura Hana wrote:
You say this as if Dann had any option other than Kyoko in that scenario.In post 4215, implosion wrote: Well I guess Dann can make that post and then shoot bingle but bingle is alive so lol
But now that i look at that progression, maybe it's more likely to come from a town player than a scum who just decided to go "screw the plans, let's just yolo spare Alisae"I bloom in spring?
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this is untrue for like 8 reasons lolIn post 4222, RCEnigma wrote: If bingle were scum the exact team would have to be bingle + me + Ydrasse… or he’d have been hammered.
no one is getting away with quickhammering their scumbuddy today in this setup. Scum do, in fact, need to be thinking about tomorrow and not monolithically about today. Like this,
is just hogwash. Scum do NEED a scum flip today. They also NEED a scum flip tomorrow an exactly equal amount.I don’t want to hear any arguments about posturing or angling for the future, scum NEED a scum flip today and there isn’t a way around that. You just flip your partner and try to figure out how to spin it later.-
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No it's implying that a tomorrow after a me spare is mod bastardry and I'd need to start singing "Kill the beast!" Or at least humming it very loudly.In post 4183, Sakura Hana wrote:
?In post 4181, Bingle wrote: I would also be absolutely furious if you died or sakura got spared tomorrow, and would march on Isis's house to demand retribution, fwiw.
RCE... and Alisae.
Isnt this implying a you spare means there's a tomorrow?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Not really, no.In post 4197, Dannflor wrote: bingle is there anyone besides yourself that you'd be comfortable sparing
I think I'm super obvious town, and it's gonna take a lot to shake that. I don't need to solve to win this, I just need to show what I think is obvious. Unless it becomes impossible for me to be spared, I'm probably just going to, yknow, try to win the game."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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How interesting, i also think i'm super obvious town, but apparently it isnt that super obvious to everyone in here.In post 4231, Bingle wrote: I think I'm super obvious townI bloom in spring?
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How do you feel about Dannflor in light of my argument?In post 4231, Bingle wrote:
Not really, no.In post 4197, Dannflor wrote: bingle is there anyone besides yourself that you'd be comfortable sparing
I think I'm super obvious town, and it's gonna take a lot to shake that. I don't need to solve to win this, I just need to show what I think is obvious. Unless it becomes impossible for me to be spared, I'm probably just going to, yknow, try to win the game.-
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Or do you have reads more generally right now? I myself am not finding an especially coherent worldview where both of us are town and so I'm certainly not going to vote you because you think you're obvtown right now.-
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There is no downside for scum quickhammering if they get a townie on the wagon. Outed scum doesn’t matter if they aren’t in the spare pool. They weren’t getting spared anyway.In post 4229, implosion wrote:
this is untrue for like 8 reasons lolIn post 4222, RCEnigma wrote: If bingle were scum the exact team would have to be bingle + me + Ydrasse… or he’d have been hammered.
no one is getting away with quickhammering their scumbuddy today in this setup. Scum do, in fact, need to be thinking about tomorrow and not monolithically about today. Like this,
is just hogwash. Scum do NEED a scum flip today. They also NEED a scum flip tomorrow an exactly equal amount.I don’t want to hear any arguments about posturing or angling for the future, scum NEED a scum flip today and there isn’t a way around that. You just flip your partner and try to figure out how to spin it later.-
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I think if both of us are town then it's likely that either Ydrasse or Dannflor were in a shit position and gambited. I think it is less likely, but still vaguely possible, that RCE gambited. I think it is even less likely, but still possible, that Sakura gambited. I know, for a fact, that I'm town. I don't particularly think both of us are town. I think you pushing against Ali yesterday and you pushing against me today are a pretty good indicator of that, tbh.In post 4234, implosion wrote: Or do you have reads more generally right now? I myself am not finding an especially coherent worldview where both of us are town and so I'm certainly not going to vote you because you think you're obvtown right now.
But again, I don't really have to pick out the scumteam. I have to shine as town for the town players. Scum is the group in the hotseat where they have to prevent my spare from going through at all costs."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Dann I’m fairly certain you’re town even if bingle were to flip scum today (I don’t think he will) I’d be willing to push you up tomorrow if we miss, and we just vote bingle today.
Worst case it looks like bingle!scum -> Sakura nk -> you and I live for next spare. I don’t mind being the one to step back.-
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Do you think i have less chance of flipping town than Bingle?In post 4237, RCEnigma wrote: Dann I’m fairly certain you’re town even if bingle were to flip scum today (I don’t think he will) I’d be willing to push you up tomorrow if we miss, and we just vote bingle today.
Worst case it looks like bingle!scum -> Sakura nk -> you and I live for next spare. I don’t mind being the one to step back.
