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[Meuh]

If we form a town core in this setup, is it an apple core?

VOTE: Aureal

[Meuh]

Considering I lost a 23p game on day 9 because I was too amenable to scum Wheme doing brash anti-town things, I can’t say I’m super eager to townread him for what he’s doing rn

[Meuh]

I have a very good readrate on wheme

Wheme can still be town (don’t have a strong feeling there), but I’m unwilling to let Wheme do anti-town things and get away with it because of good posting. That’s more my point

[Meuh]

[ Theta Alpine | 77/100 hp ]

Wondering if we can get Theta’s HP over 100

[Meuh]

HEAL: theta

[Meuh]

I think the low content density per post is already making this game already stick to my brain less
Feels like we’re on page 3 but we’re on 11???

[Meuh]

Also thinking the list is player-controlled, but Skygazer being on it is ???

[Meuh]

[Meuh]

You're all a bunch of silly geese!

[Meuh]

Hi Drew! Congrats on the doomed slot!

I usually can doom it pretty well myself, so this is nothing new heh.

Will catch up in the next few hours or so

VOTE: unvote

Drew are you scum? You would never be scum, right?

[Meuh]

Hi Drew! Congrats on the doomed slot!

I usually can doom it pretty well myself, so this is nothing new heh.

Will catch up in the next few hours or so

VOTE: unvote

Drew are you scum? You would never be scum, right?

You know full well I am Cult Leader.

Are you like a cool Cult Leader at least? If you are then it's chill.

[Meuh]

this game is pretty easy if

{aureal, jjh, theta}

are all town

i dont have a good track record at reading

meuh

so if anyone has insight there, feel free to share

I don't think Meuh and I have ever read each correctly lol, so I am no help there.

Your earlier post did remind me to look at, besides you who I discussed a bit, who exactly hopped on me and why.

I thought I could read Theta, but she fooled me last game.

Wish I was scum cause, I don’t think anyone here can read me that well… What a waste

[Meuh]

I misplaced the comma… embarassing…

[Meuh]

meuh

do you think

aureal

is TMIing

drew

town? if not, what is your perception of them voicing their rebuke of the elimination?

I don’t think the confidence is uncharacteristic of Aureal and her perception of Ice Dragon seems accurate? Not particularly tempted to say it’s TMI

[Meuh]

Accurate in terms of like, how he approaches the game and his meta, I don’t have a strong grasp on his actual gameplay in this game but Aureal’s counter seems vaguely accurate

[Meuh]

meuh

do you think

aureal

is TMIing

drew

town? if not, what is your perception of them voicing their rebuke of the elimination?

I don’t think the confidence is uncharacteristic of Aureal and her perception of Ice Dragon seems accurate? Not particularly tempted to say it’s TMI

Also I have seen townAureal get exacerbated like she was in defending Ice, it did actually seem genuine.

Mhmm, I don’t think I’m particularly good at reading Aureal but the counter here matches her energy in Veiled Committee mafia

[Meuh]

Oh also imo Drew is still alive, there’s just shenanigans that made those votes not enough to kill
His death just being delayed is more perplexing and convoluted, something something Occam’s razor
Which is a good thing cause that speedlim sucked!!!!!

[Meuh]

Taly are you scum? I feel like you could be

[Meuh]

im really curious what your argument is in favor of me being scum

meuh

You seemed less Talyesque early on, but now you seem more Talyesque
I think you're town

[Meuh]

- this game will have seven apple-aligned players and two orange-aligned players.

Briefly considered whether this meant there HAD to be a third party but it's pretty vague and says nothing about what a 10th player would even be
Could see 3p, though I also wouldn't be surprised if kabouter was an alt controlled by one of the players here
Nothing really rules out just an extra town or mafia (though the latter sounds incredibly unlikely balance-wise)

[Meuh]

Wait wtf 9 hours???
VOTE: Bianco

[Meuh]

(That’s E-1)

[Meuh]

Can I vote Wheme and we’ll see if it works this time?

[Meuh]

Yeah I guess it’s intent to hammer
Dunno if we can get a flip on anyone else which is sad cause this doesn’t particularly excite me

[Meuh]

Though I don’t really see myself townbinning Wheme here so meh

[Meuh]

VOTE: Wheme

[Meuh]

Pagetop hammer????

[Meuh]

Oopsie woopsie

[Meuh]

are we unable to vote this dayphase?

