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I think I just... agree with thisIn post 2208, Dannflor wrote: someone reread shaddowez and tell me there is a good reason to town read the slot
I can find reasons for aisa, project, outworlder, etc.
I’m not finding one for shaddowez
sorry for posting 10 times in a row by the way. but it is also kinda dead in here so eh-
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VOTE: Aisa
I'm going to stick with my original thoughtYou're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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im not sure what the purpose of this post isIn post 2082, Afrayed Knott wrote: Ok. My vote remains though as I believe you are the last scum. And it’s not solely based on what you feel it is. I’ve pushed you on and off throughout the game as I have a gut feeling you are on the red team.
why are you so convinced that shaddow is town? you've never really explained whyIn post 2084, Bellaphant wrote: My town core is me, Titus, sky. The next teir is like knot, dann, then shadowez and Jupiter, then I need to have another look at outer and project.
My poe is surprisingly small. My worry is 'deep wolf ' but it can only be Dan or shadow
thank you.In post 2089, Dannflor wrote: ok can we drop then “performative” angle, it’s just NAI and obviously distressing to Jupiter
It’s not the primary reason I voted them, which has more to do with how they hedged on the T3 read (yes I know I’m a hypocrite)
now, to defend myself- i was pretty busy near the end of d2, which so happened to be when t3 was being pushed the most. so i didn't have enough time to read through the thread properly or type up the posts i wanted to type up. even then, i was pretty convinced that t3 was unlikely to flip scum, because the way he posted seemed very reminiscent of townie frustration and i had been holding him at a null-leaning-town spot for quite a while. furthermore, black's eod1 post where she declared intent to hammer on t3 had just about cemented it in my mind that, with her flip in mind, had just about spewed t3 to be town.
even then, i don't see a world where i finds that advantageous. what towncred do i gain from attempting to stop an inevitable elimination on my scumpartner? hedging on t3 as scum is not something that benefits me short-term or long-term. in fact, in what world does scum try to save t3 from a lim at all? does one person's "oh man I think t3 is likely to flip town" do anything at all or does it just incriminate them? that being said- dann, do you think t3's partner is more likely to be on or off the wagon? i'm personally thinking on the wagon atm but i might have to think about it a bit more.
i was wrong, though. a lot of other players, like you and me, were also wrong. why, out of all of them, am i the one who is the most scummy?
why does the fact that you've maintained this thought matter in the slightest?In post 2090, Afrayed Knott wrote: And again I’ve maintained this thought from yesterday to today.
i also generally don't consider outworld's play as something that comes from scum. OWER seems incredibly detached from discussion and not active or anything. like he's hunting but he's not really /there/ if that makes sense, so he's towny but generally seems to have just sat around poking people here and there until he comes up with a case. it doesnt' seem like something scum benefits from and i as scum would frankly not want to play the long game. it's risk/reward and that manner of posting just doesn't seem balanced out for a scum memberIn post 2104, Aisa wrote: I just compared OWER's play to mini normal 2316, where he was scum. I think the difference between this game and that game is enough to seal in the townread. In the scumgame he's more aggressive and kind of goes out of his way to discredit some slots. In this game he's felt a bit more "passive". Here he seems more interested in comparing and contrasting different wagons.
I guess that gives me {ower, skygazer, afrayed} as slots that I feel fairly good about so far
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The purpose of this post is rather obvious to me, If you can’t see that then fineIn post 2231, JupiterXV wrote: pg 84-87
im not sure what the purpose of this post isIn post 2082, Afrayed Knott wrote: Ok. My vote remains though as I believe you are the last scum. And it’s not solely based on what you feel it is. I’ve pushed you on and off throughout the game as I have a gut feeling you are on the red team.
why are you so convinced that shaddow is town? you've never really explained whyIn post 2084, Bellaphant wrote: My town core is me, Titus, sky. The next teir is like knot, dann, then shadowez and Jupiter, then I need to have another look at outer and project.
My poe is surprisingly small. My worry is 'deep wolf ' but it can only be Dan or shadow
thank you.In post 2089, Dannflor wrote: ok can we drop then “performative” angle, it’s just NAI and obviously distressing to Jupiter
It’s not the primary reason I voted them, which has more to do with how they hedged on the T3 read (yes I know I’m a hypocrite)
now, to defend myself- i was pretty busy near the end of d2, which so happened to be when t3 was being pushed the most. so i didn't have enough time to read through the thread properly or type up the posts i wanted to type up. even then, i was pretty convinced that t3 was unlikely to flip scum, because the way he posted seemed very reminiscent of townie frustration and i had been holding him at a null-leaning-town spot for quite a while. furthermore, black's eod1 post where she declared intent to hammer on t3 had just about cemented it in my mind that, with her flip in mind, had just about spewed t3 to be town.
