In post 471, Klick wrote:
He seems kinda confident and is saying things that make me go 'hm okay I could see you having this train of thought as town'
bruh im not even sure if he has a train of thought
bruh I caught you in the first 24 hours
Could you explain your read?
I don't believe his confidence (I know he's always blustery and faux confident but I don't buy it here) or his reads, they feel made up and this was strengthened when he immediately attacked me when I entered voting him, he knows hes not gonna get anywhere with me on his ass so he has to get rid of me first. y
Would Cakez really have such poor analysis as scum???
In post 565, T3 wrote:
Would Cakez really have such poor analysis as scum???
Don't you have it backwards? I imagine people have better analysis as town than as scum in general, since as scum they have to lie while as town they are genuinely analyzing things.
I honestly think for some players the inverse is true (that being poor analysis is a towntell) and Cakez is debatably one of those players
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In post 545, SirCakez wrote:
I don't believe his confidence (I know he's always blustery and faux confident but I don't buy it here) or his reads, they feel made up and this was strengthened when he immediately attacked me when I entered voting him, he knows hes not gonna get anywhere with me on his ass so he has to get rid of me first. y
I see, can you explain why you entered voting him? As in, what gave you impression of him being scum? You can link posts because to me it felt a bit early to have that "confidence" you showed.
In 182 I voted him bc I always have to enter approaching him as if he's scum bc we are rarely the same alignment and he completely bamboozled me one time in 3p once so I can never trust him again <3
But then I read on and noticed posts that I actually found objectively scummy in 184 and nothing since has made me feel like "okay maybe I can trust Pooky a tiny tiny bit here"
I’m putting a pin in this, I might have insight on this at some point
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In post 2135, Firebringer wrote:
wow klick not gonna even bother asking ME about my petapan fanboy townread.
Rude af
Klick honorary scum.
If you can convince me petapan is town I'm also happy to hear it!
The other fire has a way of speaking to my soul though
Here's Klick using the same language as town in a past game btw
What do you think my explanation was? Are you talking about 495?
Yes.
I was under the impression that you were saying "Klick has a scum mindset because he said 'convince me' rather than 'explain to me'"
I thought this was a bad read, and perhaps disingenuous, but I buy your explanation of "I've seen that phrasing be used many times, but I can't say with confidence it's from both alignments" (or something to that effect)
that's not what I meant at all - I don't think he's scum for the wording, I don't doubt he could use those words as either alignment. In the game you linked, he's been playing from the start.
My point is, one of the first things he did on replacing in, was ask to be convinced that the leading wagon is on scum. This makes sense when the VC is more contentious (think competing E-2 wagons), when the game is longer, and reading a lot of pages will be time-consuming, or when the deadline is shorter, and there isn't enough time to read.
None of that applied here which is why I thought it was scummy. What bugs me maybe even more though is your defense of Klick. I dont know why you're first assuming my read is based on Klick's verbiage, and then why you decided to pull meta on Klick to support town!Klick when as far as I can tell you haven't expressed a TR on me (wanting to steer your TRs the right direction) or Klick(wanting today defend your TRs). I'm thinking there's a possibility that my playstyle is being discussed in the scum PT and I'm being targeted for pocketing, which would mean someone on the scumteam is very familiar with me. That brings Gamma and Koba to my mind right off the bat
I assumed your read was based on Klick's verbiage, yes. I don't see why my misunderstanding of your read makes me scum. I do not have a strong read on either you or Klick, and I defended him from you because I thought your point was illogical. And how does this connect to pocketing you at all?
I feel like the simplest conclusion one would draw reading my 495 is not that my scumread was based on Klick's verbiage, but that it's based on my thinking Klick did not display a town mindset in his [ppst]412[/post]. However, someone who knows me well would know that it is not uncommon for me to nitpick on verbiage as town. I have often found that players' particular word choices are strange and done meta-dives where I check if a player normally uses those words. It feels like you, T3, were familiar with that, and you delivered the evidence of town!Klick to me unprompted, and in a manner that I would normally find Klick to be town for myself if this particular SR on Klick was based on his verbiage. I do not think you should have that level of familiarity with my play, which makes me think that you are in a PT with someone that advised you on my meta. Of this playerlist, that someone is almost certainly one of Gamma or Koba, or maybe Dunnstral.
there's definitely scum in here regardless of jjh alignment imo, this wagon is terrible
this take
is bad
It's hard for me to differentiate between your slot and PenguinPower between players who are doing pretty much nothing except voting low hanging slots. I think the both of you are way better votes than jjh right now - I don't like voting for slots that are clearly absent, especially because there's nothing to actually point towards jjh being mafia.
I sort of rambled there but my point is your play is lame right now and SirCakez is right.
In post 2135, Firebringer wrote:
wow klick not gonna even bother asking ME about my petapan fanboy townread.
Rude af
Klick honorary scum.
If you can convince me petapan is town I'm also happy to hear it!
The other fire has a way of speaking to my soul though
Here's Klick using the same language as town in a past game btw
What do you think my explanation was? Are you talking about 495?
Yes.
I was under the impression that you were saying "Klick has a scum mindset because he said 'convince me' rather than 'explain to me'"
I thought this was a bad read, and perhaps disingenuous, but I buy your explanation of "I've seen that phrasing be used many times, but I can't say with confidence it's from both alignments" (or something to that effect)
that's not what I meant at all - I don't think he's scum for the wording, I don't doubt he could use those words as either alignment. In the game you linked, he's been playing from the start.
My point is, one of the first things he did on replacing in, was ask to be convinced that the leading wagon is on scum. This makes sense when the VC is more contentious (think competing E-2 wagons), when the game is longer, and reading a lot of pages will be time-consuming, or when the deadline is shorter, and there isn't enough time to read.
None of that applied here which is why I thought it was scummy. What bugs me maybe even more though is your defense of Klick. I dont know why you're first assuming my read is based on Klick's verbiage, and then why you decided to pull meta on Klick to support town!Klick when as far as I can tell you haven't expressed a TR on me (wanting to steer your TRs the right direction) or Klick(wanting today defend your TRs). I'm thinking there's a possibility that my playstyle is being discussed in the scum PT and I'm being targeted for pocketing, which would mean someone on the scumteam is very familiar with me. That brings Gamma and Koba to my mind right off the bat
I don't like this post, specifically the last parts where you theorize mafia are playing around you. It feels more like building a narrative than having real thoughts to me
In post 583, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Like your reaction feels so tailor-made to me, and it's also totally unprompted, it just feels too perfect to be a coincidence.
Why are you voting STD instead of any of those names you mentioned?
In post 582, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
I have often found that players' particular word choices are strange and done meta-dives where I check if a player normally uses those words. It feels like you, T3, were familiar with that, and you delivered the evidence of town!Klick to me unprompted, and in a manner that I would normally find Klick to be town for myself if this particular SR on Klick was based on his verbiage. I do not think you should have that level of familiarity with my play, which makes me think that you are in a PT with someone that advised you on my meta. Of this playerlist, that someone is almost certainly one of Gamma or Koba, or maybe Dunnstral.
Setting aside how likely this is to be T3 gaining info rather than a coincidence where you are jumping to conclusions, this seems like something I would be unlikely to do. Perhaps if you look at how I play in the mafia threads I have been a part of, you would agree:
I focus on mech, what we should be claiming, potential town power roles, how we look if specific players die at night. I don't talk about player meta in the mafia pt at all.
In post 582, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
It feels like you, T3, were familiar with that, and you delivered the evidence of town!Klick to me unprompted, and in a manner that I would normally find Klick to be town for myself if this particular SR on Klick was based on his verbiage.