This is night phase

[Meuh]

More flips = more images

[Meuh]

also

meuh

what does

"

taly

-esque"

mean?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/-esque

[Meuh]

Your early posting just felt slightly stiff and tonally off iirc
I don't have a strict definition because it's not a clearly defined thing, just a general feeling

[Meuh]

so for this worldview to make sense, only 1 scum is on the wheme
wagon

Is this hard to believe?

[Meuh]

Spoiler:

Are there examples of you elaborating on those reads? Explaining them? Anyone can throw players into 5 categories if they want, I can do it right now if I want!
Here's players sorted by how much I associate them to celery vs tomatoes

Klick (replacing Random Nurse) - Celery lean
Political Clout (replacing JasonWazza) - Celery
DragonEater70 - Tomato
Theta Alpine - Tomato lean
Ranger - Tomato
DkKoba - Celery lean
Save The Dragons - Null
AniX - Tomato lean
Skygazer - Celery lean
Ircher - Celery
Bingle - Tomato lean
Aureal - Celery lean
ofrhz (replacing Alisae) - Null
Cook - Tomato
camelCasedSnivy - Celery
KatyKimFanClub - Celery lean

There, reads!

realizing I dint vibe with the translated reads from.meuh so it canceled out

Those are not translated reads!! I spent like 3 minutes sorting people's vibes on tomato or celery

That's such a celery assumption to make though

OHHHHHHH TOMATOES ARE RED AND CELERY IS GREEN

Can we talk about how apples vs oranges is lowkey Skygazer stealing my ideas... can't believe it...

[Meuh]

wesley theory

https://youtu.be/l9fN-8NjrvI?si=xxkseSSh-1kpipl1

[Meuh]

Taly was getting obv townier and townier so I can’t say I’m relieved
Glad the role wasn’t anything super powerful though

[Meuh]

i was one of the targets taly hit
i did not end up with anyone else so i just
have a pt of one now

Also was targeted, but I’m in a pt with someone else

[Meuh]

then vote me because why would i actively incriminate myself by hard-defending a partner i could just hammer and cash in towncred for it?

you have 0 depth to your thought

hmm... you're right. jjh is scum, you're not. i can agree to that assessment

Tbh probably just true

[Meuh]

VOTE: jjh

[Meuh]

Like I’ve heard jjh praised as a mighty town player who’s easy to find, and not to be rude but neither seem to be true here? They seem unenthused to solve, their posts that have been trying to solve are very meh and nothing they’ve done indicates town to me

[Meuh]

Taly’s role just sounds like a 3p finder so not targeting Wesley with it is ??????

[Meuh]

Hmmm

So Drew, tell me more about why you thought Wheme was being coached to lurk and not fight his elimination?

Just seemed like he was too ok with his lim, like I could see a buddy in that situation telling him to just act like you have no idea what is going on and don't fight.

But honestly, started to feel like he was being coached as I questioned him a bit about not having any reads at all despite what has transpired.

I might have been projecting how I would have handled things though heh.

Pre Edit: Theta, do you think this is something we legit should pay attention to? I have been kinda ignoring it so far

this feels too specific a reason to come from scum at the velocity of the wagon

I think Drew

needs

to pull out 'specific reason' here to have any chance of not throwing giant red flags all over the place here. So no, I don't agree with you there. This very much reads like an excuse to me because Drew has good reason to think I'm going to suspect him for this. Drew and I have played with Wheme before, in Weird Dreams which I referenced earlier. Guess who got voted out day one after doing very little and even saying a lim on him wouldn't be bad? Guess who fought tooth and nail against the limbait-Wheme wagon? I'm finding it hard to reconcile Drew's readiness to yeet Wheme here with his contempt for such things elsewhere. What was so different about Wheme here, Drew?

I have played with Wheme more than just Weird Dreams, and I have seem him much more engaged as town then here(admittedly I don't remember much of Weird Dreams outside of me saving Python and killing scumTitus at the same time lol). It wasn't until this moment that I remember him as the D1 lim there until you brought it up.

If memory serves me correctly, I have seen Wheme be very blase as scum in Pokemon? I could be misremembering that, but the point being, Weird Dreams had no factor in my read of Wheme here.

