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[Gamma Emerald]

All three of the other people in this thread are scum. They are all making a coordinated campaign against me. If for some reason I am elimed please refer to this page to see what happened.

This is a really easy narrative to cook up as scum

[HighPrincessErinys]

I think it's hypocritical of you to say I've made absolutely terrible justifications and defenses of the Lap wagon when you agreed he was being survivalistic and you helped push it along quite a lot actually, looking back on it.

You keep bringing up this one thing like its a smoking gun and not

one

aspect of a multi-faceted post.

You think I'm being reductive of 1465? Here's the post - show me what I've ignored.

Okay, so what's bad about my ISO 126-130? I just reread them and don't see an issue.

First off,

LMAO

, second off:
126, 127, 128 and 129 are absolutely terrible justifications and defenses of the Lap wagon. This one earnestly believed in a Lap scumflip but it feels like you secretly knew the whole time and now that you're being pressed are trying to give reasons as to why you were totally cool and justified to push him regardless because you just hardtunneled and barely considered his posts as you did it. On the other hand, 130... Kinda baffles me because this one doesn't know what you're trying to say. Is it a backpedal? A moment of hypocrisy? "Oh, actually, I

DIDN'T

mean to say I'd do the same thing as scum D1 now that you mention it!"

in the post you linked you don't give reasons why you have Pavowski and Joyboy in the bottom 2. Why are your scumreads scum?

Well, beyond the fact this one

has

talked a bit about Pavowski as it was mulling the wagon over, Joyboy was just. Foul? Very little sense made in his posts and a completely nonsensical voting pattern that screams "dead slot". His ISO, small as it is, is utter garbage and of zero use. That would be why.

The part where you refuse to talk about anything but "well you said Lap was survivalistic TOO!". 1494 looks like it but it's literally just breaking down what your posts were which. Anyone can see. Outside of that this whole thing is just he said she said Do People Believe Your Push Was Legit and the answer seems to be uh, no.

[Gamma Emerald]

They claimed vig when a vig is confirmed and nobody CC'd them

there are inactive players
why is vig confirmed?
setup is closed.

vig is not confirmed

YIKES

[Gamma Emerald]

I need to look into seeing if I think CW/HPE is possible.

Highkey doubt it

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Gamma can read me I am safe

Genuinely, what was our last game together where we were both town and I read you correctly?

also kyouko, why did you just auto assume gamma was town here?

I didn't, it works for both alignments. I think if Gamma is town here, if she arrives to the (wrong) conclusion I'm scum, I'll be able to tell y'all that Gamma is town before I die. If she's scum, it's mainly a warning because I feel that scum!Gamma would find a way to SR me here, so I was preempting that by assigning the BoP to her so she wouldn't rush to that conclusion and would have to form a convincing read one way or the other.

[Gamma Emerald]

I need to look into seeing if I think CW/HPE is possible.

this one would NOT fucking play with cw as its scumpartner lmao

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[HighPrincessErinys]

Gamma can read me I am safe

Genuinely, what was our last game together where we were both town and I read you correctly?

also kyouko, why did you just auto assume gamma was town here?

Kyouko hasn't been very interested in Joyboy all game outside of hypothesizing him as a partner to scum!Lap (along with... 6 other players.) and some random off-hand inclusions in scumpools before suddenly changing her tune and asking others why Joyboy is scum. Now that Gamma's replaced in she's sucking up to her hoping to get bailed out meaning either:
A. scum!Kyouko thinks town!Gamma can save her hide with a "correct" townread.
or B. lol they're partnered

[Gamma Emerald]

Flavor/HPE/DE have no opinions, all they care about is getting rid of town as non-suspiciously as possible and coordinating their votes to do so

Do you really think all 3 scum would be pushing you? Also thought you had joyboy scum?

yes, no
at first i scumread him and i still find him sus but idk i scumread him less if that makes sense?

ur sus

SCUM PARTNERS TURNING ON EACH OTHER

Yeah cw’s reads make no sense so I can only conclude they’re entirely fabricated

[HighPrincessErinys]

I need to look into seeing if I think CW/HPE is possible.

this one would NOT fucking play with cw as its scumpartner lmao

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my apologies but my vitriol and venom for cw is uncontainable

[Hu Tao]

Gamma can read me I am safe

Genuinely, what was our last game together where we were both town and I read you correctly?

also kyouko, why did you just auto assume gamma was town here?

Kyouko hasn't been very interested in Joyboy all game outside of hypothesizing him as a partner to scum!Lap (along with... 6 other players.) and some random off-hand inclusions in scumpools before suddenly changing her tune and asking others why Joyboy is scum. Now that Gamma's replaced in she's sucking up to her hoping to get bailed out meaning either:
A. scum!Kyouko thinks town!Gamma can save her hide with a "correct" townread.
or B. lol they're partnered

I don't think I agree with B. Since it looks like Kyouko was more pleading rather than anything.

