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[Broccoli Quest 2]

So, Celebloki did not lie about his claim on Hu Tao.

Let's flip Hu Tao.

Let's not. Didn't you see how not limming Hu Tao yesterday resulted in a scum death?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Honestly if half the playerlist already claimed, I would like a full massclaim

Order:

Timmer
Andres
davesaz
Kyouko (confirm whether just miller or additional abilities)
Dunn (same as kyo)
Nurse
Broccoli



Already claimed:
Enchant - VT
Elements - VT
Hu Tao - VT
Guillo - 2 Shot indecisive doctor
Naerys - 1 shot FN

Don't remember what Timmer said, maybe vanilla?
Andres alternating Messenger/FN (I think odd/even respectively?) with FN confirmed by Dunn

Are we going to do this? I would like an explicit yes or no on my request for you to go first.

We already started the massclaim. I'm fine with letting you go last but that means it's Dunn's turn right now.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

I'm a "Macho Combined Bodyguard Disloyal Vigilante."

Ooooh exciting. Do you have any innos?

[Broccoli Quest 2]

I misunderstood the claim a little, I just looked up what combined does.

Macho means they can't be protected. Combined means they use both of their abilities on the same target. Disloyal means that action only targets opposite alignments.

So assuming town, this role targets only mafia with a night kill, but then Random Nurse dies due to the bodyguard. Though it also looks like the bodyguard can be used on its own on town players, since the vigilante part does not activate.

So Random Nurse should be announcing their targets ahead of time, otherwise they die during the night and we have no idea where they targeted.

Yeah. I'm thinking he should target Hu Tao tonight.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

So you die if you protect mafia member? Meh.


Targets?

Haven't used it yet because I didn't understand it.

If I target Town do I and then due? It if I target Scum?

I can't be protected so do I figured I'd claim it and then Town can discuss how to best use it.

If you target town, you protect them like a bodyguard, meaning you die instead of them if they are killed but survive otherwise. If you target scum, you just immediately die.

Scum can obviously nightkill you in order to "frame" your target but it will be obvious that they did since there will be only one death instead of two, so the target isn't really framed (but we don't get a hard inno).

On the other hand if you survive, we get a hard inno, and if you die in addition to somebody else we get a hard guilty.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

I'm a "Macho Combined Bodyguard Disloyal Vigilante."

Um. So why would we have 3 protectives?

Nurse's role is an extremely weak protective and is actually believable, unlike Roden's. In fact Nurse's role is an investigation role.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Okay target Timmer imo. Enough people tr me that it'll be a waste.

Nah. He should target person he suspects most (which is you).

[Broccoli Quest 2]

These complex roles are beyond me. Can anyone summarize the basic case on Elements?

I don't think there's any case on Elements tbh

I think we can vote enchant now

Yeah let's

Unless anyone thinks Timmer is the better option

[Hu Tao]

I prefer enchant now.

[Hu Tao]

I'm voting already. Idk the vote count

[Dunnstral]

I'm a miller and nothing else

[Broccoli Quest 2]

So only me and davesaz are left

I'm a VT

[Broccoli Quest 2]

Claims:

Hu Tao - VT
Elements - VT
Broccoli Quest 2 - VT
Enchant - VT
TimmerRC - VT
Dunnstral - Miller
ssbm_Kyouko - Miller
Andresvmb - Odd Night Messenger Even Night Friendly Neighbor
Naerys - 1-Shot Friendly Neighbor
Guillotina - 2-Shot Indecisive Doctor
Random Nurse - Macho Combined Bodyguard Disloyal Vigilante
davesaz - ???

Flips:

Black - Baby Hider :p
Celeb - Rolecop
Kawaii - VT

Gamma - Goon
Roden - Complex Alien

[TimmerRC]

These complex roles are beyond me. Can anyone summarize the basic case on Elements?

I don't think there's any case on Elements tbh

Sorry I meant Enchant, this is the state of things for me right now, lol.

[Broccoli Quest 2]

The case for Enchant is that most other people are either cleared or I have a very strong reason to think are town.

Like I believe all 2 scum are within you, Enchant, Hu Tao and Elements 90% of the time. And I am townreading Hu Tao and Elements so don't want to go for them first.

[Hu Tao]

I should be nowhere in that list

[TimmerRC]

Okay, I'll go with it. I'm resigned to playing catch up.

VOTE: Enchant

[Hu Tao]

There is a world where guillotine and Naerys are scum together. Scum has a role cop and they knew about the 1 shot friendly neighbor. But I think no need to worry about that for now.

[davesaz]

Thanks Broccoli.

If Enchant is scum then the other scum already knows this, and if not then it's pretty useless aside from giving scum an impossible POE.
I'm a Town Neighborizer. I neighborized Enchant, hoping for good side discussion. Basically nothing said in the hood. Combined with their posting today I think we have a scum lim coming, as I would have expected town!Enchant to talk my ears off.

My n1 target of Dunn didn't work. I know why not, and that info doesn't help town right now (it's something useless we basically already know that was confirmed). Keeping it quiet could be crucial for tomorrow or it could be inconsequential, so I'd like to play the odds and hope for crucial. If scum decide to kill me over a conf (yeah right but jic) then at least you'll be able to interpret that result.

I'd kinda like to look for a scum PR instead of the goon that I think Enchant would flip, but it's almost torture to not lim at this point. I have no idea of the count and want to allow for coordination if desired, but consider this intent.

[Elements]

VOTE: enchant

[Enchant]

I disagree i told you that neighborizer suck, which is truth.

If you want to talk with me, do so in thread. Simple "hey i talked with enchant i think enchant is townie" is useless at best.
If you wanted to really get atleast some usefulness, you would target potential PR to act as shield for them. You know, information which WORTH IT sharing privately.

[Random Nurse]

So, Celebloki did not lie about his claim on Hu Tao.

Let's flip Hu Tao.

Let's not. Didn't you see how not limming Hu Tao yesterday resulted in a scum death?

So in your mind that *MUST* mean Hu Tao can't possibly be Scum?

If HT does flip Scum before you, well, I will be zeroing in on you next.

[Enchant]

I looked on claims:
2 Innocents from Miller claims with Town Role Cop in game. And Broccoli scared everyone off from checking Millers (which would result in confirmation of being town and mafia being boxed).
2 Innocents from Friendly Neighboors. These most belivable if targets alive. I don't care to look who targets are.
Possible Innocents from "Bodyguard abomination". But let's be honest, using it to get guilties is unlikely option from this point on.

I believe bodyguard and both FN claims. I don't believe Millers.


Vote VOTE: Broccoli for now. For someone who tries to solve mech, they are surprisingly vindicative.

[Random Nurse]

So regarding my role the general consensus is just "you target whoever you suspect the most"?

The reason I brought it up is because I wanted to see what the rest of Town thought and also share who should be targeted. Maybe their collective insight could lead to a better target.

[Random Nurse]

I looked on claims:
2 Innocents from Miller claims with Town Role Cop in game. And Broccoli scared everyone off from checking Millers (which would result in confirmation of being town and mafia being boxed).
2 Innocents from Friendly Neighboors. These most belivable if targets alive. I don't care to look who targets are.
Possible Innocents from "Bodyguard abomination". But let's be honest, using it to get guilties is unlikely option from this point on.

I believe bodyguard and both FN claims. I don't believe Millers.


Vote VOTE: Broccoli for now. For someone who tries to solve mech, they are surprisingly vindicative.

*vindictive.