I already explained in detail why I thought they were scum here, if you don't like the reasoning behind, so be it......you do you. It was few hours until deadline and someone I had already voiced concern with was the leading wagon(wheme) and I didn't want one of my top town reads(Bianco) limmed, and to a lesser extent jjh or Taly limmed(over wheme least). Maybe I talked myself into it a bit too much, if I am gonna be self critical......maybe I justified it in my head, but he seemed to fit the pieces of a good scum lim for D1.

Pokemon huh? OK taking a look...

Gosh, he was so much more engaged there. Just looking at the first 24 hours of his posting there, I feel he was doing way more in that time than he did all game here. Or maybe even here plus Weird Dreams, though he did start getting involved while being wagoned right at the end in that one.

I'm still not getting how this makes you come down on the side of voting a lurker day one when the other wagon was also someone you'd expressed suspicion towards.

Comparing engagement in Pokémon to this game seems… questionable?
The gamestate here for a large chunk of day 1 was pretty boring and not particularly inspiring for a lot of players, which many people (including Wheme) mentioned

You guys ever have a game wheee you have like 0 reads

This is tbat game for me

These sorts of posts about not having much to cling onto tend to be true regardless of alignment IMO and so in my eyes, it just makes sense for Wheme to be more engaged in a different game than this one with a rough gamestate, especially when the other game was a large with complex mechanics outed from the start: a whole lot more to talk about from the start.
Aside from engagement, there was tone (which I think Drew was more referring to here), which I found Wheme to be matching here

[Meuh]

Bianco/Drew/Wesley I’ve seen you all mentioning wanting jjh dead, come wagon em with me

[Meuh]

I still just want Bianco.
My lazy day 1 solution is usually correct
VOTE: bianco

I was hoping I'd be dead right now but I think too many of the people who scumread me are town

The flipside is that I think that there were too many people scumreading Taly for all of them to be town with a Taly NK

I think there’s a much simpler explanation as to why you didn’t die last night…

[Meuh]

Like I’ve heard jjh praised as a mighty town player who’s easy to find, and not to be rude but neither seem to be true here? They seem unenthused to solve, their posts that have been trying to solve are very meh and nothing they’ve done indicates town to me

Look at some meta rather than going off reputation and then get back to me

What you've got there is kinda empty and I can't really argue back when I'll concede I'm not as motivated for this game as I was, say, the earlygame of my last game. But I am exactly as motivated for this game as the lategame of my last game

Tbh I’d like to see other people chime in with their own meta on you, forgot to ask for that specifically but I feel it’s pertinent, I’d rather explore meta that other players have than do it myself before that input

[Meuh]

I will say that my read on you

[Meuh]

I will say that my read on you revolves around POE, but I also haven’t found a singular townie thing in your ISO so I feel good about said read

[Meuh]

How many people in this game do you think actually have any experience with me?

Why do you expect me to have a strong assessment of this when I’ve never played with you before?
This is such a pointless thing and it shows how little you care about solving this game

[Meuh]

scum flailing, etc etc

[Meuh]

Not if two people hyperpost hurts at the same time

Right now wheme, you are most likely the 1 town who is going to mess things up but you're doing it from the other end

Oh btw I think this is town!Wheme

Nah you just gotta understand how mr wheme park operates

He's probably more frustrating as scum if you ask me because he's more obstinate when he leans into wacky shit like this

Wheme acted rashly but what I actually liked was when he slowed down and then stopped. Sure, he also stopped posting and probably went to go and do something else, but he was taking me seriously and I wasn't just an obstacle to the thing he wanted to do

Informedddddd

[Meuh]

jjh why did you decide to roll scum?

[Meuh]

Aureal’s what’s your take on jjh?

[Meuh]

Taly was getting obv townier and townier so I can’t say I’m relieved
Glad the role wasn’t anything super powerful though

Can you explain why you felt Taly was so towny? I didn't have any strong feelings on her one way or another so this confuses me.

Taly was very free-flowing and dropped thoughts from a townie POV that felt genuine

[Meuh]

Taly’s role just sounds like a 3p finder so not targeting Wesley with it is ??????

"Why bother, it's not going to work because it's obvious wesley isn't town or scum, and I won't even necessarily have a way to confirm that it didn't work other than trying to grill wesley into admitting it" is probably what my train of thought would be there, given that ability.

Why do you even care? Weird thing to kvetch about when Taly already flipped town.

