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[Guillotina]

If I recall correctly, she did fake claim doctor while being wagoned as VT in the past

And they've never done it as scum?

[Guillotina]

Do you think it's scum indicative? I think it might be because I know Hu Tao's wagon is shit.

I've always hated naked votes. If it was not because Roden is Cat's replacement whom I believe was spewed town from Gamma's reaction to their push, I would be hard pressuring them.

[Guillotina]

Guillotina could you please quote the posts that spew Elements town in your opinion?

Did you check my association analysis I posted on day 1? If not, then do that first.

[Guillotina]

In any event, I haven’t read why Hu Tao is getting pushed today for some claim, but that’s a really easy way to lose the game (focusing on claims versus play).

I disagree.

Hu Tao claimed vanilla which I didn't believe, i thought it was a shitpost claim. Then later on as they got in a lot of pressure, they claimed Doctor, we let them live because we figure such a claim would be resolved in two nights max, no doctor claim lives that long unless scum wanna WIFOM.
Then Celeb today outed Hu Tao as Vanilla.

Why is this scummy?

Because when they claimed they could have baited a real Doctor claim which is what scum do as a last ditch before getting yeeted, either hoping to be believed or to force a real doctor claim.
And second although it was an effect beyond their control, they baited a cop check too.

We can't trust Hu Tao, I, for one, know that in an F3 scenario where i'm part of it with Hu Tao and someone else, I won't be able to ignore this and vote Hu Tao out. I will not be the schmuck who let mafia win after fake claiming doctor all things considered as outlined above.

[Guillotina]

Gamma
tried to imply the Doctor claim could come from scum by claiming Gunsmith, a role that would be able to clear Millers but would get a false positive on a Scum Doctor.

Show me this please

[Guillotina]

@Guillotina

Spoiler: quoted a large post

This

Summary

Still pretending I'm an spectator where Guillotina is not me.

Not mafia/mafia

Hu/Guillo
Random Nurse/Guillo
Gamma/Guillo
Timmer/Guillo
Celebloki/Guillo
Black/Guillo
Kawaii/Guillo
Kyo/Guillo
Naerys/Guillo
Kyo/Kawaii
Dunn/Elements
Dave/Elements
Black/Elements
Gamma/Elements
Gamma/Random Nurse
Hu Tao/Timmer

What does this mean?

In a world where my pre-flip associations are 100% accurate (they've never been 100% accurate before, but really close they have).

Guillo

is unaligned with 9 players
Element is unaligned with with 4 Players
Gamma is unaligned 2 Players

This means that if Guillo was scum in this game, He spewed half the game town on Day 1 alone, and it would have been really easy to pinpoint who his teammates were, from the remaining players. Too bad Guillo is town, though.

This also means that if any of those 9 are scum, Guillo is spewed town from them
Counterpoint to that would be, Guillo did some premium distancing, but I'm hopeful that if any of them flip scum, Guillo would have helped town to prove his worth and loyalty besides this spew.

Elements

flipping scum would spew Dunn, Dave, Black and Gamma town.

Gamma

flipping scum would hard spew Elements and Random Nurse town.

Timmer

flipping scum would clear

Hu

and Vice versa.

Conclusion

Guillo being unaligned with 9 players out of 16 makes him thread spew town or the best infoyeet of 2023 if the majority of players here suspect him that much.

Elements would clear a whooping total of 4 players town, so if these two were scum together, the game would be pretty much on auto mode.

I can confirm that Guillo is not scum, so we are not living in a perfect world where town auto this shit.

Hopefully this injects my thoughts and process in the thread and I have helped you determine whether I deserve the sussuspicion I've gotten so far or not, as well as some insights about the interactions between some of the players.
If you have questions or concerns about this post or my previous posts, let me know.
Hopefully when I come back I'll have more info to analyze, but for now, good night.

VOTE: Celebloki

This

I'm at page 11

Gamma Emerald - lean scum

Spoiler:

I claim miller

Same

jfc

Strange reaction

Gamma you've still got your rvs vote on me, why?

haven’t felt a need to move it
VOTE: KawaiiKame
They pinged me somewhat with how they unvoted kyouko, not strongly though

I feel like forgetting your vote is +scum and this reads a bit hedge-y

Random Nurse
Celebloki
Naerys-

For now my first impressions are that dave and both millers could be town.
Still too far from finding a scum, but its a start.

Was it just for the question he asked or was there more to it?

davesaz
Hu Tao - town

Spoiler: I townread all of these quotes

VT

I understand why people claim miller early on, but why throw out a VT claim on page 1? I'm coming to this site mostly from a background where claiming was against the rules, so I would love to hear how claiming this helps the town.

So scum will not target me and I can last till end game. I believe in myself to find scum as long as I'm alive long enough. Now I just need to be towny enough to not be voted out. I've eliminated half of the work.

