Open 895 - 09:12 PM - Postgame

[Elements]

Bloop

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm gonna refer to players as if they're in the game and when I see the host's posts that they repped in I'll switch up who I am referring to. I may also accidentally send this message when I'm not finished writing each section. I will be mostly ignoring the posts of those that have died.

Spoiler: Page 10 Conclusions

I forgot to do my traditional thing of writing my stance per section so I'll put that here. My general solve will always be the lowest two people, if two people are in the same tier the person on the left is who I think is the townier of the bunch regardless of which side they're on.

These are also a mix of pages 1-10 as well as the current gamestate, I am not sure how to easily seperate the two for you all to understand my general progression so just deal with it I guess.

TR:

Elements

TL:

NT:

Drew

NS:

Kyouko

SL:

Titus

SR:

Spoiler: Pages 11-20

Black's 254 doesn't feel like they're giving Elements the light of day, throws shade (for lack of a better term) onto Elements for their weird progression, Elements posts a response and then instead of doing anything with it, they decide to just pull apart the wording in a useless and non-productive way? I don't really like the direction that they're going with. Gamma's response (251) in comparison was one that took Element and saw them for what they are, which if Elements is Town like I believe is a good sign I think rather than ignoring that and letting Black drift, but back what Black exactly did it feels like a "that didn't work, moving on" more than anything else.

Kyo in 268 (and previous posts) being the lead actor in the live action block-buster movie named after the main character "IIOA". Can somebody inform me if they do this in most games they play, I assume it is based on their over talkative nature but just confirming and tie this loose end.

Claps 276 made an argument I tend to in games and that makes me wanna look back over Kyo and see how they're treating Clap from their posts up to 275 but I know that I am very likely not going to do that.

Black's 298 reads as "I want to vote Shadow but I can't just do it and leave, I gotta add other stuff on top of it".

Element's response to Cook's read on Black being wolf in 306 feels incredibly genuine. They wanted to get to know the true reason Cook had this read, because they had reason to counter the former but didn't assume. They acted in a way that opened the discussion up rather than acted to shut it down.

Also the talk around 319 it's almost never about the actual naked votes but more so the energy and intent behind it, a lot of the game is about reading intent moreso than reading into the actual direct content. Good scum don't typically say scummy shit, and Town don't always say townie shit.

Black/Kyo cross-voting each other as of 365 is something worth noting, considering if it was planned, Black would probably have kept their vote on their partner so that true cross-vote happens but they didn't. They were fluid about their votes, and ended up on D&D before Kyo came in to vote Black. So if it's SvS it would have to be unplanned and just naturally coming from a "we should distance" general mindset/game direction, I'm probably in the mood to think this isn't SvS so if I'm falling into their theatre I will feel so much shame, but that also makes me uncomfortable in the sense I gotta drop Drew, not that I can't drop drew I just want him town gosh dang it. Also that would lean into a Black is bussing as of this point in the game, I will keep an eye on how they go about pushing the wagon they're on.

Although Black's response to Kyo's response (bloody word salad), was pretty bad. So based on Kyo's response purely and the vote patterns are what I'd use to argue not SvS but if we weigh that vs the other logic properly I'm not sure where it lies. Kyo did well here if it's SvS (planned or otherwise).

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Between reading, Black is obviously my SR at the moment. But removing that from my head, assuming they are Town I don't really know where I want to stand tbh. I like Gamma, and I like Elements. It makes me uncomfortable to think of a Drew/Elements world so there's surely scum in Black/Kyo. If they're not scum together, it makes me uncomfortable to see Elements as wolf and I will have to chalk Gamma as a really good wolf and have them as the scum with Black/Kyo and if I can't decide on my confidence on Black or Kyo, optimally Drew should be the lim? Even though I hate that quite a lot. Ugh

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370 actively dislike Gamma's "killing us is optimal". First bad thing they've said.

388 from Black feels like they saw something surface level wolfy and wanted to lower Gob's influence by calling it out rather than thinking deeper, they REALLY wanted it noticed by the colouring when it was not needed. They didn't ask why they thought the way they did, just insta-labelled as not townie which like in the sense of if you give it even a second of thought, there is always reasoning behind a statement like that. Either as a townie, making an argument (they want scum lynched always so opting to not limming a wolf has to have reason) or they're a wolf and making an argument as such is a really stupid thing unless again, there's reason behind it. Black once again proving they're pushing for an agenda rather than playing to solve.

460 goofy ahh vote retraction from Black, fit exactly what I was expecting which is depressing. Says it is sus but unvotes instead of moving to shadow, zzz.

TR:

Elements

TL:

NT:

Kyo

NS:

SL:

Drew (reluctant)

SR:

Black

[JacksonVirgo]

'aight, who's the last pr?

Nunya

i wanna know if anyone is going to cc me

I will wait to catch up to respond back to this

[Elements]

'aight, who's the last pr?

