Eminence in Shadow: Season 1 [Game Over]

[SirCakez]

I'm too town for elim and I don't even have to try hard to do it

I have to vote this bullshit
VOTE: alisae

this is a wolfclaim from cakez btw.
I know him enough to know this

Wait what?

no way he believes im mafia

I could be off here but I don't actually see where he called you mafia

Mm hmm but that would actually require Alisae to play the game and read my posts

[SirCakez]

You know what, sure, my vote isnt doing anything and i dont townread Cakez, heck i've gone into scumreading him a couple times but then back to neutral.
VOTE: Cakez

Vote feels bad and nervous

How is this a bad vote? You've been scumreading me like all game

[Luka]

Luka - I feel like I had a concrete reason early on, he was one of my earliest TRs. I can't remember right now. I do think given his recent posting while Cakez catches heat this could potentially be the 4th scum who is in a decent position right now. If I'm TRing scum, this is it.

Yeah im a really good deep wolf my thread position is really insane rn carrying my team

[Luka]

How is this a bad vote? You've been scumreading me like all game

it feels really akward and opportunistic after sakura just defended u

[Luka]

i think u are hungry for tinfoil

yumyum

[Sakura Hana]

and i think it's largely reaction oriented and mildly omgusy not so much proactive

fun fact, i've had this feeling about pooky this game, on the one hand on Anything Upick pooky wasnt like that, but he was hydra with firebringer who likes being scumread so that could've had something to do with it. This is my first time playing with Pooky outside that game so i'm not sure how to read him, i thought he was towny at first, and some things i do wonder if it's legit scumhunting or just reactions.
Like legit as soon as Gamma opens up voting him, he scumreads him. When Klick posts the thing about pooky/std/pp Pooky immediately scumreads Klick, when Dunn starts arguing with Pooky, Pooky starts scumreading Dunn.
I'm not sure if i'm forgetting something, but those seem to be Pooky's major scumreads and/or engagements this game and all of them have been reactionary, which is making me go "is this how town pooky plays? am i wrong and Pooky's just scum?". My only pause is that Pooky says that he primarly scumhunts by engaging with the reasons people scumread him so I'm seeing what happens for now.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh yeah there was Cakez voting pooky, to which Pooky also reacted scumreading Cakez

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I have literally no idea how to read Gamma, but Kyouko, if she's a super confident SR, why would you rather eliminate Cakez first? (Judging by your current vote)

I worry if I die Cakez might get away (not worried about Gamma getting away), and also I think wagoning Cakez will be more productive. I think wagons on both of them will help find 3rd/4th scum.

[Sakura Hana]

How is this a bad vote? You've been scumreading me like all game

it feels really akward and opportunistic after sakura just defended u

I defended Cakez?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Like if I had a bomb or whatever I would case Gamma and then bomb Cakez

[SirCakez]

I have literally no idea how to read Gamma, but Kyouko, if she's a super confident SR, why would you rather eliminate Cakez first? (Judging by your current vote)

I worry if I die Cakez might get away (not worried about Gamma getting away), and also I think wagoning Cakez will be more productive. I think wagons on both of them will help find 3rd/4th scum.

bruh when have I ever "gotten away" in ANY mafia game as ANY alignment?? I get eliminated in like 90% of my games regardless of if I'm town or scum. This doesn't seem like a real thought process

[SirCakez]

How is this a bad vote? You've been scumreading me like all game

it feels really akward and opportunistic after sakura just defended u

Ya it's awkward but I read the earnestness of it as town, like she didn't dress it up at all she just went fuck it and switched which I find to be townie

[Sakura Hana]

Like at this point i'm still thinking there has to be scum in the people that were pushing BCG before, and some of the major pushers were Ceph and Cakez, it's not impossible for both to be town and scum be hiding within people like PP, which is why i was trying to sort Cakez and Ceph at the time. None of that was defending either, i was defending BCG.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like if I had a bomb or whatever I would case Gamma and then bomb Cakez

Why wouldn’t you just case me now?

[Gamma Emerald]

I have literally no idea how to read Gamma, but Kyouko, if she's a super confident SR, why would you rather eliminate Cakez first? (Judging by your current vote)

I worry if I die Cakez might get away (not worried about Gamma getting away), and also I think wagoning Cakez will be more productive. I think wagons on both of them will help find 3rd/4th scum.

I feel like I’m in a similar boat where if both me + Cakez die, you’ll get away, so the only I’m okay with an elim on me/Cakez is if you go next

[Cephrir]

Like at this point i'm still thinking there has to be scum in the people that were pushing BCG before, and some of the major pushers were Ceph and Cakez, it's not impossible for both to be town and scum be hiding within people like PP, which is why i was trying to sort Cakez and Ceph at the time. None of that was defending either, i was defending BCG.

friends dont let friends preflip

curious why your attention is drawn by "major pushers" rather than anyone who joined in with less commitment but this is still analysis you do after someone flips town not before

[Klick]

I think Cakez/Gamma theory has good equity considering current thread presence

[Big Chungus Gaming]

i think if cakez is scum here i dont think anyone actually really caught him on merit of finding him not town, but rather sheer luck of scumreading him for playstyle, and I lean that cakez is kinda town here

[Sakura Hana]

curious why your attention is drawn by "major pushers" rather than anyone who joined in with less commitment but this is still analysis you do after someone flips town not before

Coz it felt like it was a malicious driving force, so i decided to start there.
As for the other question, BCG felt very towny on that post, and you're right, I probably shouldn't make those analysis pre-flip.

[Luka]

I defended Cakez?

yeah post before the vote there was a soft defense

[Luka]

[Big Chungus, Luka, Pooky, Alisae, Whemestar] <- Confident Towns
[Sakura, Penguin, Klick] <- Second Tier Towns
[JJH, Save the Dragons]] <- Above Null
[Ceph, T3] <- Null
{Dunnstural, Kaiwaii} <- Scum Lean
[Gamma, Cakez] <- Scums

Gamma Cepheral Dunnstural Cakez is looking very funny rn
Fairly certain top 2 tiers are pure

ill deviate from this when I need to

[Sakura Hana]

I defended Cakez?

yeah post before the vote there was a soft defense

Ah I see, that was me trying to figure out why Ali was voting Cakez unless you meant another post?

[Luka]

Ah I see, that was me trying to figure out why Ali was voting Cakez unless you meant another post?

I mean that. Felt like a soft defense and then an opportunistic hop on.

[Sakura Hana]

Ah I see, that was me trying to figure out why Ali was voting Cakez unless you meant another post?

I mean that. Felt like a soft defense and then an opportunistic hop on.

Well it was neither

[T3]

Mostly pre-flipping T3 into this team based on scum!Gamma's interactions with/around the slot

Such as?