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[ssbm_Kyouko]

SK would show up as vanilla if it didn't have any other roles - SK's kill is a factional ability, so it, like a Mafia Goon, would show up as "Vanilla" to a Vanilla Cop or a Rolecop. No kills last Night could mean Guillo is trueclaiming and SK tried to kill whoever he said he protected

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Guillotina, did you protect Celebloki?

No, it was impossible for me to protect Cele again.

Also. Full claim 2-shot Indecisive Doctor, i protected Celebloki on night 1 and

Broc

last night.

I also received a mod message that someone is town aligned, i will not disclose this info until they decide to claim.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Multiball probably includes third parties though so this is all probably pointless.

[Hu Tao]

Okay I looked at Timmer's previous game and he said this.

Forgive my ignorance, what is AtE?

Appeal to Emotion

Ahh... I will work to tone it down, but I AM an emotional guy and I get quite passionate about things once I invest in them. this will be a fluff thing to say,

but a common tell years ago when I was bad was that I was unemotional because I struggled to fake it.

I highly doubt he would say what he said as scum. Also in this game he also asked a lot if questions. He's just a new player that's curious and plays emotional. I'm lock towning Timmer.

If you must, vote him over me but NEVER vote Timmer this game if you do. I'm willing to agree to this since others seem to scumread me anyway (even though there are multiple ways I'm never scum this game)

To me the bold reads as if he thinks he's fixed this problem - he's talking fully in past tense here as if he doesn't struggle with it anymore, is he not?

Yes but it shows its how he usually plays, I don't think he was faking the townslips. Also I think based on how he plays he's not the type of person to fake an apology like that. I just have hard gut read of town read and would never vote Timmer here. Can you vote element's?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I will unvote for you while I look into Elements but I'm not going to vote there without a reason I find better than reasons to vote Timmer (at deadline I will vote Elements with you if Timmer isn't going to happen but this game has a long deadline for the holidays)

Has anyone cased them already? Last I can remember anything concrete of theirs is back on like page 5 when I asked them about their mixup with dave/dunn

UNVOTE:

[Hu Tao]

Gamma you've still got your rvs vote on me, why?

This seems a bit overly defensive. In a weird way, I could see this be teammate talk. But not too strong of a read right now

This was my original reason for them being paired

[Naerys]

I'm starting to wonder like could the N1 double kill have been a 3p and we misinterpreted it - for example Roden Aliens <someone>, Black babysits/hides on <someone> (same person as Roden) - could be Black was killed by mafia and Gamma killed by SK

SK would be announced in pre game. (i think)

[Dunnstral]

I doubt there is a sk because babysitter can kill someone and the disloyal vig can kill someone, once (themselves)

So there could be 4 people dying on day 1 which seems silly

[Dunnstral]

I could vote for elements based on what Hu tao pointed out about TimmerRC. I think they mentioned they hadn't played in a while as well so that years ago would have been when they were last active playing.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Bloop

VOTE: Elements

Care to elaborate?

VOTE: Elements

Is this based on the no answering of the question or something else?

VOTE: Elements
Let's listen to me today

or
we could not?

Anyone want to start a wagon?

VOTE: Duunstral
Voting the miller

If Dunn is a neighbour then I could see the miller claim coming from a traitor
But for now I think Dunn's town

I'm torn between trusting kyouko and voting Gamma and trusting Gamma and voting Keyleth

Someone help

I'm Tring Gamma so I say trust gamma

VOTE: roden

[ssbm_Kyouko]

oops I was trying to hit preview so I could read my quoted posts together

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I doubt there is a sk because babysitter can kill someone and the disloyal vig can kill someone, once (themselves)

So there could be 4 people dying on day 1 which seems silly

This assumes RN is town though

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Sorry to requote all this, I'll spoiler it this time:

Spoiler:

Bloop

VOTE: Elements

Care to elaborate?

VOTE: Elements

Is this based on the no answering of the question or something else?

VOTE: Elements
Let's listen to me today

or
we could not?