[Gamma Emerald]

holy shit could flavor actually be conftown

this will crumble all my reads
I don't believe it yet though

lol cw is town

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[HighPrincessErinys]

Gamma can read me I am safe

Genuinely, what was our last game together where we were both town and I read you correctly?

:lol: also kyouko, why did you just auto assume gamma was town here?

Kyouko hasn't been very interested in Joyboy all game outside of hypothesizing him as a partner to scum!Lap (along with... 6 other players.) and some random off-hand inclusions in scumpools before suddenly changing her tune and asking others why Joyboy is scum. Now that Gamma's replaced in she's sucking up to her hoping to get bailed out meaning either:
A. scum!Kyouko thinks town!Gamma can save her hide with a "correct" townread.
or B. lol they're partnered

I don't think I agree with B. Since it looks like Kyouko was more pleading rather than anything.

Yeah it's probably A but still thought it was an interesting possibility.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Particularly just because of how she's interacted with/about Joyboy.

[Gamma Emerald]

Flavor, cw feels like KeyLaga from this game you repped out of: viewtopic.php?t=91890

(KL was town)

not even close

Okay maybe not that much but KL felt consistent, cw does not

[Gamma Emerald]

Flavor, cw feels like KeyLaga from this game you repped out of: viewtopic.php?t=91890

(KL was town)

Nah, i don’t see that at all.

Immediately after ISO’ing, I saw tons of questions being asked and at least some coherent thoughts.

CW is blind scratching, dirt walling

They remind me more of Gob.

This isn’t really apt either imo

[Flavor Leaf]

Actually fucking yeah thinking about the wagon shifts is giving me a brain blast. Kyouko/Hu Tao/Pavowski team feels very possible with Pavowski re-voting and trying to play it cool and not look too suspect after HT also gets off. Maybe this one is overlooking the possibility of Dragon since he's a townlean for it and needed a nudge from Kyouko (and similarly to Pav, has said it's only a temporary unvote) but even then it feels like there's BARE MINIMUM 2 scum in Kyouko/Pav/HT/Dragon.

I removed my vote as a gesture. Especially since joyboy was getting replaced anyway, day wasn't ending

You did it after Pavowski had already done it

[Flavor Leaf]

I get you could have missed that, but you’re good enough scum to pull that off if you were scum. Its genuine if you are town, just can’t see it fully yet.

[Gamma Emerald]

Only reads I'm comfortable with right now is Flavor and dragon Town. Joyboy is sus but I'm not 100% on him being scum

This is pretty reasonable post which probably makes Hu Tao scum

[Flavor Leaf]

yep, the fact kyouko wanted people to unvote cuz wagon was getting hot and 3 people unvoted shows it. kyouko scum.

Wouldn't this make me scum with at least one of those 3? I'm not scum, but for the purposes of this exercise, does it look to you like any of the unvoters were bussing me prior to the unvote?

@Flavor

I was thinking either HPE, Hu Tao, or DE as bussers, yes.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Actually fucking yeah thinking about the wagon shifts is giving me a brain blast. Kyouko/Hu Tao/Pavowski team feels very possible with Pavowski re-voting and trying to play it cool and not look too suspect after HT also gets off. Maybe this one is overlooking the possibility of Dragon since he's a townlean for it and needed a nudge from Kyouko (and similarly to Pav, has said it's only a temporary unvote) but even then it feels like there's BARE MINIMUM 2 scum in Kyouko/Pav/HT/Dragon.

I removed my vote as a gesture. Especially since joyboy was getting replaced anyway, day wasn't ending

You did it after Pavowski had already done it

Also we didn't know Joyboy was getting replaced by then either. HT unvoted in 1390, and JB's replacement announcement came in 1452.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor, cw feels like KeyLaga from this game you repped out of: viewtopic.php?t=91890

(KL was town)

Nah, i don’t see that at all.

Immediately after ISO’ing, I saw tons of questions being asked and at least some coherent thoughts.

CW is blind scratching, dirt walling

They remind me more of Gob.

This isn’t really apt either imo

Gob was just the closest relative thing that was more than what i saw from KeyLaga, since we hit Gob.

It was also a shade at Gob

[Pavowski]

Only reads I'm comfortable with right now is Flavor and dragon Town. Joyboy is sus but I'm not 100% on him being scum

This is pretty reasonable post which probably makes Hu Tao scum

lmao

Sorry I'm just reading along as you catch up and I lol'd

[Gamma Emerald]

There was a time when HPE had 3 votes on them, Dragon, Myself, and Hu Tao.

Then Lap joined on, and Dragon immediately moved over to Abnegation.

Dragon and HPE have some ties there.