Nunya

i wanna know if anyone is going to cc me

I will wait to catch up to respond back to this

if you don't think the pr should claim im interested as to why

[JacksonVirgo]

'aight, who's the last pr?

Nunya

i wanna know if anyone is going to cc me

I will wait to catch up to respond back to this

if you don't think the pr should claim im interested as to why

They can claim if pushed, no reason to right now. Give them the choice, don't make it for them.

[Elements]

'aight, who's the last pr?

Nunya

i wanna know if anyone is going to cc me

I will wait to catch up to respond back to this

if you don't think the pr should claim im interested as to why

They can claim if pushed, no reason to right now. Give them the choice, don't make it for them.

sure

[JacksonVirgo]

Also me trying out the "removing null as a read" strat I just made up to force me to make a stance

[JacksonVirgo]

Spoiler: Pages 21-30

Black back on the "lets discredit people train choo choo" in 515 enough to be like, if this is what they do regardless I want to know this now rather than later. But they're not here to respond back to me so that's useful

Black immediately dropping Kyo in their reads it seems like to focus on anybody but (referring to 520 is exactly what I was expecting in a Black/Kyo world, which is bringing me back to removing the whole Drew consensus vote (based on my many worldviews not the general consensus of all players) making me more confident we should be voting Black/Titus directly which gives me more confidence we're making it out of the prism realm, I mean D3.

532 "Time doesn't really mean anything", bruh. What is black cooking? It's gonna give us food poisoning. Also them being psuedo-confident in a shadow scum world as of 546 leans back into the scum theatre world I speculated about but as Kyo played well if I am right on that, it makes me really nervous which world path to really go down.

Kyo/Black (601) lining up their votes to Black's solve but one on each is quite the play, it's actually impressive if this was scum motivated vote split. Not saying it is, but would be pretty cool. Would scum right after going for each other's throats line up on the same solve? In a vacuum it feels pretty unnatural but I don't have the context of time and lord knows I don't check the timestamp on the posts.

~~ START OF DAY 2 ~~

720 black throwing shit on somebody for doing what Black themselves have been doing all of Day 1.

TR:

Elements

TL:

NT:

NS:

Drew

SL:

Kyo

SR:

Black

[JacksonVirgo]

Not sure if I'm getting like blinded by my hatred for catchup or EoD1 was just a waste of space on MS's database

[Elements]

Not sure if I'm getting like blinded by my hatred for catchup or EoD1 was just a waste of space on MS's database

it was a fun mess that should've ended with kyo being limmed

[JacksonVirgo]

Also this game is an absolute blast to play, I haven't felt this level of nervousness around which direction to go down in a long ass time

[JacksonVirgo]

@Elements

, as you're here rn. Where do your reads land you

[JacksonVirgo]

Might speedrun the rest of the catchup, respond directly via quote if necessary

[JacksonVirgo]

I don’t think any of this is faked but I don’t see how this is clearing. I have had sorta similar experiences as scum, where I’ve been entirely indisposed and my slot was eliminated in that period, and it was very frustrating.

@Drew

, if you don't see this as AI at all. And you see it from scum frustration too, why would Cook then claim VT instead of not claiming and just venting frustration.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Elements

I don't really put much stock in meta-reads, not that I've played with Kyouko much at all regardless, and honestly with the way she's responded to both me and you I feel she's fairly townie. I'm standing by what I said in 861.

861 was a post by Kyo.

Not sure I get your progression on her.

Cheap ass reason to conf-bias myself, but would scum genuinely try and follow the progression in Drew's shoes?

[JacksonVirgo]

yoink

@mod I'm gonna take 1000 when it comes around

You failed, how pathetic.

[JacksonVirgo]

Love you tho <3

[JacksonVirgo]

JacksonVirgo replaces Cook.

The deadline is now unfrozen. The new day deadline is in (expired on 2023-12-28 14:42:34).

Omg who's this sexy fella that just replaced in?

[JacksonVirgo]

This is slow.

You keep saying this but you're doing nothing to change it

[JacksonVirgo]

Looking at Jackson I am also drawn to the statement in 1060 Re alignment, just seems performative. OK it’s not even tangible but it sticks in my mind.

Mwahahaha ur dead and now can't argue this anymore >:D

[JacksonVirgo]

Because if rather lim you. As it gives everyone better info.

We both had similar thoughts on the right direction of the game, sad that it was either me or you brother.

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright, caught up. Tempted to vote to force the gamestate in the direction I want it to go in rather than risk a townie doing a vote I hate.

[JacksonVirgo]

As I didn't get the backwards feedback of general play I won't vote as I am in the prime position to fall into confirmation bias, but I ask that nobody votes

[Elements]

Alright, caught up. Tempted to vote to force the gamestate in the direction I want it to go in rather than risk a townie doing a vote I hate.

currently I want to vote Kyo

[Elements]

hey look