I don't see why you'd be pushing so hard for Bingle spare otherwise.
You mentioned yourself on your list of 4 that You, Bingle, Me and Dann should give us a gg.
I don't see how that makes any difference to you which of the 4 goes.I bloom in spring?
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As it currently stands, I'm voting myself, Dann's voting himself and Bingle's voting himself while you're voting Bingle.
Literally you could vote any of us 3 and it'd be the same ammount of votes so that cant be it either.I bloom in spring?
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First of all I need to explain certain things today since you didn't even let me post yesterday.
I'm glad Ali was town but that does not fix the problem of you all not sparing Kyouko, an obvious nightkill target, before sparing Alisae which had more suspicion on her
I did not town read Key/Ydrasse that much on night 4, but I said that I no longer was interested in Kyouko to spare Kyouko in D5. Everything turned out well in the end, SORT OF, but I really wanted to spare Kyouko and then if you all wanted it we could have been sparing Alisae today. I've my doubts whether scum would NK Ali given I was suspecting her and being loud about it.The Deathtunnel Archon Shirou without any of his aggro or hyperposting powers.
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The second issue is that I think RCE and Ydrasse need to be unaligned for the 1v1 in D1, and the mathematical odds (along with my most recent perception of the game), makes me consider Ydrasse may in fact be scum and Ali was right (which in turn may make RCE town but I always have a bad feeling about his posts).The Deathtunnel Archon Shirou without any of his aggro or hyperposting powers.
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Idk the vote count but if my vote hammers I’ll vote. Otherwise it doesn’t really matter where my vote is inside the spare pool.In post 4239, Sakura Hana wrote: As it currently stands, I'm voting myself, Dann's voting himself and Bingle's voting himself while you're voting Bingle.
Literally you could vote any of us 3 and it'd be the same ammount of votes so that cant be it either.-
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I guess that's a fair point.In post 4242, RCEnigma wrote:
Idk the vote count but if my vote hammers I’ll vote. Otherwise it doesn’t really matter where my vote is inside the spare pool.In post 4239, Sakura Hana wrote: As it currently stands, I'm voting myself, Dann's voting himself and Bingle's voting himself while you're voting Bingle.
Literally you could vote any of us 3 and it'd be the same ammount of votes so that cant be it either.I bloom in spring?
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The third and most important issue is that someone scumclaimed here in my eyes
and that person is none other than DANNWOLF!
My above post reconsidering my views after Ali flipped town is the FIRST time I've any positive feelings towards RCE whatsoever.In post 4072, Dannflor wrote: to be transparent i think the team is exactly like sakura/rce/shirou and they've been subtly pushing each other into or back into the town core for a while now
I've been doing nothing but be anti-sparing RCE for the rest of the game and very much up to the point you posted this.
Sakura also hadn't been in my top 3 towncore I was suggesting, my names were Ydrasse/Kyouko/Keyleth
There's no way this is a real thought you've imo. This is a completely made up worldview that has little basis on what happened in the game up to that point. If you really wanted to suggest me as scum, you could have seen me as a possible Ydrasse partner that is trying to get her spared but I've made much less if any contribution to those you mentioned.The Deathtunnel Archon Shirou without any of his aggro or hyperposting powers.
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It does matter.In post 4242, RCEnigma wrote:
Idk the vote count but if my vote hammers I’ll vote. Otherwise it doesn’t really matter where my vote is inside the spare pool.In post 4239, Sakura Hana wrote: As it currently stands, I'm voting myself, Dann's voting himself and Bingle's voting himself while you're voting Bingle.
Literally you could vote any of us 3 and it'd be the same ammount of votes so that cant be it either.
I definitely think Dann is scum right now and Bingle may be a partner otherwise he loses today
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Unhappily although I'm not very confident on my read on Sakura, it's the best I've with the remaining people's poolThe Deathtunnel Archon Shirou without any of his aggro or hyperposting powers.
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I can also claim to be sheeping Alisae, I thinkThe Deathtunnel Archon Shirou without any of his aggro or hyperposting powers.
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This is literally what i said yday.In post 4244, Lazy Shirou wrote: I've been doing nothing but be anti-sparing RCE for the rest of the game and very much up to the point you posted this.
I did miss this tho.In post 4244, Lazy Shirou wrote: Sakura also hadn't been in my top 3 towncore I was suggesting, my names were Ydrasse/Kyouko/Keyleth
Thanks for your support!I bloom in spring?
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I've my doubts about RCE but yeah, I'm fine with this now and Alisae would be approving my actions if she was still here I think
see? even evil dragons can side with the heroes sometimes!The Deathtunnel Archon Shirou without any of his aggro or hyperposting powers.
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