In post 1137, davesaz wrote:
I'm willing to give Gob a "get out of the joke claim free" card for an answer soon as to whether agreeing with Kyouko about the miller claim was a joke.
VOTE: Kyouko
If a pivot is required, better it's done promptly. Time's ticking.
We all know how I feel about Dave but I will say the vote itself could be coming from town here. We don't want no lim after all. Easy to fake as scum though.
My reasons to SR dave are independent of this vote
Complete:
01. Mini Normal 1850 - VT - Eliminated Day 1 - Town Win
02. Newbie 1752: Wave - Replaced Town JK - Killed N4 - Town Loss
03. Open 659: Jungle Republic - Vanilla Townie - NKed Night 1 - Town Loss
04. Birds of Paradise - Goon - Flawless Mafia Win
05. Newbie 1764: Wind - Replaced Goon - Flawless Mafia Win
06. Mini Normal 1857 - VT - Eliminated D5 LimLo - Town Loss
07. Open 660: White Flag - VT - Eliminated D4 - Town Loss
08. Mini 1860 - Town 1-Shot Commuter - Vigged Night 2 - Town Win
09. Micro 661: Scumteam unpick - Replaced VT - Eliminated D1 - Town Win
10. Newbie 1766 - VT - Endgamed - Town Loss
11. Open 663: Stack the Deck - VT - Killed Night 1 - Town Win
12. Large Normal 200 - VT - Vigged N2 - Town Win
13. Large Normal 199: L'Hôtel Pleuvoir - VT - Vigged N3 - Town Loss
XX. Mini Normal 1874 - VT (replaced out D1, overgamed) - No Contest
14. Mini Normal 1865 - VT - Endgamed - Town Loss
15. Code Geass - Shinichiro Tamaki (Town) - Venged D1 - Town Win
16. Timeshift Mafia III - VT - Eliminated D2 - Town Win
17. Open 668 - Diffusion of Power - Mafia Goon - Scum Loss
18. Civilization Mafia - Barbarian (Mafia) - Scum Win
19. Elemental Trinity (Hydra with Alisae) - Usurper (Mafia) - Scum Win
//Hiatus
20. Mini Normal 2053 - Mafia Goon - Scum Loss
21. Mini Normal 2057 - Town Mason (Replaced Out mid-way) - Town Win
//Hiatus
22. Mini Normal 2213 - VT - Town Loss
23. Mini Normal 2216 - VT - Town Loss
24. Mini Theme 2217: Owners Market Blitz - VT (elected MO) - Survived - Town Win
25. Mini Normal 2218 - Mafia Odd Night Strongman - Mafia Loss
26. Large Normal 233 - Mafia Goon - Mafia Loss
27. Open 820: The Siege of Aurelia - VT turned IC/Stump - Lost at Gate - Town Win
28. Mini Theme 2225: Chrono Trigger Chronicles - VT - Eliminated D1 - Town Win
29. Mini Normal 2223 - VT - Survived - Town Win
30. Mini Theme 3001: Radio Buzz - Insurgent (VT) - Eliminated D4 - Town Win
31. Mini Theme xxxx: 3d20 - Town Even-Night Tracker - Eliminated D3 - Town Loss
32. Open 827: Dead Silence III - Town Mason - Daykilled - Town Win
33. Mini Normal 2232 - VT - Killed N2 - Town Loss
34. Open 828: The Brethren Coalition - Vanilla Town - Survived - Town Win (via Coalition lock)
35. Large Normal 236 - Mafia 1-Shot Loud Visitor - Eliminated D1 - Mafia Loss
36. Mini Theme 2228: Isekai uPick - Akatsuki (Town Tracker/Restricted Watcher) - Survived - Town Win
37. Mini Normal 2238: (Modded by Dwlee99) - VT - Survived - Town Win
38. Mini Theme 2240: SCP uPick - Researcher (Town) Panacea - NKed Night 2 - Town Loss
39. Mini Theme 2231: Radio Buzz - Insurgent (VT) - Self-Hammered D4 - Town Win
40. Mini Theme 2244: 3d20 uRoll - (19, 13, 10) Cult Leader Complex Mason Finder - Killed N1 - Cult Loss
41. Mini Normal 2239: AQAtPimP - Town 2-Shot JOAT - Killed N4 - Town Loss (Vigged N_M and blocked a NK with my JOAT powers)
42. Manatee's Pokemon Large Theme - Town Azurill - Killed N1 - Town Loss
43. Large 237 - Mafia Doctor - Eliminated D1 - Mafia Loss
44. Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia - Replaced Livewire (VT) - Survived - Town Win
45. Newbie 2083 - VT (Replaced Out siteflake?) - Eliminated D2 - Town Loss
46. Open 835: Songs About Ronald Reagan - VT (Replaced Out D2 Siteflake) - Killed N4 - Town Win
//Hiatus
47. Open 893: 9:12 - Vanilla Townie - Survived - Town Win
48. Large Theme: Toriel's Patience - replaced in Town - NKed Night 2 - Town Win
After looking these over it feels like Hu Tao sometimes gets a "flippant attitude" when being incorrectly scumread. I'm seeing it more in Mini Normal 2314 than the other game. I tend to act similarly so I can relate to this
I think we just let this slot live for now
mmmm
<Embrace The Void>
“A flipped coin doesn't always land heads or tails. Sometimes it may never land at all...”