even then, i don't see a world where i finds that advantageous. what towncred do i gain from attempting to stop an inevitable elimination on my scumpartner? hedging on t3 as scum is not something that benefits me short-term or long-term. in fact, in what world does scum try to save t3 from a lim at all? does one person's "oh man I think t3 is likely to flip town" do anything at all or does it just incriminate them? that being said- dann, do you think t3's partner is more likely to be on or off the wagon? i'm personally thinking on the wagon atm but i might have to think about it a bit more.
i was wrong, though. a lot of other players, like you and me, were also wrong. why, out of all of them, am i the one who is the most scummy?
why does the fact that you've maintained this thought matter in the slightest?In post 2090, Afrayed Knott wrote: And again I’ve maintained this thought from yesterday to today.
i also generally don't consider outworld's play as something that comes from scum. OWER seems incredibly detached from discussion and not active or anything. like he's hunting but he's not really /there/ if that makes sense, so he's towny but generally seems to have just sat around poking people here and there until he comes up with a case. it doesnt' seem like something scum benefits from and i as scum would frankly not want to play the long game. it's risk/reward and that manner of posting just doesn't seem balanced out for a scum memberIn post 2104, Aisa wrote: I just compared OWER's play to mini normal 2316, where he was scum. I think the difference between this game and that game is enough to seal in the townread. In the scumgame he's more aggressive and kind of goes out of his way to discredit some slots. In this game he's felt a bit more "passive". Here he seems more interested in comparing and contrasting different wagons.
I guess that gives me {ower, skygazer, afrayed} as slots that I feel fairly good about so far
been getting a bit of skygazer paranoia but eh don't think it's time to question that too much yet
The reason for maintaining that thought is again to me is obvious, but I don’t want to push it unless you throw another wobbly and melt down in the thread or Titus gets high and mighty… ITS A GAME EVERYONE. Thank youYou're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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Just a thought. Titus is conf town, but she is giving nothing to town at all. She should be leading town, but there is absolutely nothing coming from her that would, recently, suggest to me that she is committed to this game. Ok we can argue the toss about its Christmas, but even before then her only input is to get upset with me. Get a grip Titus and lead town please
Sorry if you think I am attacking you, but I am!!You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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prod received, still wrapping up Christmas with family so still a bit out of sorts
I can be very stubborn in my reads at times. Project also just hasn't posted much that has swayed my opinion of him in the past few days, but as you point out, that might just be a function of how fast the days have moved.In post 2202, Aisa wrote:
That's kind of what I was surprised by - the fact you've been holding this scumread for like a solid 20 days. I'm chronically indecisive and could not tell you the last time I held onto a scumread for that longIn post 2174, OutWorldER wrote:
I literally wall-cased Project during D2 and have pushed him consistently since then? I'm not sure why it's surprising unless you just haven't been paying attention.In post 2171, Aisa wrote: The Outworlder - Projectry dynamic does confuse me. The strength of OWER's read on Project is surprising to me and I'm finding it difficult to decide if it's because he's right, he's wrong, or he's scum
I was going to say that despite your apparent convictions that it is Project it doesn't feel like you've pushed him very hard to me, but maybe that's unfair given how fast days 3 and 4 went by
I mostly haven't pushed him very hard because tbh I'm kind of on auto-pilot here. Like I said before I just kind of have a group of people I'm pretty sure the last scum is in (You, Project, It's been 3 days I honestly forget all the names) that I don't want to elim until the other group is all gone (Dann, Titus, Jupiter, Skygazer, and I think I had like 1 or 2 others).-
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EBWOP, don't post at 1 AM kids.In post 2236, OutWorldER wrote: prod received, still wrapping up Christmas with family so still a bit out of sorts
I can be very stubborn in my reads at times. Project also just hasn't posted much that has swayed my opinion of him in the past few days, but as you point out, that might just be a function of how fast the days have moved.In post 2202, Aisa wrote:
That's kind of what I was surprised by - the fact you've been holding this scumread for like a solid 20 days. I'm chronically indecisive and could not tell you the last time I held onto a scumread for that longIn post 2174, OutWorldER wrote:
I literally wall-cased Project during D2 and have pushed him consistently since then? I'm not sure why it's surprising unless you just haven't been paying attention.In post 2171, Aisa wrote: The Outworlder - Projectry dynamic does confuse me. The strength of OWER's read on Project is surprising to me and I'm finding it difficult to decide if it's because he's right, he's wrong, or he's scum
I was going to say that despite your apparent convictions that it is Project it doesn't feel like you've pushed him very hard to me, but maybe that's unfair given how fast days 3 and 4 went by
I mostly haven't pushed him very hard because tbh I'm kind of on auto-pilot here. Like I said before I just kind of have a group of people I'm pretty sure the last scum is in (You, Project, It's been 3 days I honestly forget all the names) and then a group that I don't want to elim any of them until the other group is all gone (Dann, Titus, Jupiter, Skygazer, and I think I had like 1 or 2 others).-
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After Aisa and AK maybeIn post 2238, Dannflor wrote: can we kill shaddowez tyShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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VOTE: Shaddowez
I hadn’t really paid much attention to Shaddowez, but just had a quick read through his ISO and I would be happy with a vote on him.