I also think Pavowski and Kyouko have some ties together. They both actually look pretty rough with the flips we have in hindsight rereading Day 1.

HPE
Pavowski
Kyouko
DragonEater

Is a pool

Idk what it’s a pool of yet, but it’s a pool.

This is starting to answer my question I had coming in

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think it's hypocritical of you to say I've made absolutely terrible justifications and defenses of the Lap wagon when you agreed he was being survivalistic and you helped push it along quite a lot actually, looking back on it.

You keep bringing up this one thing like its a smoking gun and not

one

aspect of a multi-faceted post.

You think I'm being reductive of 1465? Here's the post - show me what I've ignored.

Okay, so what's bad about my ISO 126-130? I just reread them and don't see an issue.

First off,

LMAO

, second off:
126, 127, 128 and 129 are absolutely terrible justifications and defenses of the Lap wagon. This one earnestly believed in a Lap scumflip but it feels like you secretly knew the whole time and now that you're being pressed are trying to give reasons as to why you were totally cool and justified to push him regardless because you just hardtunneled and barely considered his posts as you did it. On the other hand, 130... Kinda baffles me because this one doesn't know what you're trying to say. Is it a backpedal? A moment of hypocrisy? "Oh, actually, I

DIDN'T

mean to say I'd do the same thing as scum D1 now that you mention it!"

in the post you linked you don't give reasons why you have Pavowski and Joyboy in the bottom 2. Why are your scumreads scum?

Well, beyond the fact this one

has

talked a bit about Pavowski as it was mulling the wagon over, Joyboy was just. Foul? Very little sense made in his posts and a completely nonsensical voting pattern that screams "dead slot". His ISO, small as it is, is utter garbage and of zero use. That would be why.

The part where you refuse to talk about anything but "well you said Lap was survivalistic TOO!".

1494 looks like it but it's literally just breaking down what your posts were which. Anyone can see. Outside of that this whole thing is just he said she said Do People Believe Your Push Was Legit and the answer seems to be uh, no.

So, the bolded above is not a part of 1465. You've alluded to this twice now - bolded below:

I had already expressed doubts about both you and HPE earlier, this is just saying XOR instead of OR. It's not an alt wagon if it's just tightening down what I've already said.

You're definitely in survival mode nonetheless imo

No way... one similarity in our pushes on Lap...

My point is that pre-flip of Lap you had no issue with me calling him survivalistic in 301, as you clearly agreed with that when you reiterated it in 392. Yet when I bring up the fact that he was claiming at E-3 (the claim happened in post 260, before you and I called him survivalistic) in 1337, suddenly, to quote your 1465, it's an "absolutely terrible [justification] and [defense] of the Lap wagon"

You realize you can't just magically recontextualize that specific post into the only thing it was talking about right?

And you're right, he was survivalistic, this one said that too, but you're still throwing that in with your designated chunk of excuses. Something tangible amidst the bull to help it look better.

ssbm_Kyouko (3) - Flavor Leaf, HighPrincessErinys, Pavowski

Thinking about how the second Kyouko is in hammer range a bunch of votes on her move off and around.

I think it's hypocritical of you to say I've made absolutely terrible justifications and defenses of the Lap wagon when you agreed he was being survivalistic and you helped push it along quite a lot actually, looking back on it.

You keep bringing up this one thing like its a smoking gun and

not

one

aspect of a multi-faceted post.

You're claiming that I'm recontextualizing/ignoring part of the multi-faceted 1465, unless I've somehow misunderstood which post you're referring to.

I assume "1494 looks like it" means you think 1494 looks like I'm addressing other parts of 1465, but you think it does not? I specifically made 1494 to break down the argument for all to see that this:

but you're still throwing that in with your designated chunk of excuses. Something tangible amidst the bull to help it look better.

(specifically calling it "bull" and "a chunk of excuses") Is reductive of my ISO 126-129, to show why the basis of your scumread on me lacks a town motivation. When I show you an inconsistency, you shift over to "oh that's just something tangible to make the rest of the bs look more legit" instead of considering anything. You make vague accusations that I'm recontextualizing/ignoring parts of your post, but when I ask you for an example you point to something that is not even in your post. You're totally in bad faith here.

[Gamma Emerald]

Flavor, cw feels like KeyLaga from this game you repped out of: viewtopic.php?t=91890

(KL was town)

Nah, i don’t see that at all.

Immediately after ISO’ing, I saw tons of questions being asked and at least some coherent thoughts.

CW is blind scratching, dirt walling

They remind me more of Gob.

This isn’t really apt either imo

Gob was just the closest relative thing that was more than what i saw from KeyLaga, since we hit Gob.

It was also a shade at Gob

hrm
I was shading/mocking gob for a little bit but when he opened up to me I quickly felt bad about it and stopped