I think Hu Tao was just joking with the VT claim

Nope. I'm VT

Timmer feels town so far

The "I'm terrible at D1" feels more like a townie trying to explain why he doesn't have many reads as opposed to Mafia worried about their optics

They seem curious but scum can also be curious so I'm not giving them that easy of a town read so far.

Elements is a champion baffler for sure.

I'm not inclined to vote for the millers. I think I agree with Gamma's take.

Not sure why but this post gives me scum pings. I wish I could tell you why

I belive Dunn and ssbm's claim. Unless the small chance they are scum together or scum informed of miller's in this game. Either way, I wouldn't want them today at the very least. If there are actual millers, there is likely a way to confirm that somehow regardless.

Broccoli Quest 2
Guillotina
Cat Scratch Fever
Keyleth
Dunnstral - I was inclined to believe the miller claim out of the gate but kind of hate his posting (sorry). I dunno
KawaiiKame - town
ssbm_Kyouko - town
TimmerRC - early posts spoilered below kinda pinged scum but then 111 was good

Spoiler:

VT

I understand why people claim miller early on, but why throw out a VT claim on page 1? I'm coming to this site mostly from a background where claiming was against the rules, so I would love to hear how claiming this helps the town.

It's been awhile, remind me why voting millers is the best option?

Elements - town for having zero filter and just livetweeting every thought she has into the void
Andresvmb
Black

Your read on me sucks ass
viewtopic.php?t=91760
Read that and try telling me my reaction to two miller claims happening doesn’t make sense!
As for my vote, I didn’t forget, I just hadn’t been strongly pinged by anything by that time

And Kyouko's meta case on Gamma

Are what I would outline as hard spew from Gamma.

So to summarize, in my opinion, besides myself, these are the players that completely look unaligned from Gamma.

Elements
Random Nurse
Cat person slot
Kyouko

When you made 595 did you have quotes to support Gamma/Guillo, RN/Gamma, and Elements/Gamma all not being scum together? I think reading 569 that excluding CSF/gob/Roden slot as a Gamma partner maybe makes sense, so if you had quotes for the others in notes or in a previous post could you share?

It is in my ISO, the association posts that lead to that conclusion wall post, ISO me.

[Guillotina]

Hmm

UNVOTE:

A lot of sense is being made regarding Hu. I'm not ready to give her a clear the rest of the game, but I can agree that she's not a good lim today. At the very least we know she's not a scum PR and so effort is probably best going elsewhere.

Hu Tao is a highly likely a goon, and a scum dead is a scum dead.

[Guillotina]

I'm not sure what to make of guillotine at the moment.

I intend to get you executed today.

[Guillotina]

Hu Tao - known liar, fake claims as scum a lot, possible distancing.

Can someone else confirm this?

[Guillotina]

Broccoli Quest 2 - I get a TMI vibe. Can't really point to anything specific without more flips

TMI on whom or what?

[Guillotina]

Anyway I still think there is/was one scum on Hu Tao's wagon and since I TR everyone else (except Naerys who's just null town), I am going to VOTE: Roden

I oppose their elimination over Hu Tao

[Guillotina]

I feel town is at a point where they are about to get complacent after Gamma's lucky death by making suboptimal plays.

[Hu Tao]

I think that's not the case

[Broccoli Quest 2]

This sounds like town!Naerys to me.

Care to give me Naerys' full meta? Are they the kind of player that I should have low expectations from?

I am not really sure what "full meta" means, but Naerys tends to semi-lurk, semi-scum hunt, and be overdefensive as town. Which is what she's been doing here.
Additionally her tone sounds similar to her town games but I actually think there's a reasonable chance she could fake that tone as scum so that's probably NAI.

I know who the real doctor is. I thought it was pretty obvious? Check my ISO.

If the doctor is anyone else other than Hu Tao, why are you defending Hu Tao?
I'm not interested in getting the doctor outted, but how did you come by this info considering Celeb is the role cop?

I'd rather not say how I know the doctor's identity.
I've been defending Hu Tao because she retracted the Doc claim (which I thought was scummy), because I believed her VT claim is real (which it probably is), because all of her posting toDay gutpinged me town a lot, and because Gamma, flipped scum, was pretty focused on limming Hu Tao yesterday (in a way that doesn't feel like bussing to me).

[Broccoli Quest 2]

If I recall correctly, she did fake claim doctor while being wagoned as VT in the past

And they've never done it as scum?

I don't think they did it the way it was done here, but even if they did, it would just be slightly scum indicative (due to meta partially nullifying it), and balanced by the other points in my above post.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Guillotina could you please quote the posts that spew Elements town in your opinion?

Did you check my association analysis I posted on day 1? If not, then do that first.