Why is this your reaction here? Seems disproportionate to me just dropping a comment on Taly’s role
Also, it’s impossible to confirm someone is not in a hood… but:
1. Wesley wouldn’t know they were meant to be in a PT, right? So Taly could catch Wesley just based on that lack of knowledge
2. If Wesley is shown to be in a PT, then we know they’re much less likely to be 3p.
Incredible utility? No. More potential than any other option? Yes.
Though I guess arguing this at length is pointless cause as you said, Taly’s dead!

[Meuh]

methinks im damaging thread health which is unusual hmmmmmmmmmm

maybe i should meme more

my mental health has plummeted i can definitely meme

pedit

Your early posting just felt slightly stiff and tonally off iirc
I don't have a strict definition because it's not a clearly defined thing, just a general feeling

a common grievance methinks

taly

needs to find

taly

in each game

pedit again

so for this worldview to make sense, only 1 scum is on the wheme
wagon

Is this hard to believe?

nope, i think its entirely plausible

It’s little things like this with Taly: town is much more likely to have a thought like “my posting is damaging thread health” and care about it, it’s hard to fake

[Meuh]

Taly was getting obv townier and townier so I can’t say I’m relieved
Glad the role wasn’t anything super powerful though

Can you explain why you felt Taly was so towny? I didn't have any strong feelings on her one way or another so this confuses me.

Taly’s role just sounds like a 3p finder so not targeting Wesley with it is ??????

"Why bother, it's not going to work because it's obvious wesley isn't town or scum, and I won't even necessarily have a way to confirm that it didn't work other than trying to grill wesley into admitting it" is probably what my train of thought would be there, given that ability.

Why do you even care? Weird thing to kvetch about when Taly already flipped town.

Hold on, you have been giving me the business about why I voted Wheme and not JJh, and here you are, Aureal, trying to make the person pushing JJH(Meuh) look bad.....just as the JJH wagon is gaining steam.

I even looked backed to when you switched from voting JJh to Wheme, literally was right before I voted Wheme......you gave me shit for not voting him and choosing to vote Wheme, when you LEFT the JJh wagon to vote Wheme!

I think you are trying to play both sides here, trying to push JJh while also keeping others in the conversation for a mislim. I was looking at you like 'of course Aureal is town' but taking a step back I see I was probably wrong. Ironically you pushing me on why I voted Wheme caused me to take this step back, so thank you for that lol.

VOTE: Aureal

Aureal suddenly giving a shit about me when I push jjh is scummy, but imo more likely to be partnered than scum stepping in to defend a townie? Aureal gets herself into shit by pushing back on me considering there’s momentum against jjh, I don’t think scum Aureal really benefits from taking this stance with a town jjh

[Meuh]

imo this is either scum Aureal with scum jjh or town Aureal
Which makes me wanna vote jjh more lol
Don’t really see the world you’re positing though, Drew. Scum Aureal town jjh doesn’t click

[Meuh]

Taly was getting obv townier and townier so I can’t say I’m relieved
Glad the role wasn’t anything super powerful though

Can you explain why you felt Taly was so towny? I didn't have any strong feelings on her one way or another so this confuses me.

Taly’s role just sounds like a 3p finder so not targeting Wesley with it is ??????

"Why bother, it's not going to work because it's obvious wesley isn't town or scum, and I won't even necessarily have a way to confirm that it didn't work other than trying to grill wesley into admitting it" is probably what my train of thought would be there, given that ability.

Why do you even care? Weird thing to kvetch about when Taly already flipped town.

Hold on, you have been giving me the business about why I voted Wheme and not JJh, and here you are, Aureal, trying to make the person pushing JJH(Meuh) look bad.....just as the JJH wagon is gaining steam.

I even looked backed to when you switched from voting JJh to Wheme, literally was right before I voted Wheme......you gave me shit for not voting him and choosing to vote Wheme, when you LEFT the JJh wagon to vote Wheme!

I think you are trying to play both sides here, trying to push JJh while also keeping others in the conversation for a mislim. I was looking at you like 'of course Aureal is town' but taking a step back I see I was probably wrong. Ironically you pushing me on why I voted Wheme caused me to take this step back, so thank you for that lol.

VOTE: Aureal

Aureal suddenly giving a shit about me when I push jjh is scummy, but imo more likely to be partnered than scum stepping in to defend a townie? Aureal gets herself into shit by pushing back on me considering there’s momentum against jjh, I don’t think scum Aureal really benefits from taking this stance with a town jjh

Well that's the thing, I don't think she is blatantly protecting JJh(and no I don't think.they are partnered since she has been

seemingly ready to vote him

, since I repped in at least).

