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Gamma Emerald (5):

Alianna, Claptastik, Upwards, Naerys, DeltaWave

MargotRosa (3):

Gypyx, Laplacian, FuDuzn

DeltaWave (2):

Hu Tao, Zebedee

Upwards (1):

lucca261

FuDuzn (1):

MargotRosa

Naerys (1):

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (0).

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to send someone on the fast route to the afterlife.

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[Hu Tao]

There can only be one greek name

[Naerys]

That reason sounds weak, Gamma and dishonest

[Gamma Emerald]

I was also being directly pressed to do something with my vote. So like, I see it as a fair and viable option to use my currently-inactive vote to place additional incentive to address my concerns. Plus, I think your approach to me is quite one-dimensional as of now.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma are you willing to vote delta?

Not yet
I am gonna stay on Naerys until she actually answers my questions

[MargotRosa]

I am catching up rn and this Gamma wagon absolutely reeks to me. The whole way this has gone down only makes me feel more confident about my town read on Gamma, and I am going to need to take some time to think about how everyone else is engaging with it

[MargotRosa]

If I hadn't already voted FD, I'd definitely throw my first vote at Zeb on gut alone right now

[Claptastik]

I mean I get your point regarding the deadline that’s a fine argument but I don’t think you understood my line of thinking in this case. What do you make of the fact that Delta is currently voting Gamma but vows to back down should it come to E-1 while Hu Tao does the opposite with not voting but vowing to do so should it come to E-1? For me it blurrs the line of who can be held responsible since they’re both saying one thing but currently doing the other.

First, please get an avatar, it makes it easier for others to read the game.

From what I've seen, both playing and looking back, there's some bad site meta that comes into play here. On the face of it Delta pings me for the comment, BUT there seems to be a lot of people on this site who think you pretty much always have to go down to deadline in order to generate more info, so that's a mitigating factor.

With Hu Tao, you can have more than one scum read, so no problem voting one person but saying you'll vote another. Also there's site meta that a quickhammer is scummy, so announcing before the fact could be a CYA move. OTOH, in the scenario that gamma and Hu are scum together, Hu's announcement could be a way to avoid gamma's lim while maintaining distancing. I don't see that scenario as highly likely right now, but it's possible.

Regarding quickhammers in general, there's a time and place for them. Here's a game where I, as town, quickhammered scum:
viewtopic.php?p=14023291#p14023291

In this game, we had scum (including gamma in a hydra) at E-1 on D1:
viewtopic.php?p=14010270#p14010270

But then a townie dropped off because so many people here chant the more info mantra:
viewtopic.php?p=14010285&f=51&t=91997&u ... #p14010285

It can be really difficult to get a failed scum wagon back on track. What frequently happens, and what happened in that case, was we went on to lim a low activity townie.

[Claptastik]

Yes
Alianna and Zeb are the other 2

So your scum reads are a newbie, an inactive, and someone who's being replaced.

[Claptastik]

I am catching up rn and this Gamma wagon absolutely reeks to me. The whole way this has gone down only makes me feel more confident about my town read on Gamma, and I am going to need to take some time to think about how everyone else is engaging with it

If I hadn't already voted FD, I'd definitely throw my first vote at Zeb on gut alone right now

This gamma wagon absolutely reeks to me.

I'm willing to vote two people right now, neither of whom are on the gamma wagon.

[MargotRosa]

The FD vote has little to do with the Gamma wagon. Zeb's interaction with the Gamma wagon does though.

[Claptastik]

MargotRosa (3): Gypyx, Laplacian, FuDuzn

If you guys vote Gamma today, I'll vote Margot tomorrow if I'm still around!

[Claptastik]

The FD vote has little to do with the Gamma wagon. Zeb's interaction with the Gamma wagon does though.

So what reeks about the gamma wagon? If FD and Zeb are scum, that means the gamma wagon is at least 4/5 town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes
Alianna and Zeb are the other 2

So your scum reads are a newbie, an inactive, and someone who's being replaced.

NO YOU FUCKING MORON

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: claptastik
I literally just complained about what you were doing. DIE.

[Claptastik]

I literally have players misrepresenting me from A to Z this game
ftr this isn’t the negative connotation misrepresentation per se, it’s just funnier if I say it this way

If I thought a lot of people were misrepresenting me, I'd consider the possibility that maybe it's me who's communicating poorly.

[Gamma Emerald]

No, there’s just some symptoms of being terminally online from some of y’all
I even fucking said I townread every single one of the people I was calling out with that before that post. You were 100% fishing for a reason to make me look bad.

[Claptastik]

Yes
Alianna and Zeb are the other 2

So your scum reads are a newbie, an inactive, and someone who's being replaced.

NO YOU FUCKING MORON

I see it now, but considering his post also referred to your lack of scum reads, I don't see that my interpretation deserved that response.

[Claptastik]

No, there’s just some symptoms of being terminally online from some of y’all
I even fucking said I townread every single one of the people I was calling out with that before that post. You were 100% fishing for a reason to make me look bad.

I don't need to fish for a reason to make you look bad. You're doing that well enough on your own.

But OK, do you have any other scum reads?

Who are your town reads?

[Claptastik]

Weird thing: when I feel like just hopping immediately into a game, there's nothing open in the replacement queue. But when I'm in a game that needs a replacement, it takes forever to find one.

[DeltaWave]

Gamma are you willing to vote delta?

Are you willing to explain your vote?

[Gamma Emerald]

I actually like how Zeb engaged with me so this better be good, Delta

I think Alianna is townish after combing all her posts
The combo of 157 + 161 stand out because I liked her going back to add more thoughts on the same post: I have a tell that scum like to condense their content and limit their thread availability so the opposite of that I feel like should be a towntell, and posting new ideas as you get them definitely falls into both not condensing content and making yourself more available to be interacted with.

I think my read on FD has been pretty unambiguous so I don’t need a specific quote
The only part open to interpretation is my Zeb read, which you could have, I don’t know,

asked about it

, but you instead leapt at the chance to shade me further.

[Gamma Emerald]

No, there’s just some symptoms of being terminally online from some of y’all
I even fucking said I townread every single one of the people I was calling out with that before that post. You were 100% fishing for a reason to make me look bad.

I don't need to fish for a reason to make you look bad. You're doing that well enough on your own.

But OK, do you have any other scum reads?

Who are your town reads?

my working theory for who is scum is you + one of Naerys or Delta + someone off-wagon

[Claptastik]

What's your read on Margot?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think my townreads are generally pretty known so I don’t understand why you don’t seem to be processing them, but to give some updates: out of my original townblock, FD is the one I trust the most still. gypyx is still alright but I feel a lack of new stuff to feel good about. HT I just have a playstyle issue with so she’s probably still trustworthy but her status as townblock material is questionable. Alianna and Zeb I would potentially place above gypyx and/or HT but I’m not worrying about those degrees of striation rn. Upwards atp would have to be really good as scum to be fooling me, I think.
Margot kinda strikes me as not having much of an agenda but I currently perceive her as just taking potshots at my wagon, I think more granular inspection would be better.