open 896: describing conker (game over)

[Dannflor]

hi ydrasse

i want to kill shiki

shiki maybe wants to kill you

we have 24 hours

who do you wanna kill

[shiki]

Ok gamers I'm just stuck right now. Essentially I wanted to look at other people in the big hood who hadn't been posting much like Afrayed and Dann but I've come to the realisation I can't rly do that without solving Fire first. He's the one person left in the POE so in order to break past that I need to justify to my head why I can let myself push past that.

The issue is I don't know how to solve Fire because he's mostly just been pushing me in recent pages and I don't know how to separate my bias from just objectively analysing the push. It's completely broke my brain lol. Like I think the push is just a bit shit and uses one mid read of mine to justify continuing to sit on me for the entire game, but it doesn't look like anyone in the game actually agrees with me on this so is it just bias?

I've wanted to maybe look at associatives in the small hood but with El there's been little interaction (El was on the push onto Fire but El's been on p much every push this game lmao) and Ari's 575 feels like way too easy of a fold on what is a good point towards me being town so I think both of the sussy small hood gamers are likely to be with a scum!Fire in a scum!Fire world, tho based on gamestate I prefer my vote being on El right now.

I'll be honest Dann and Ari just seem like they're talking past each other based on a skim, but I've not had the energy to properly analyse any recent posting so take that with a grain of salt.

this post is so odd to me - time traveler energy feels so removed from everything around it

and solving afrayed knott or dannflor solves fireisredsir i don't really understand why there need be any order whatsoever

solving anyone person in the big hood solves them all

basically what happened was that i was just really distracted by the push. like the scummiest person in the big hood from my POV is pushing me for shit reasons i just like could not look away no matter how hard i tried.

tho i like dann right now a lot. the ari thing could've been opportunistic but the combative approach to gunning for you all of a sudden is so townie. dann is here making things happen and i love that.

in terms of the read on you i don't think i agree but also i have zero knowledge on the black meta so how can I? the thing that pings me on your slot is the double replacement with replacements being typically more scum indicative for a slot, but i don't think that's worth a push whatsoever and nothing you've said has pinged me as scummy so far so it would feel a bit unfair.

i agree we should just take a shot in the small hood, we've not got much time left and i don't really see a big hood member i'd be happy to consolidate on bar maybe fire.

pedit: ok big 1v1 happening but i'm hanging out with the gf now so I'll get to reading it at some point

eh trying to center game on 1v1 with me towny in that it’s like, would scum!dannflor think that’s likely enough to result in my being eliminated or! think it is risk free enough like that it couldn’t turn towards him but eh

like i said it doesn’t really have any town benefit either and it doesn’t seem that unlikely of an approach for scums to take to my replace in

[shiki]

when you could just like interact with me in a way that gives you a chance to see that i’m town if you’re town

ok do your thing and try to find scum

you're right that engaging you like this isn't really doing anything to change my mind

well because it isn’t meant to like saying ‘push me let’s 1v1’ has no possible town benefit if you’re town and gives me no chance to be town from your point of view because then it’s just purely - - -

mostly im just trying to get you take a concrete stance on me

i wanted to see if egging you on would like make you mad or get you to scum read me harder or something

would rather not play on the ‘let’s make shiki mad to determine alignment angle’ - a) i mostly just get frustrated with inability to communicate and that’s regardless of alignment

and all of the things i noted are my stance - still don’t really understand what your expectation of me is with regards to how i share my thoughts - like you can just ask me for what you want and I’ll try to provide (unless it’s still like Do You Think I’m A Scums Or Nah which is just not how i think about things - more likely than some in big hood I think but such a large gap between that and utmost confidence)

[shiki]

b) makes the game less fun

[shiki]

is your preference elements?

probably ydrasse as of this exact moment but not feeling great about that either

what edges ydrasse out for you over the other two?

aristeia has felt towny to me at times and elements approach has felt very far from scum!elements i am familiar with but need to look at more games when i get off work

[shiki]

it’s really not condemnation of ydrasse or anything and 24 hours is enough time for me to hopefully see if she’s town

[Ydrasse]

hi ydrasse

i want to kill shiki

shiki maybe wants to kill you

we have 24 hours

who do you wanna kill

not a clue!
i’ve checked out from the game so my memory of the smaller details is decimated but i don’t want to vote fire or daisy for today. and i think maybe not afrayed?

in the small hood it would be a functional coinflip, i’ve went back and forth on both of them too much to feel comfortable placing a vote. i think elements has felt less towny but idk the % on that is… not high in terms of confidence.

