Mini Normal 2319: Flavorless Hell | Day 5
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Maybe it is just Hu Tao here-
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Looking over her ISO I'm seeing a lot of similarities to Mini Normal 1094 that just ended
I think one of Hu's scumtells is that she's slightly more verbose than usual. And she gets defensive while calling people that attack her defensive. She literally called me defensive in 1094 in almost the exact same way that she did in 56. I think one of her tactics as scum is to undermine people pushing her by calling them defensive-
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She locktowned Drew for "making so much sense" and has maintained that the entire game without ever second guessing herself. I don't think the strength of that read feels natural. It feels more like a pocket attempt-
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This reminds me of another moment in 1094 where Hu tried to push me for bad reasons and then backed off in a real appease-y type wayIn post 156, Hu Tao wrote:
Okay, maybe that's my misunderstanding thenIn post 131, Altaria wrote:In post 125, Hu Tao wrote: Yes. Post 45 seems forced, they voted me based on the gob vote but I never explained my gob vote. If they were curious about it then they would have just asked me before voting or suspecting me.
dragoneater is right. your "why" made me feel like you were concerned about the vote and i didn't like how you accepted "why not" as an answer originallyIn post 126, DragonEater70 wrote: I didn't get the impression she voted you for 31, I thought she was voting you for 39 and 41
i'm not sure how this wasn't obvious to you after 55?
also i disagree with the assessment that i would have just asked you about it before putting pressure on you. sometimes people use voting as a way to communicate
This was an awful take and a complete misrep over the state of the game at the timeIn post 362, Hu Tao wrote: I think we need a flip. This game seems ro be the same conversation in different ways to me.
This looks really bad in hindsightIn post 397, Hu Tao wrote: I'm also starting to get sus of Gob but I'm not sure why.
Hu comes across as pretty defensive hereIn post 510, Hu Tao wrote:
I started the gob quick wagon. So if I'm scum are you saying I'm saving my scum teammate dragon after making him claim? Or are you saying I'm scum who wanted to remove pressure off one town to another?In post 508, Altaria wrote:
that's certainly one way to phrase itIn post 506, Hu Tao wrote:
So I'm scum because I'm not putting enough effort in for your liking?In post 483, Altaria wrote: how am i sheeping umlaut when i expressed suspicion there before he even voted?
i'll admit i considered not going there because i'm still somewhat suspicious of umlaut but i think the way hu tao has tagged along on both the dragon and gob wagons outweighs those worries about umlaut
i'm a little wary of you and aliana but y'all are both putting in more effort than hu tao. i think celebloki and drew are town, and i know i'm town, so i'm not sure why you think it's a bad look for me to push hu tao here
i think you could be scum because you're not really doing much solving, you want to end the day for a reason i don't think makes much sense, and you're just jumping from wagon to wagon without much reasoning-
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I've been thinking that the last scum is someone that has been scumreading Dragon and putting him in their solves. Hu Tao has been doing that more than anyone-
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Hu Tao is also doing the least amount of solving and seems to just be lurking through the game not saying much of anything. I kinda thought it was lazy town but now I just think it's scum motivated-
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I'm gonna do a deep dive on this tomorrow morning when I can use my PC
In the meantime, Hu I think you should probably give as many reads as possible. And be detailed about them-
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>.>In post 1086, Hu Tao wrote: No Elim is still the best to do now and not latersince scum haven't killed twice in a rowbut I can't be bothered to try to argue here.-
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I know I said I would deep dive tomorrow but in the Arby's drive thru and I feel like I found a deep wolf and it's gotten me excited-
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This is a lie. Gob's name didn't come out of nowhereIn post 882, Hu Tao wrote:
I would bus, but not bring my partners name out of no where and say quick wagon it. Either way. We wait for dragon.In post 877, Black wrote: Hmm. Hu Tao did bus their scum buddy in Mini Normal 1094 that just ended, so it's possible
I think Hu Tao bussed in this game just like she did in her last game-
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Hu wanted to make sure I'm not a threatIn post 669, Hu Tao wrote:
Are you still able to vig?In post 655, Black wrote: I still think the correct play is to fade me here but give me time, let me talk some things out so you all are better set up to solve this when I'm gone
Spoiler: Hu Tao pushed HARD for the massclaim-
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VOTE: Hu Tao
Locking this in-
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I've made it no secret that my top 2 are Drew and Hu Tao. They seem to be oddly protective of each other though. Especially considering they can't be buddies atp.-
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Yeah you've been consistent with that
I'm actually taking you out of my preferred eliminations chain. I think you're just town now that I finally see how scummy Hu Tao has been. I wish I had seen it earlier
Hu --> Dann --> Drew but I really feel like we win the game after fading Hu-