But the timing of giving you a little bit questioning just as the JJh wagon is gaining steam, while also giving me shit for not voting JJh, just doesn't add up to me.

Especially since some of the same things she was pushing me on she was doing herself!

seemingly

That’s the important word here. Particularly since the thread is actively talking about a jjh wagon now and she completely avoids mentioning it.
The gap in logic you describe can come from a townie though, tbh. Townies (myself included) can be hypocritical pretty often. I’ve repeatedly scumread people for things I’ve also been doing.
Either Aureal is just being a townie doing contradictory things (which is common), or Aureal is scum taking advantage of a situation. In the latter, I don’t see why she’d position herself the way she just has if jjh is town.

[Meuh]

Like the biggest momentum since daystart has been Bianco and I pushing for jjh, and then earlier, Aureal’s had some back and forths with you and Wesley’s been calling jjh scum. If she’s scum and jjh is town, I feel like she gets herself into trouble for no reason by posting like she is currently.

[Meuh]

Forgot HPE was in this game tbh

[Meuh]

Taly’s role just sounds like a 3p finder so not targeting Wesley with it is ??????

"Why bother, it's not going to work because it's obvious wesley isn't town or scum, and I won't even necessarily have a way to confirm that it didn't work other than trying to grill wesley into admitting it" is probably what my train of thought would be there, given that ability.

Why do you even care? Weird thing to kvetch about when Taly already flipped town.

Why is this your reaction here? Seems disproportionate to me just dropping a comment on Taly’s role
Also, it’s impossible to confirm someone is not in a hood… but:
1. Wesley wouldn’t know they were meant to be in a PT, right? So Taly could catch Wesley just based on that lack of knowledge
2. If Wesley is shown to be in a PT, then we know they’re much less likely to be 3p.
Incredible utility? No. More potential than any other option? Yes.
Though I guess arguing this at length is pointless cause as you said, Taly’s dead!

Because Taly isn't in the game anymore, it's kinda rude to scold dead town over their night action decision-making. You sounded like you were trying to shade Taly's credibility.

And I wouldn't put it past this game for 'wesley' to know about PT stuff despite not being able to actually be in it.

I’m more bewildered than mad, which is what I was trying to show with the question mark spam, but I suppose it also could’ve come off that way, so understandable

[Meuh]

Like the biggest momentum since daystart has been Bianco and I pushing for jjh, and then earlier, Aureal’s had some back and forths with you and Wesley’s been calling jjh scum. If she’s scum and jjh is town, I feel like she gets herself into trouble for no reason by posting like she is currently.

How so? I mean look at how you are looking at it, what I think she is doing doesn't really disrupt the JJh wagon while making others(you and I) look bad.

And coupled with her hypocrisy in regards to me, the TMI when she said she thought Dragons was hammered, and her positioning here.....like I said it doesn't add up to town play to me.

Pre Edit: Half my goal is to entertain you.....the other half is to point out the red flags

But making others look back comes at the cost of potential backlash against here (like, for example, your current reaction)
Perhaps this is a standpoint where I'm overestimating how precisely calculated scum games are, but if Aureal were to weigh the option of entering the thread the way she did as scum, I don't think she'd see it as particularly good if jjh is town
Also can you point me to the direction of the TMI?

[Meuh]

Like the biggest momentum since daystart has been Bianco and I pushing for jjh, and then earlier, Aureal’s had some back and forths with you and Wesley’s been calling jjh scum. If she’s scum and jjh is town, I feel like she gets herself into trouble for no reason by posting like she is currently.

What about my posting seems like it could get me into trouble? I'm asking you guys questions because I'm trying to figure out what you're doing so I can hopefully figure your alignment. You did nothing all day one and suddenly you're spitting intensely confident reads and I probably haven't even read all of what you're saying yet while trying to peek in from work, let alone processed it.

Cause there's been no significant momentum on me so far (in large part cause I did nothing day 1), and that focusing down on me and pushing back on my posting when I'm trying to build momentum on jjh, who is a pretty popular scumread, can get you into some trouble since it's kind of opposed to the way a good portion of the thread is leaning
You popping in and out does explain it a good bit (though I didn't find your initial pop in super scummy), I think you're town for what it's worth!
My reads often operate in waves of confidence and energy that can be jarring. To me jjh just clicks as scum, their ISO feels like textbook scum gameplay. Though just wanting to know if I'm right also makes me want the flip more

[Meuh]

VOTE: jjh

Anything to say?