[Ydrasse]

i guess elements by that has had moments that felt a bit more lamisty and enmeshed in meta as a defense more than like… game content being townier.

[Elements]

VOTE: shiki

[shiki]

+/ why tho?

[shiki]

like if you have doubts about my alignment the solution isn’t to just vote me

[shiki]

won’t help you sort me won’t help me sort you

[Elements]

won’t help you sort me won’t help me sort you

Don't need to do either if you're flipped

[Elements]

huh

Maybe I am just following Dann around

[shiki]

won’t help you sort me won’t help me sort you

Don't need to do either if you're flipped

okay but i’m town and if you’re town miseliming in the big hood presents lose condition like from my pov it’s at least 1/5 to hit rather than 1/6 from yours and i’m still not confident enough and I don’t see why you’d reach for this first rather than trying to sort me out hat is the point

[shiki]

huh

Maybe I am just following Dann around

i mean, it’s noteworthy that you and dannflor are the majority of votes on most wagons but hard to weigh what it means

like could be scums taking advantage of generally inactive game but scums could also be happy letting the two of you do so because wrong about something vital

is noteworthy that you’re in opposite hoods tho when doing so

[Ydrasse]

is your preference elements?

probably ydrasse as of this exact moment but not feeling great about that either

i am doing a very fast iso skim and this sentiment worries me when it’s paired with preference to elim in the small hood because well, duh i will have complaints but also i feel like you came into this game and set a lot of groundwork regarding the meta and spent a decent amount of time talking about elements and ari but your thoughts about me seem more sparse and i’m not really following the logical conclusion to how i’m a wolf i guess, there’s nothing that stands out as actually a wolf that you can say about me (which is the same critique i had of meuh - the way people are talking about my slot feels u productive because it feels like no one has a reason when they wolfread me, i guess? and sometimes you can feel when someone is a wolf but usually what follows is like … ways to build up the why and case it)

[shiki]

is your preference elements?

probably ydrasse as of this exact moment but not feeling great about that either

i am doing a very fast iso skim and this sentiment worries me when it’s paired with preference to elim in the small hood because well, duh i will have complaints but also i feel like you came into this game and set a lot of groundwork regarding the meta and spent a decent amount of time talking about elements and ari but your thoughts about me seem more sparse and i’m not really following the logical conclusion to how i’m a wolf i guess, there’s nothing that stands out as actually a wolf that you can say about me (which is the same critique i had of meuh - the way people are talking about my slot feels u productive because it feels like no one has a reason when they wolfread me, i guess? and sometimes you can feel when someone is a wolf but usually what follows is like … ways to build up the why and case it)

there isn’t that’s why i wasn’t pushing it just gave my thoughts regarding b cause dannflor asked was mostly hoping for more clarity from you posting and such

safer to eliminate in the small hood not super super confident about the big hood right now

why do you think fireisredsir is town?

[Ydrasse]

i liked fire’s posting around… a certain point of the game that i can’t recall right now but it felt like it passed the threshold of “could be town” given i hasn’t gotten anything like that prior

[shiki]

mostly agree with your other reads in the big hood right now like a frayed knot and oopsiedaisy probably more likely town yeah

but dannflor/fireisredsir/meuh hard for me to have enough confidence

[Ydrasse]

oh yeah meuh felt towny too imo when i was interacting with her

[shiki]

like if we eliminate in the small hood at worst it goes to final 3 which i get is super frustrating for you if you’re town to possibly be eliminated because of where the scums placed you and then to have to trust in whichever towns are alive

but should only really be eliminating in big hood if super confident because downside so big

[Elements]

What is this bug downside?

[Elements]

*big

[shiki]

oh yeah meuh felt towny too imo when i was interacting with her

is it just dannflor then?