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Hu Tao trying to cement the narrative that she was the champion of the gob wagon is for me the biggest smoking gun. Yeah, she lightly shaded him and said she'd be into a flash wagon, but she only voted after others did. Then she didn't push it at all after that. Then she comes in here the next day saying she led the D1 wagon on scum.-
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She also supported no limming twice and I really think 1086 was a slip. If her plan is to reduce the PoE as little as possible and to also frame people while also floating the narrative that Dragon could be scum, the no limming and no killing makes a ton of sense in a scum!Hu world-
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Killing gera also fits in with ^ this plan. If Hu is scum then she wants to give us as little information as possible and let us beat each other up while she coasts on "I can't be scum because I led the gob wagon"-
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I think Hu Tao is more defensive as scum than she is town. Town!Hu typically brushes off scumreads from what I've noticed, or she'll ask "Why?" or something that indicates she's genuinely thinking about her attacker's alignment. But scum!Hu is visibly bothered by the scumreads and can't help but respond/react to themIn post 52, Hu Tao wrote:
Well this is a fake read. You didn't even ask the reason as to why I voted gob in the first place so how could you know this?In post 45, Altaria wrote: VOTE: Hu Tao
doesn't really feel like she's trying to read gob here she just seems more concerned that she's being voted for
VOTE: altaria
This feels like Hu was trying to get me to look elsewhere, while also goading me to "town it up" and using the fact that she might reconsider her read on me if I do. She wanted me off her trail immediatelyIn post 72, Hu Tao wrote:
It is still early, if you town it up I can reconsider. At the moment I don't see it. What are your other reads at the moment? I know it's earlyIn post 65, Altaria wrote:In post 60, Hu Tao wrote:
Then why not vote me?In post 58, Altaria wrote: scumreading me for a fake read even after i re-evaluated that read doesn't make me feel like you are trying to sort me in good faith
i don't really think you're scum tbh. i'm more inclined to believe you just want to be right here which is preventing you from re-evaluating meIn post 61, Hu Tao wrote: Seems like you're saying this for validation rather than an actual scumread-
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I wasn't really defending Hu, just she was the only person really listening to what I was saying when I was going at it with Black. I was a bit weary of how strongly she was town reading me, but I also have played a bunch with her as of late(is she should have a decent grasp of my town game).
Now that being said, I definitely could see her as a deep wolf. I feel I was probably a bit blinded by my frustration to see it earlier, but I definitely could see myself voting there.
Also Black, a bit a a funny aside. I thought about how the interactions we had earlier in the game remind me of how Flavor Leaf and I interact in basically every game where are in together(mostly both town). We butt heads and call each other scum, then have a magical moment where we realize we are both town. Sometimes happens quicker than others, but we get there lol.
You are Flavor 2.0 to me'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
'doctor drew our hero' - Shiki
'I love playing with him, he's got an amazing presence to him that just feels like the game is lacking something when he's not there' - JacksonVirgo-
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Maybe that's why FL annoys me so much
I hope I'm not as annoying as him tbh-
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I actually really like playing with him.In post 1169, Black wrote: Maybe that's why FL annoys me so much
I hope I'm not as annoying as him tbh
But, you definitely don't as much of a healthy ego as him haha.'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
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Honestly I shouldn't be so hateful towards him. I've only played with him once and he was scum, and the way he pushed me in bad faith just made me super annoyed. He was just doing his job thoughIn post 1170, Doctor Drew wrote:
I actually really like playing with him.In post 1169, Black wrote: Maybe that's why FL annoys me so much
I hope I'm not as annoying as him tbh
But, you definitely don't as much of a healthy ego as him haha.-
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I don't think I've ever seen town!Hu ask a question like this. It reads as her trying to get an idea on where she can safely pushIn post 257, Hu Tao wrote: I feel disengaged, maybe since recent talk has been meta.
Who does everyone think has had the worst day so far? (Not meta related)-
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Another case of Hu Tao getting defensive and throwing shade for no real reasonIn post 385, Hu Tao wrote:
Sus post by you. Just because others scumread him, doesn't mean I have to be inclined to feel the sameIn post 383, Umlaut wrote:
It looks to me like plenty is happening. What's the hurry?In post 362, Hu Tao wrote: I think we need a flip. This game seems ro be the same conversation in different ways to me.
Also, why don't you think a Drew flip is possible when like half the game has scumread/voted him at some point?-
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Yet another case of Hu Tao getting defensive and calling someone scum after they scumread her. Seems like a common discredit technique from her. She likes to undermine scumreads on her in this wayIn post 511, Hu Tao wrote:In post 428, Hu Tao wrote: If you wantIn post 430, Hu Tao wrote: I'm also fine with a gob flash wagonYou literally followed my lead, then complained about it after.
Altaria could be scum, maybe I was right before.
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