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[FuDuzn]

Okay here we go.

I find Gamma suspicious for the townblock on day 1 when that’s a time where there’s really little basis for such a thing.

On the flipside I like Claptastic, Deltawave and Laplacian for calling it out.

I’m really mixed on Gypyx. She’s very active which is probably a good sign, but then again I don’t like my exchange with her. In #92 she feels the need to state that I shouldn’t blindly trust her, which is obvious enough that it irritated even me as a beginner. What follows is this strange discussion only to end it somewhat condescendingly in #206. Not a fan.

The thing is, it is super easy for scum to seem superficially towny for calling out the town blocc thing(in a world where Gamma is town)

Personally I am going back and forth on Gamma and Clap, thought Clap was clearly town early on but lately I almost feel like they are being exposed

[FuDuzn]

Okay here we go.

I find Gamma suspicious for the townblock on day 1 when that’s a time where there’s really little basis for such a thing.

On the flipside I like Claptastic, Deltawave and Laplacian for calling it out.

I’m really mixed on Gypyx. She’s very active which is probably a good sign, but then again I don’t like my exchange with her. In #92 she feels the need to state that I shouldn’t blindly trust her, which is obvious enough that it irritated even me as a beginner. What follows is this strange discussion only to end it somewhat condescendingly in #206. Not a fan.

The thing is, it is super easy for scum to seem superficially towny for calling out the town blocc thing(in a world where Gamma is town)

Personally I am going back and forth on Gamma and Clap, thought Clap was clearly town early on but lately I almost feel like they are being exposed

Ooh look at me all page top(cue Margot finding this scummy for.....reasons??)

[biancospino]

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Day 1 will end in (expired on 2024-01-14 01:13:22).

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MargotRosa (3):

Claptastik, Gypyx, Laplacian

lucca261 (2):

FuDuzn, DeltaWave

Upwards (1):

lucca261

Gamma Emerald (1):

Alianna

Alianna (1):

Naerys

Claptastik (1):

Gamma Emerald

FuDuzn (1):

MargotRosa

Not Voting (3):

Upwards, Zebedee, Hu Tao

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to send someone on the fast route to the afterlife.

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[MargotRosa]

It's a lean with reasoning backing up my reads, yeah.

I already said I had a slight scum read, and when I came back, your posts fit into a playstyle I see as scum-leaning, which solidified it.

[Claptastik]

Seems disingenuous = I don’t think you’re telling the whole story, or you’ve twisted something to fit your agenda
Idk why scum seem to fail to meta me believably either but I prefer to accept things when they’re true despite my lack of deeper understanding. Like, the best answer is “there’s an agenda behind it” but there’s a certain way it manifests that just doesn’t have any logical explanation to it.

I could go and show you acting more decisively and voting more frequently if you like, but if I do - are you just going to claim that's due to your experimental town block method this game? If so there's no point in me bothering.

[Claptastik]

I have won games almost solely by townblocking on day 1. Don’t be a hater.

Can you show a game where you were town and made a town block of 4 people 50 posts into the game? That would be helpful.

[FuDuzn]

It's a lean with reasoning backing up my reads, yeah.

I already said I had a slight scum read, and when I came back, your posts fit into a playstyle I see as scum-leaning, which solidified it.

Can you elaborate exactly how any of the posts I made that you linked to are scummy and not, ya know, how I play the game?

Like seriously saying me making a joke about the page top is scummy???

Like I said, I feel like you are being wildly disingenuous here. There is no world where you find everything I do as actually scummy.

[Claptastik]

The thing is, it is super easy for scum to seem superficially towny for calling out the town blocc thing(in a world where Gamma is town)

In a world where Gamma is town, how did she determine that 3 people were town that quickly?

Personally I am going back and forth on Gamma and Clap, thought Clap was clearly town early on but lately I almost feel like they are being exposed

In that case, it's interesting that you're talking about me, but not to me.

I'm talking with Gamma because I'm genuinely trying to sort her. Can't say that I like her reaction, but really it's NAI without meta.

[Gamma Emerald]

Seems disingenuous = I don’t think you’re telling the whole story, or you’ve twisted something to fit your agenda
Idk why scum seem to fail to meta me believably either but I prefer to accept things when they’re true despite my lack of deeper understanding. Like, the best answer is “there’s an agenda behind it” but there’s a certain way it manifests that just doesn’t have any logical explanation to it.

I could go and show you acting more decisively and voting more frequently if you like, but if I do - are you just going to claim that's due to your experimental town block method this game? If so there's no point in me bothering.

I can’t guarantee that won’t be my response but it isn’t for sure going to be that either. My meta is so expansive that just picking a range and praying will likely paint a pretty lacking picture.

[Gamma Emerald]

I have won games almost solely by townblocking on day 1. Don’t be a hater.

Can you show a game where you were town and made a town block of 4 people 50 posts into the game? That would be helpful.

I can probably find one eventually, as I said I’ve played a lot of games
I would rather just share the game where the strategy I’m basing this current gameplay on was executed successfully.

[FuDuzn]

Lucca, can we talk about Margot more?

But in secret this time lol

Pre edit: I am trying to gauge other's opinions on you(like asking Lucca earlier), like I said I had you as solidly town earlier but am doubting that read now.

And I have said I don't love how Gamma and Hu were so quick to town read me, but nothing really jumps out to me as scummy about Gamma besides that

[FuDuzn]

^^The pre Edit was directed at Clap, if not clear

[MargotRosa]

It's a lean with reasoning backing up my reads, yeah.