These first 3 above were just me looking at how Elements reacts to being voted - only did this with ctrl+f for "Vote: e" though so any unquoted reactions won't be here. Just wanted to compare how they reacted to others voting them with how they reacted to Gamma, and also check other games of theirs to see how they normally act when voted. I do feel like they have a pattern of reacting quickly to votes against them and they do the same with Gamma in like 22 I think it was. It is an interesting point Hu Tao has though, in 214. That Elements could be hyper-aware of Gamma because they're teamed and that's why they brought Gamma's vote to attention so much later.

Anyone want to start a wagon?

VOTE: Duunstral
Voting the miller

If Dunn is a neighbour then I could see the miller claim coming from a traitor
But for now I think Dunn's town

Interestingly, Elements is the first to bring up a neighborhood - maybe scum with a TA who is reading into what PRs town might have? This is on page 2 so it looks pretty sus to me given how the setup turned out after claims

I'm torn between trusting kyouko and voting Gamma and trusting Gamma and voting Keyleth

Someone help

I'm Tring Gamma so I say trust gamma

I think before this that Elements was SRing Black as well so this feels weird

VOTE: roden

And I think this is the first post in the game Elements votes for scum, unless you count their self-votes as scum votes

[Dunnstral]

I doubt there is a sk because babysitter can kill someone and the disloyal vig can kill someone, once (themselves)

So there could be 4 people dying on day 1 which seems silly

This assumes RN is town though

Before the claim I pointed to RN interactions with Gamma not looking aligned in my post 2345

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Not on you necessarily, but interestingly enough it's piqued my scumdar on Gamma. I guess what it does for you is confirms you're still in your NAI range fmpov.

Need more time to think on this though, I'm rushing to phone post. Bbl.

How exactly?

I feel like you like to be "around" but not "driving" when you're scum, not that you often "drive" as town either, but when Dunnstral and you started pressing on Elements about 39 and 40 it felt like that - that is to say, being "around" without "driving". It's a vibe at this point.

I feel like if I can gutread Gamma on page 8 or so it's possible HT gutread Elements correctly on page 9. And you might think Gamma jumping onto Elements when a little pressure arises could mean they're not partnered but I think Gamma likes to do stuff like this as scum to throw off associations on purpose, it's also so low risk this early in the game. Practically RVS still so nobody would bat an eye if Gamma left the wagon and Elements ended up flipping red.

Sure, I'll vote Elements, I've talked myself into it
VOTE: Elements

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I doubt there is a sk because babysitter can kill someone and the disloyal vig can kill someone, once (themselves)

So there could be 4 people dying on day 1 which seems silly

This assumes RN is town though

Before the claim I pointed to RN interactions with Gamma not looking aligned in my post 2345

Makes sense as long as RN isn't the SK, and I don't think he makes his claim as SK - if he's not mafia, mafia are going to be gunning for him most likely. At first when I thought there could be an SK I thought it would be RN, but a few minutes later I realized his claim is a deathwish if it's fake.

So yeah SK would probably not make sense, and probably the mod will confirm its existence is precluded by the "not multiball" guarantee anyways

[Elements]

VOTE: elements
i feel that if I'm not voted now I'll be voted later when mislims are more damaging

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I very much dislike all the posts where someone is saying "x is spewed by gamma"
seems like a very good way to lose

@Kyouko, check my notes. I think there’s a lot of associations between Elements and Gamma.

What do you make of Guillotina's reasoning about me and Gamma not being red team together?

Hmm

[Elements]

I very much dislike all the posts where someone is saying "x is spewed by gamma"
seems like a very good way to lose

@Kyouko, check my notes. I think there’s a lot of associations between Elements and Gamma.

What do you make of Guillotina's reasoning about me and Gamma not being red team together?

Hmm

what is the point of this?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

It is a headscratcher when I see you dislike "x is spewed by gamma" and then ask about Gamma associatives 2 ISO posts later

[Elements]

Spewed implies cut and dry "these people are unaligned"
Asking someone who has looked at associatives and decided I'm partnered with someone to look at someone else's thoughts showing associatives that imply I'm not aligned with said player is entirely different

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I feel like...
It's not

[Elements]

Oh

[Dunnstral]

Seems like a matter of wording... aren't you basically asking the same thing as you just condemned? Is it ok because it is a "softer" version of it in your eyes?

[Random Nurse]

So if I target Hu Tao and she is Scum, but Mafia target me for the NK, would there still be only one NK and the risk of Hu Tao looking cleared?