[Meuh]

VOTE: jjh

Anything to say?

aureal is probably town

thats it im done thank you for listening to my enlightened philosophilization

Damn our reads are aligned, it's almost like you're my sockpuppet or something

[Meuh]

DO IT DREW!!!!

[Meuh]

Oooooooooh fun!!!
Vote anyways just to be sure

[Meuh]

i guess this will prove if someone is voteless or if it is something with the threat assessment board messing with votes required for elimination

Is it worth seeing if this is something?

Or should I just Hammer Pt2: Electric Boogaloo?

If Aureal’s vote is day-ending, yours shouldn’t be noted down at all, since it would have been made after day end, we don’t miss out on any information regardless

[Meuh]

No real reason to rush it though I suppose

[Meuh]

[Meuh]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[Meuh]

i was one of the targets taly hit
i did not end up with anyone else so i just
have a pt of one now

Also was targeted, but I’m in a pt with someone else

That someone else was jjh btw

[Meuh]

He said in there (between his 5th to last and 4th to last posts) that he had an "unintelligible" night action result on Bianco that was hard to piece together
He said that he could maybe, perhaps, confirm a claim from Bianco (with a lot of doubt he'd be able to)

[Meuh]

No 3p is fun, though Wesley being an extension of someone would still make sense (perhaps not necessarily a scum someone, though?)

[Meuh]

HPE you town?

[Meuh]

He said in there (between his 5th to last and 4th to last posts) that he had an "unintelligible" night action result on Bianco that was hard to piece together
He said that he could maybe, perhaps, confirm a claim from Bianco (with a lot of doubt he'd be able to)

That would be quite hard since I didn't make any claim (other than my role which is clearly already confirmed). I'd love to know what the oranges may have thought I did claim thou

Read his role pm. I think he was implying a use of it on you

[Meuh]

He said in there (between his 5th to last and 4th to last posts) that he had an "unintelligible" night action result on Bianco that was hard to piece together
He said that he could maybe, perhaps, confirm a claim from Bianco (with a lot of doubt he'd be able to)

Bianco's conftown, then.

Yup! Bianco's conftown

[Meuh]

HPE you town?

Yes :)

I believe it because of the smiley face :)

[Meuh]

He said in there (between his 5th to last and 4th to last posts) that he had an "unintelligible" night action result on Bianco that was hard to piece together
He said that he could maybe, perhaps, confirm a claim from Bianco (with a lot of doubt he'd be able to)

That would be quite hard since I didn't make any claim (other than my role which is clearly already confirmed). I'd love to know what the oranges may have thought I did claim thou

Read his role pm. I think he was implying a use of it on you

Oh, needed to reread but I just realized it was 95% chance to

fail

lol. For whatever reason the first time I've read it my brain must have interpoled a

not

in there.

I still want to make the point that whatever jjh&partner could have possibly thought that I have claimed, I did not. So don't go around searching for crumbs because there aren't any

He didn't say that you had claimed, he said that if you were to claim, he could potentially maybe perhaps confirm the claim.

[Meuh]

No moderator lies so we can presume that Wesley is one or the other and not a hidden third thing even if he's a fucking enigma otherwise still.

The same section that says no moderator lies also says the setup is seven and two. Not

at least

seven and two, just straight up seven and two. There can't be ten players but also just nine players. The player list itself being the fudged thing is the most sensible conclusion. Methinks Skygazer has a rather broad definition of what a moderator lie is, after the Andante VT thing last game. >.>

The Andante VT thing wasn't even much of anything, it was me !!

Exactly, everyone thought that was the lie! Except it wasn't, it was your role!

I mean it wasn't a lie, and the mod post made it clear that it wasn't saying that Andante was VT, I think there's a difference

I think Kabouter Wesley just isn't a "player". That supposition alone makes the rest of the information we have make sense

[Meuh]

Lol, everyone left in this game was in that game. We've done a great job driving out the interlopers, team!

We've done it!!! Woooo!!!!

[Meuh]

Woooooo we did it!!!!!!

[Meuh]

Thanks for modding, Skygazer!