Open 899 - The Pizza Kids Coalition [Game Over]

[DeasVail]

*I think Appearance as scum would probably try harder to have more "solid" opinions

[Elements]

btw, i just realised it's elements bday (or maybe my timezone is early).
just in case, happy bday, elements!

I've got another 2 hours to go but thank you!

[T3]

implosion’s reasoning for reads so far has resonated with me and i don’t think anything feels forced (which i think is more important in this setup because wolves want to sneak in at least one of them)

Agreed although iirc he's good at faking that as scum

[Prism]

Coalition Vote Count 0.3

Chuck E. Cheese's Spaghetti and Meatball Pizza

Coalition	Voters
Klick, DragonEater70, Elements, DeasVail, Appearance (1)	DragonEater70
Klick, Ydrasse, DragonEater70, DeasVail (1)	Klick
Elements, T3, DragonEater70, Ydrasse (1)	Appearance
implosion, DragonEater70, ssbm_Kyouko (1)	Ydrasse
ssbm_Kyouko, Elements (1)	ssbm_Kyouko
Elements, DragonEater70 (1)	implosion
Not Voting (3)	DeasVail, T3, Elements

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to form a coalition.

No coalition has been achieved. The Coalition Phase deadline is in (expired on 2024-01-10 23:00:00).

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Elements if we were in the voting stage (not coalition) who would you be voting for now?

right now probably ydra

Also if you can think of this, who would you have voted for so far before the hypothetical "current" vote?

I don't get what you mean here?

Like, you vote different people a lot - if there was no coalition phase, who might you have voted *before* Ydra

[DragonEater70]

Yeah okay after reading DV's wallposts on the last page, I am pretty sure my coalition is either all town, or Klick is the deepwolf.

Can anybody here read Klick really well? DV? implo? Ydra? I'd like to know if you think Klick could be deepwolfing or nah

[DragonEater70]

I'm also just gonna read a few of his wolf games

[DeasVail]

Yeah okay after reading DV's wallposts on the last page, I am pretty sure my coalition is either all town, or Klick is the deepwolf.

Can anybody here read Klick really well? DV? implo? Ydra? I'd like to know if you think Klick could be deepwolfing or nah

My thoughts on Klick being deepwolf are currently “nah”

[DragonEater70]

Good

Then I'm sold on this coalition

[DragonEater70]

I'm also just gonna read a few of his wolf games

Turns out Klick really doesn't like to play wolf, judging by repping out of 2 recent wolf games and lurking out a third one (in a hydra).

[DragonEater70]

Chuck E. Cheese's Spaghetti and Meatball Pizza

Why is this a thing?

[DragonEater70]

@Elements, this is not to help me sort you as much as it is to help me help Klick sort you, but:

What read do you think a generic town player this game should have on you? And what do you think about my hard townread of you, considering how I hard TR'd you in our last game (where you were quite different)?

A preference for answers longer than one word.

[Elements]

Elements if we were in the voting stage (not coalition) who would you be voting for now?

right now probably ydra

Also if you can think of this, who would you have voted for so far before the hypothetical "current" vote?

I don't get what you mean here?

Like, you vote different people a lot - if there was no coalition phase, who might you have voted *before* Ydra

in no particular order likely; dragons, myself, implo, T3, you, any wagons of 2 or more
but I'm also quite low eneergy this game so I doubt I would've moved my vote that much tbh
not sure how this is helping you sort me bu go ahead

[implosion]

this gamestate is pretty demotivating for me. i'm pretty sure any seemingly-likely coalition right now is going to just fail and i'll be able to do things then but oy.

I think my ideal coalition right now would be me/elements/kyouko/ydrasse/(t3 or maybe klick)

Is there a reason for this in your opinion, or are you just putting it out there "in case" she's TMIing you and not "because you suspect" she's TMIing you? I reread over what Ydrasse posted about you originally and her talk about you with DE, and it seems like it's all been genuine

and that's like, *wildly* far away from what's being proposed. Which at least means if my reads are any good then it might be a 2 scum coalition.
yeah it's just "in case"

I'm kind of lost on "rhetorical" sway - is that just like "influence" over the game? I don't really know what rhetorical means outside of a "rhetorical" question
Are you trying to compare Dragon's sureness in his coalition to this HoH player's sureness? And saying Dragon doesn't have the same influence as HoH had?

Yes, influence over the gamestate. Basically he gives similar vibes to the other game and he doesn't have the same influence as Hero at Heart did in the other game really but he's becoming pretty widely townread (which is part of where that influence came from in the other game) and he's the main person strongly pushing his coalition.

[implosion]

I think the main concern I have re: implosion at the moment is that he clearly has a very logical approach to thinking about the game and his reads etc., but it seems to me that there are examples here where he departs from this to make (what I believe are) less logical points for the sake of convenience. 165 really struck me as something like this because the point about Klick's rhetoric being different should have been enough. Klick's group having "a much higher chance of being all town" shouldn't be a reason why Klick's post was less concerning? Especially since I believe implosion as town would be the kind of player that would expect there to be some amount of error in his early reads in need of re-evaluation.

I mean, I don't see why that isn't a reason for it to be less concerning? It's coalition. If Dragoneater pushes his coalition through to be accepted and it has scum, we've failed phase one. If Klick pushes his coalition through to be accepted and it does not have scum, we win the game. Of course I probably have some error in my reads but at that point you and Appearance were basically my soft PoE and you were both in Dragon's coalition, and he was pushing it in a way that implied a sort of incommensurate surety where it reminded me of the other game of someone pushing a very wrong coalition with a lot of bravado and getting burned. Klick's group had only one of my soft PoE, and it was only a group of 4 people so it's sort of less concerning for him to be pushing it all at once if he's still trying to figure out the fifth (that is, I'm less afraid of him stubbornly digging in his heels on an entire wrong coalition very early and just dooming us).

Can anybody here read Klick really well? DV? implo? Ydra? I'd like to know if you think Klick could be deepwolfing or nah

Nah, I think I've played some with him but don't remember his meta at all.

[implosion]

(nah as in nah i can't read him really well. I do think he's town though)

[DragonEater70]

Thanks!

[DragonEater70]

@Elements, any chance you can answer my questions?

Also why would you be voting Ydra?

[Klick]

I think my ideal coalition right now would be me/elements/kyouko/ydrasse/(t3 or maybe klick)

I'd love to hear your reservations about DragonEater. You currently have a Heal vote on him

[DragonEater70]

His reservations is he's scum, duh

[Elements]

@Elements, any chance you can answer my questions?

Also why would you be voting Ydra?

Tomorrow evening
I'm doing birthday things for the rest of today and most of tomorrow

[Klick]

That is my theory atm but I want to hear out the alternative

[Klick]

Happy bday Elements

[DragonEater70]

@Appearance, considering that right now the most viable colaition builds seem to be something along the lines of Dragon/VD/Klick + 2 out of {Elements, Ydrasse, Appearance}*, would you endeavor to read both Klick and VD and tell me what do you think about adding them to the coalition?

*This is based on me being in 5 coalitions (highest number), Elements being in 4 coalitions (second highest number, and the mutual towncoring and assumption of leadership between me, Klick and VD

Pedit: happy birthday!

[Appearance]

@Appearance, considering that right now the most viable colaition builds seem to be something along the lines of Dragon/VD/Klick + 2 out of {Elements, Ydrasse, Appearance}*, would you endeavor to read both Klick and VD and tell me what do you think about adding them to the coalition?

sure.
i ended up hiking yesterday so i'll read dv's iso today.