When he does contribute he tends to question or discredit other people’s town (not scum) reads. It feels like he’s trying to discredit town reads to keep people in contention.
The above isn’t necessarily scum indicative, rather it’s a good thing (at least early game when he did this a lot), but when looking at the flip side - when he tries to discredit or question people’s scum reads - they are largely in relation to defending or directing attention away from T3, who we now know to be scum.
So, it comes across like he wants to keep people in contention who he himself (if he is scum) knows are town, but discredit any suspicion against those he knows are scum etc.
Also, he does a lot of defending of T3 and only seems to question T3 when his fate is almost sealed. At 1063 he questions T3 (I believe this is the first time he questions T3 in a negative light). T3 actually survived this wagon, but Shaddowez questioning occurs when T3 is E-1 and hard claims VT. It looked like T3’s fate was sealed.
He interacts a bit more with Black, but doesn’t ever really cast suspicion. He then is the 6th vote on the Black wagon, but that was a fast forming wagon.
I think these interactions with scum could be suspicious and he only ever seems to turn against them when he believes their fates are sealed, so both feel like last minute distancing.-
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Play wise it's shadow or outer, buddy equity it's sky or Aisa. We shouldn't lim out of those four I think-
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‘Shouldn’t’ lim?In post 2242, Bellaphant wrote: Play wise it's shadow or outer, buddy equity it's sky or Aisa. We shouldn't lim out of those four I think-
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Shaddow has decent amount of buddy equity if you ask me
(If scum) he was careful not to be seen defending T3 or Black too strongly at key moments. But there are a few examples of him... ummm... trying not to push T3 too much in his free time
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wtaf are you going on about lolIn post 2233, Afrayed Knott wrote: The purpose of this post is rather obvious to me, If you can’t see that then fine
The reason for maintaining that thought is again to me is obvious, but I don’t want to push it unless you throw another wobbly and melt down in the thread or Titus gets high and mighty… ITS A GAME EVERYONE. Thank you
to me it seems like you keep talking about how you've been pushing people over the course of a handful of days for no reason, it actually comes off as performative to me-
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like you talk about how long you've been pushing people- that means jackshit until you explain why you've been pushing them-
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Finally back - hope everyone that celebrates had a nice Christmas.
I know I have a lot of catching up to do - only having seen the current page so far, if there's a wagon on me and you're on it, it's bad and you should feel bad.
Working backwards for now - in response to 2243, I'm not sure what you're aiming at here. Ineverdefended Black, had a SR toward the end of D1 and voted her D2 pretty much as soon as I came back from my V/LA.
As for T3, I was pretty vocal about not liking the wagon or SRing him. You're post makes it sound like I was soft defending (I wasn't, there wasn't really a defense outside of I don't SR him) and not pushing him, which again - why would I push someone I didn't SR when I was voting someone I did?V/LA on Weekends-
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2239 is a repeat (or the predecessor, I guess?) to Aisa from my last post in regards to my interactions with Black and T3.
Other than my push on Jupiter, who I was SRing based on his initial play on T3, where was I doing what you're claiming I was doing?In post 2240, ProjEctRy wrote: when he tries to discredit or question people’s scum reads - they are largely in relation to defending or directing attention away from T3, who we now know to be scum.V/LA on Weekends-
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This specific post isn'tIn post 2232, JupiterXV wrote: oh god that is nto all i had to say that wasnt supposed to sendscummyper se, but it's yet another instance of Jupiter pointing out that their post wasn't complete, or they'd get back to something, or some other similar filler post that they never come back to. Between this and a few other things, doing this.
VOTE: JupiterV/LA on Weekends-
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In post 2239, Titus wrote:
After Aisa and AK maybeIn post 2238, Dannflor wrote: can we kill shaddowez ty
So you are not going to lead town. Great as long as we know you are sitting on your hands.You're Scummy! I'm Afrayed Knott..
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