My 2 most recent scumgames were both larges where I got D1 eliminated, enjoy the read
I was looking over Large 237 before you linked it. I will admit it feels nothing like you from this game. It was 2 years ago so I guess it's possible you've gotten a lot better at appearing townie as scum, but meh
Yeah this doesn't really feel like scum!kyouko based on those games at least. In those games you seem a bit more defensive towards the people pushing you, and here you just jump straight into solving when being pushed, like you're actively trying to figure out who is scum on your wagon. I could be getting fooled by the fact that this was 2 years ago and maybe you've adapted your behavior as scum, but I don't really think I'm feeling this atm
I still think my Keyleth read means something though, even if kyouko is town here. Keyleth didn't defend his townreads when he was town. She acted more uncertain about everyone, but here she's defending people that have earned town points. It kinda gives off the air of knowing they are town?
I think I would be down for a Gamma or Keyleth wagon. We only have a little over a day left in the deadline so I'm curious what people think about these two
How did I manage to fuck up Keyleth's pronouns and then get them correct in the same post? Again I'm terribly sorry. I will be more mindful of it moving foward
Also in one of those scum games when the wagon of the day claimed PR (they claimed JK) I just unvoted right away because that's what you're expected to do and I didnt want to get the smoke
In post 1184, Black wrote:
Would you mind going over your Gamma read a little? Do you think she could be scum for reasons outside of pushing you or is it just that?
Just my reaction to that post when trying to figure out where scum might be on my wagon. I think otherwise I've been leaning town on Gamma, especially after her and BQ2 sort of briefly beefed.
I remember seeing one reaction recently (after BQ beef) where she was more tame than I expected her to be, which pinged me a little. If I'm going to be sheeped today I would much prefer it be on Celebloki, Dave, or Hu Tao because I feel more.confident in those reads. I think that I think I am better than I actually am at reading Gamma, if that makes sense
In post 1124, Black wrote:
I believe Hu Tao's claim and I think the people voting for her should probably find something else to do today
I believe in the standard concept that if someone claims a PR, especially a common one, and no one counterclaims them, that you don't lim then.
Which brings me to this:
In post 1050, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
I feel like
1. If Hu Tao's claim is real, it's not that helpful of a role right now because we're so early in. It would very hard to correctly guess the NK this early in the game, so even if it's real, scum might just leave them be anyways in hopes they'll get mislimmed before scum want to spend a NK on them
2. Could just be a fake claim because they have a useful scum PR
3. Could just be a fake claim from a goon to try to avoid dying/get value before dying
I feel like if we ignore the claim and lim Hu Tao anyways we would gain a lot more than we stand to lose if they are town. Like risk-reward is in favor of limming Hu Tao.
I've never seen a post like this.
#1 contains both the nugget that a Town Doctor isn't important and suggests that it would be ok to mislim them because hey mafia would likely let them live to get mislimmed later. How is that town?
Yah I don't like the post either, it is a very suboptimal proposal and pretty much one at a level of openwolfing and agenda driven.
VOTE: Kyouko
This is maybe scummy, it's too reductive for Guillo I think. He's not this simple and I think he sees an easy target.
By reductive I mean, he's just sheeping on Timmer's opinion and throwing out a couple of buzzwords to back it up. I think looking at the whole of my play it should be clear what my alignment is, and I think Guillo is conveniently overlooking that. I know he's paying attention, at least he should be with his activity level.
Nope, when you posted that I felt a stomachache because you were in my townreads and I dont expect my townreads to say that is optimal to still lynch a claimed doctor instead of letting it resolve at night. That is why I posted that we should do just that, to overrule you and take away from you any hope of yeeting Hu Tao there and then I waited and revisited an old hunch i had about you and the i voted you cause I really hated your post.