I already said I had a slight scum read, and when I came back, your posts fit into a playstyle I see as scum-leaning, which solidified it.

Can you elaborate exactly how any of the posts I made that you linked to are scummy and not, ya know, how I play the game?

Like seriously saying me making a joke about the page top is scummy???

Like I said, I feel like you are being wildly disingenuous here. There is no world where you find everything I do as actually scummy.

I didn't find everything you did scummy. I just gave some possible worst faith interpretations of what you said, which is often how I play the game, so I can reason through which of those worst faith interpretations are actually worth taking seriously.

I'm going to gestate, and do some further research. I'm also in the process of forming my full read list, which is difficult as many people haven't posted all that much, but should it have posted in the next couple days. Going to gf's dad's birthday in a few hours and then catching up on needed sleep, so may be a bit inactive in the interim

[MargotRosa]

Also, what do you mean by in secret in 285?

[FuDuzn]

It's a lean with reasoning backing up my reads, yeah.

I already said I had a slight scum read, and when I came back, your posts fit into a playstyle I see as scum-leaning, which solidified it.

Can you elaborate exactly how any of the posts I made that you linked to are scummy and not, ya know, how I play the game?

Like seriously saying me making a joke about the page top is scummy???

Like I said, I feel like you are being wildly disingenuous here. There is no world where you find everything I do as actually scummy.

I didn't find everything you did scummy. I just gave some possible worst faith interpretations of what you said, which is often how I play the game, so I can reason through which of those worst faith interpretations are actually worth taking seriously.

I'm going to gestate, and do some further research. I'm also in the process of forming my full read list, which is difficult as many people haven't posted all that much, but should it have posted in the next couple days. Going to gf's dad's birthday in a few hours and then catching up on needed sleep, so may be a bit inactive in the interim

You have used the possible worst faith interpretations, as you put it, and used it to push me as scum......without considering any other interpretation of my posts.

That is not how town would act

Lucca, no need to talk more, thank you for our dance we had.....maybe we will dance again soon, but time to get actual scum

VOTE: Margot

Back to this(although as someone who is town reading Margot, I would like your interpretation of this back and forth with me and her.....Lucca)

[Claptastik]

Pre edit: I am trying to gauge other's opinions on you(like asking Lucca earlier), like I said I had you as solidly town earlier but am doubting that read now.

^^The pre Edit was directed at Clap, if not clear

It seems like you're admitting to Margot's charge that you're fishing for support for a wagon rather than just pushing, but acting like that's a townie thing to do. It isn't, particularly on D1.

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[Claptastik]

I have won games almost solely by townblocking on day 1. Don’t be a hater.

Can you show a game where you were town and made a town block of 4 people 50 posts into the game? That would be helpful.

I can probably find one eventually, as I said I’ve played a lot of games
I would rather just share the game where the strategy I’m basing this current gameplay on was executed successfully.

Sounds good, let's see it.

[Gamma Emerald]

viewtopic.php?t=87397
Here you go

[Claptastik]

Quick meta read shows me Margot is a very decisive player both as town and scum. Firm reads, firm stances.

Yeah I looked at her earlier today and found the same thing.

[FuDuzn]

Pre edit: I am trying to gauge other's opinions on you(like asking Lucca earlier), like I said I had you as solidly town earlier but am doubting that read now.

^^The pre Edit was directed at Clap, if not clear

It seems like you're admitting to Margot's charge that you're fishing for support for a wagon rather than just pushing, but acting like that's a townie thing to do. It isn't, particularly on D1.

UNVOTE:

No, I am trying to figure out if you are town since I have my doubts now. I like other people opinions since I don't want to hang on to a stale read. And getting people to openly talk about reads holds people accountable for what they said and will expose those who are being disingenuous.

I will try to talk to everyone in this game at some point if I can because of that.

And if Margot is town and I was scum, I just would have stayed on her initially, she was at E-2, why would I leave to naked vote Lucca?

[FuDuzn]

Quick meta read shows me Margot is a very decisive player both as town and scum. Firm reads, firm stances.

Yeah I looked at her earlier today and found the same thing.

What games of hers in particular led you to believe this?

[Claptastik]

viewtopic.php?t=87397
Here you go

Thanks, but I don't see you declaring a town block there like you did here.

[FuDuzn]

I do like how spicy this game is starting to get

I have missed this place lol

[Gamma Emerald]

viewtopic.php?t=87397
Here you go

Thanks, but I don't see you declaring a town block there like you did here.

It happened much later in that game relatively speaking, but I think doing it so early isn’t exactly worse. It definitely helped get us out of RVS.

[Upwards]

So here are my initial thoughts after reading ISOs.

Lucca

- I already explained why lucca is in my scumpool and the ISO didn't really change that. In fact, I find it concerning that Lucca is potentially misrepping Upwards in Post 176. "Not to play armchair psychologist, but I think a guy who read a 100-person game on this website (and probably read several wallposts on the way) would feel a little more paranoid on his first post." Upwards didn't say that he read a 100 person game, just that he heard about it. So it's a bit unfair to assume (possibly wrongly) that he actually read it.

Nah, I did say that I read it. ( Although skimmed would have been a more fitting word tbh ) So the premise here isn’t accurate.

I still agree with the notion that there should be more interesting stuff to talk about though…