Just did, I guess I see it. However Elements has been playing incredibly scummy today, including lurking and then soft-omgusing by riding on dave's vague SR of me.

Hu Tao - known liar, fake claims as scum a lot, possible distancing.

Can someone else confirm this?

There was one game where she mindread the cop and faked a guilty on them before they could guilty her.

Don't recall any other fake claims as scum

[Broccoli Quest 2]

I feel town is at a point where they are about to get complacent after Gamma's lucky death by making suboptimal plays.

I agree, but I think the suboptimal play is limming Hu Tao.

Can you explain why you'd oppose Roden?

[Dunnstral]

This sounds like town!Naerys to me.

Care to give me Naerys' full meta? Are they the kind of player that I should have low expectations from?

I am not really sure what "full meta" means, but Naerys tends to semi-lurk, semi-scum hunt, and be overdefensive as town. Which is what she's been doing here.
Additionally her tone sounds similar to her town games but I actually think there's a reasonable chance she could fake that tone as scum so that's probably NAI.

I know who the real doctor is. I thought it was pretty obvious? Check my ISO.

If the doctor is anyone else other than Hu Tao, why are you defending Hu Tao?
I'm not interested in getting the doctor outted, but how did you come by this info considering Celeb is the role cop?

I'd rather not say how I know the doctor's identity.
I've been defending Hu Tao because she retracted the Doc claim (which I thought was scummy), because I believed her VT claim is real (which it probably is), because all of her posting toDay gutpinged me town a lot, and because Gamma, flipped scum, was pretty focused on limming Hu Tao yesterday (in a way that doesn't feel like bussing to me).

Hu Tao retracted the Doc claim because they were investigated as Vanilla...

[Broccoli Quest 2]

This sounds like town!Naerys to me.

Care to give me Naerys' full meta? Are they the kind of player that I should have low expectations from?

I am not really sure what "full meta" means, but Naerys tends to semi-lurk, semi-scum hunt, and be overdefensive as town. Which is what she's been doing here.
Additionally her tone sounds similar to her town games but I actually think there's a reasonable chance she could fake that tone as scum so that's probably NAI.

I know who the real doctor is. I thought it was pretty obvious? Check my ISO.

If the doctor is anyone else other than Hu Tao, why are you defending Hu Tao?
I'm not interested in getting the doctor outted, but how did you come by this info considering Celeb is the role cop?

I'd rather not say how I know the doctor's identity.
I've been defending Hu Tao because she retracted the Doc claim (which I thought was scummy), because I believed her VT claim is real (which it probably is), because all of her posting toDay gutpinged me town a lot, and because Gamma, flipped scum, was pretty focused on limming Hu Tao yesterday (in a way that doesn't feel like bussing to me).

Hu Tao retracted the Doc claim because they were investigated as Vanilla...

So what

[Broccoli Quest 2]

As I said, I believed the Day 1 VT claim

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Let me explain something.

Scum!Hu Tao would not retract the claim the way they did here. They would hard push Celebloki to a lim.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

davesaz should know what I an talking about

[Random Nurse]

This sounds like town!Naerys to me.

Care to give me Naerys' full meta? Are they the kind of player that I should have low expectations from?

I am not really sure what "full meta" means, but Naerys tends to semi-lurk, semi-scum hunt, and be overdefensive as town. Which is what she's been doing here.
Additionally her tone sounds similar to her town games but I actually think there's a reasonable chance she could fake that tone as scum so that's probably NAI.

I know who the real doctor is. I thought it was pretty obvious? Check my ISO.

If the doctor is anyone else other than Hu Tao, why are you defending Hu Tao?
I'm not interested in getting the doctor outted, but how did you come by this info considering Celeb is the role cop?

I'd rather not say how I know the doctor's identity.
I've been defending Hu Tao because she retracted the Doc claim (which I thought was scummy), because I believed her VT claim is real (which it probably is), because all of her posting toDay gutpinged me town a lot, and because Gamma, flipped scum, was pretty focused on limming Hu Tao yesterday (in a way that doesn't feel like bussing to me).

Hu Tao retracted the Doc claim because they were investigated as Vanilla...

So what

What do you mean "so what?," Broccoli?

She recanted the VT claim after a PR investigative claimed she was Vanilla.

This is the optimal lim for tday, otherwise it will drag down the game until it is resolved.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Nuh uh

If you REALLY want to, we can maybe lim her tomorrow (but I'd rather she just gets investigated, because I'm sure we don't have only a singe investigation role this game).

In any case, she's not today's lim. Today we should lim scum.

[Random Nurse]

Nuh uh

If you REALLY want to, we can maybe lim her tomorrow (but I'd rather she just gets investigated, because I'm sure we don't have only a singe investigation role this game).

In any case, she's not today's lim. Today we should lim scum.

She already was investigated.

She is today's lim.