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[ssbm_Kyouko]

guess I should be voting elsewhere given deadline is in about 32 hours. Thought we had a little longer - still looking at Gamma games in the meantime
VOTE: Celebloki

[Elements]

We've had 1 wagon today
I too am disappointed

[gob]

Where is davesaz? seems unusually quiet this game

At the time of your post, sleeping. Also working (unbelievable number of meetings with everyone wanting to wrap stuff before half the team takes holiday break), recovering from the cold I had over the weekend.

The game is relatively quiet. Not a big fan of "me too"ing and it lacks the fireworks of directly competing large wagons.

I like playing with you a lot davesaz. We are very different people.

Who is the mafia this game?

[Elements]

VOTE: Celebloki

[gob]

guess I should be voting elsewhere given deadline is in about 32 hours. Thought we had a little longer - still looking at Gamma games in the meantime
VOTE: Celebloki

Why Celeb esp after you two voted on the same wagon. I feel like Celeb is LHF usually.

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[Celebloki]

Even though she wants me dead, I still don't think Kyouko's the play today.

This might seem completely out of left field, but I am just pondering scenario's. In a game this size, and considering Hu Tao's claim of Complex Indecisive Doctor, is a second town protective role likely balance-wise or would that be too town sided?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm torn between trusting kyouko and voting Gamma and trusting Gamma and voting Keyleth

Someone help

The thing is I only think Key is scum if Kyouko is scum because the thing I latched onto is something I consider a partner tell
VOTE: TimmerRC
How about this instead?

[Black]

I'm torn between trusting kyouko and voting Gamma and trusting Gamma and voting Keyleth

Someone help

The thing is I only think Key is scum if Kyouko is scum because the thing I latched onto is something I consider a partner tell
VOTE: TimmerRC
How about this instead?

I just find Key's defense of kyouko a bit odd. Like I said she didn't defend her townreads at all in her last game. I'm getting informed vibes there

What is your read on Timmer?

[Naerys]

I'm torn between trusting kyouko and voting Gamma and trusting Gamma and voting Keyleth

Someone help

The thing is I only think Key is scum if Kyouko is scum because the thing I latched onto is something I consider a partner tell
VOTE: TimmerRC
How about this instead?

Why Timmer?

[Gamma Emerald]

Im the mafia guys

Did someone just post the UR Classic on mafiascum?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm torn between trusting kyouko and voting Gamma and trusting Gamma and voting Keyleth

Someone help

The thing is I only think Key is scum if Kyouko is scum because the thing I latched onto is something I consider a partner tell
VOTE: TimmerRC
How about this instead?

I just find Key's defense of kyouko a bit odd. Like I said she didn't defend her townreads at all in her last game. I'm getting informed vibes there

What is your read on Timmer?

I find Timmer pretty shady, notably some of his posting regarding the claim doesn’t sit well with me

[Gamma Emerald]

Asking me what my read there is after I vote there on my own feels pretty useless tbh

[Naerys]

Asking me what my read there is after I vote there on my own feels pretty useless tbh

If i dont understand something i obviously ask about it.

[Gamma Emerald]

That was regarding Black’s post, not you.

[Naerys]

Okay, my bad then.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

This is from memory so especially for unstyled players I might be missing something. Excuse my word vomit. This is in playerlist order, and is not an indicator of the relative strength of any of my reads within the tiers except where it is noted specifically.

Bold

means I want that player dead today if I can have my way, would prefer to wagon here.
no style means the player is in my D1 POE, I'll join a wagon on any of these players unless I see a good reason not to

strike

means I will not vote that player unless it is required to get a lim before deadline"

• Gamma Emerald (in the process of reading her past games but I do feel like the righteousness is fake here. So far I've only read 2 games' ISOs. One had no righteousness as town, and the other had righteousness that I identified correctly as genuine and she was town in that game. I'm reading the ISOs and making assessments before checking her alignment to prevent biasing myself because I think I could be overconfident here)
  
• Random Nurse (got townvibes from him but he's been gone a while now and the vibes are not strong enough to clear him of POE. he, like Timmer, is "just under" my POE line)
  
• Celebloki
  (I think he scumslipped, nobody agrees)
  
• Naerys
  (Think she is hard to process because of the wording of her posts but detailed reading indicates towniness to me - see my tl;dr'ed post for full details)
  
• davesaz
  (see my ISO for the original issues - iirc it was mostly that his posting felt very focused on an easy-to-take stance on Keyleth's playstyle. More recently I feel he's undermining both my TR on Naerys and my SR on Hu Tao and there's not much time left in the Day to resolve that toDay.)
  
• Hu Tao
  (see my tl;dr post + I don't believe the claim + risk/reward of limming them is favorable imo + I'm also of the opinion people don't care about the math and want to believe a doctor will save the game somehow when realistically speaking this is not going to happen)
  
• Broccoli Quest 2 (Not sure why but I vaguely feel like
  striking
  BQ2. Like I can't remember anything specific like I do for most other players, except that early on I was wary to TR them and more recently I've felt generally better about their posts.)
  
• Guillotina (his vote on my wagon just now was stinky but otherwise I think he's contributing, though I do think Black's point that he keeps repeating he "has his own reasons" to scumread someone whenever he sheeps somewhere is scum-indicative and almost pushes Guillo into the
  bold
  for me)
  
• gob, replaced Cat Scratch Fever
  
• Keyleth (I'm reminded of Toriel's Patience but her playstyle feels like it would be easy to fake so I'm not hard committed to any TR here)
  
• Dunnstral
  (Miller claim)
  
• KawaiiKame
  (Early TR from direct interactions)
  
• TimmerRC
  (vote on me seems town-motivated, Timmer's "just over" the POE line for me)
  
• Elements
  
• Andresvmb
  
• Black
  (Really thinks she caught scum between me and Keyleth and also felt pretty genuine when she was scumreading me and guillo as partners)

[Black]

Asking me what my read there is after I vote there on my own feels pretty useless tbh

Huh? I just wanted to know why you think he's scum...

[Black]

This shade feels weird

[Gamma Emerald]

Asking me what my read there is after I vote there on my own feels pretty useless tbh

Huh? I just wanted to know why you think he's scum...

That’s not the specific thing you wrote though

[Black]

Asking me what my read there is after I vote there on my own feels pretty useless tbh

Huh? I just wanted to know why you think he's scum...

That’s not the specific thing you wrote though

I can understand the confusion but it's obvious that you scumread him. I wanted to know the specifics behind that

[Gamma Emerald]

I have autism so being vague will cause me headaches. Please be more exact with your wording.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

so far I'm 2 for 2 at identifying the righteousness as town when it is town, yet to find a scumgame with righteousness

[Dunnstral]

I find it hard to believe that Hu Tao thinks Guillo's ISO is entirely about them unless Hu Tao is hyper-aware of Guillo's pressure because Hu Tao, as scum, is nervous about town!Guillo catching them here.

You show that Guillotina's posts are largely not about Hu Tao and that Hu Tao is mistaken here, but I am not seeing th is as scum myself. Saying they are hyper-aware because they are scum is not something I find convincing.

[Gamma Emerald]

so far I'm 2 for 2 at identifying the righteousness as town when it is town, yet to find a scumgame with righteousness

please post the links of all game’s you’re searching within