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[DragonEater70]

Reminder: Day 1 will end in (expired on 2024-01-14 01:13:22).

I will make a votecount later.

[lucca261]

Honestly I've been lurking on the thread a couple of times and it seems nothing actually happened those two past days (a lot of the posts are the Clap - Gamma argument that kinda bored me)

will re-read with more attention later, but for now

VOTE: Laplacian

[Hu Tao]

Upwards - towny
Naerys - towny
Claptastik - towny
lucca261 -??
FuDuzn - town
Gamma Emerald - leaning sus
Laplacian - towny
Zebedee - ???
Gypyx - Leaning slightly towny
MargotRosa - scummy
DeltaWave - scummy
Alianna - ????

This is where I am right now. I usually don't have this many reads to start so something could be wrong.

Why is Gamma "leaning sus?"

I explained but because she tried to join and make a town block with me

[Gamma Emerald]

Well fuck you too

[Hu Tao]

[Upwards]

Honestly I've been lurking on the thread a couple of times and it seems nothing actually happened those two past days (a lot of the posts are the Clap - Gamma argument that kinda bored me)

will re-read with more attention later, but for now

VOTE: Laplacian

What’s that vote for Lucca? From what I’ve seen you’ve disliked his early posting but never really explained why. Whereas you had explained why you disliked mine.

Also there did happen something with the Delta/Hu Tao situation around Gammas potential E-1, even if for some reason I seem to be the only player finding that noteworthy at all. Any thoughts on that perhaps?

[DeltaWave]

Upwards - towny
Naerys - towny
Claptastik - towny
lucca261 -??
FuDuzn - town
Gamma Emerald - leaning sus
Laplacian - towny
Zebedee - ???
Gypyx - Leaning slightly towny
MargotRosa - scummy
DeltaWave - scummy
Alianna - ????

This is where I am right now. I usually don't have this many reads to start so something could be wrong.

Why is Gamma "leaning sus?"

I explained but because she tried to join and make a town block with me

Why particularly do you find that sus

[Gamma Emerald]

You’ve said the same thing so I don’t know why you’re beefing, Delta

[Hu Tao]

Upwards - towny
Naerys - towny
Claptastik - towny
lucca261 -??
FuDuzn - town
Gamma Emerald - leaning sus
Laplacian - towny
Zebedee - ???
Gypyx - Leaning slightly towny
MargotRosa - scummy
DeltaWave - scummy
Alianna - ????

This is where I am right now. I usually don't have this many reads to start so something could be wrong.

Why is Gamma "leaning sus?"

I explained but because she tried to join and make a town block with me

Why particularly do you find that sus

Why wouldn't joining an existing town core when not asked sus?

[Gamma Emerald]

You’re misunderstanding the meaning of what I did
I wasn’t just trying to join your pair, I was trying to take the pairs of me + gypyx and you + FD and weld them together

[DeltaWave]

Upwards - towny
Naerys - towny
Claptastik - towny
lucca261 -??
FuDuzn - town
Gamma Emerald - leaning sus
Laplacian - towny
Zebedee - ???
Gypyx - Leaning slightly towny
MargotRosa - scummy
DeltaWave - scummy
Alianna - ????

This is where I am right now. I usually don't have this many reads to start so something could be wrong.

Why is Gamma "leaning sus?"

I explained but because she tried to join and make a town block with me

Why particularly do you find that sus

Why wouldn't joining an existing town core when not asked sus?

Where I'm going with this is that you apparently scumread me because you thought that a post of mine was just filler or something like that. (It wasn't filler, but that's beside the point for right now.)

For now, let's also put aside the fact that there are many filler posts in this game, including zero-content post like "page top" posts.

How is Gamma's town block shenanigans

less

scummy than a post that you thought was just filler? Your logic isn't logicing.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Hu Tao is just being extraordinarily petty this game in her reasoning

[Hu Tao]

I've clearly said I've gotten a lot of townreads so far. So anyone giving me any sort of pause is fine for me to vote

[Gypyx]

This is the current state of the gamma wagon :

Spoiler:

OK, I misunderstood the reference.

That's fine. Overall my town read on you still stands because of everything else. But this goes to show that sometimes you can just misread a thread- which is how this whole line of conversation started, with my mistake on Lucca's post.

VOTE: Gamma, but I would unvote if Gamma got to E-1. I still want to get more information out of Alianna's replacement and to get some more activity in general going from people who are lower in the post counts. I'd also like Zeb to explain his vote, which seemed to come out of nowhere, and which made me think some things that I'll share after he explains.

I thought Hu Tao´s entry was towny but as the game progressed, i dont like her dynamics with Gamma at all.
Also dont like Gamma´s reasoning for switching vote on Claptastik. Overall i get a feeling like Gamma is trying to position herself as town, and is worried that she doesnt look towny enough.
I think Gamma+Hu Tao are buddies.
VOTE: Gamma

Okay here we go.

I find Gamma suspicious for the townblock on day 1 when that’s a time where there’s really little basis for such a thing.

On the flipside I like Claptastic, Deltawave and Laplacian for calling it out.

I’m really mixed on Gypyx. She’s very active which is probably a good sign, but then again I don’t like my exchange with her. In #92 she feels the need to state that I shouldn’t blindly trust her, which is obvious enough that it irritated even me as a beginner. What follows is this strange discussion only to end it somewhat condescendingly in #206. Not a fan.

this is surface level analysis
Regardless of my alignment I think calling my townblock out is an easy thing to do as scum. This seems less like a real thought process and more like reflexively giving townpoints to player who’ve criticized me.

I will have you know that all my thoughts are perfectly real, thank you very much. Sorry if they don’t live up to your standards.

So here’s the thing, I believe you’re right. It is an easy play for Scum to call out Townblocks. But it’s just as easy for Scum to get the idea of forming an early town block. And the latter would be way more problematic so that’s what I am more concerned with right now.

So what do you make of that?

I think it would be foolish for me to pigeonhole myself into a position where I would have to maintain my towniness when I feel like I am better at scum when sieing chaos and letting my flip cause wild goose chases

Yeah okay but if you’re scum why play for eventually getting flipped? It actively makes it harder to fulfill Mafias Win Con.

This looks to me like a dubious exchange at best. So nothing I’d reasonably expect from a player like you who has claimed to have played a ton of games.

In other words, I don’t believe you here.

Therefore

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Excellent, great minds etc!

riddle me this: what's my scum motive here? Since you + Delta seem dead set on suspecting me here

I previously gave a scum motive for it, and it seems like you saw it, so why are you asking again, as if no motive had been given?

You do realize I stated my approach to this game was a bit special, right?

Yes, and I find that approach - declaring a 4-person townblock in post 44 - to be highly suspicious.

Town blocks are great when they form organically, over time. I don't see town motivation for your approach. Seems more likely to be scum buddying.

Before that, Delta said the same in 162.

Now, you tell me what you think the scum motive is. As noted, your point that it's easy to call someone out as scummy for a premature manufactured town block means that you also see apparent scum motivation for it. Do you also think it's for buddying, or do you have additional reasons?

Earlier you said something about doing this for private reasons. If you now had reacted like

Yeah, I know it appears scummy, but again I have private reasons for doing it

I probably would have let it slide, at least today. But, you're doubling down, pointing fingers at me and others and acting like we're scummy for pointing out the obvious - which, again, you unwittingly agreed to by saying that scum reading you here is easy.

VOTE: Gamma

VOTE: DragonEater70

This draconian leader must be overthrown! Anarchy must reign!!!

I do agree with this after we kill Gamma

Fine, Gamma can die first.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

VOTE: Alianna
I am familiar with 2 players in this game

Then don't vote Alianna

We have, from the oldest to the newest

a RVS vote

Claptastik who, idk, kinda feels like he's tunnelled? Obviously there's some right stuff coming from him, but there also a lot of "Yeah Gamma interacted with a lot of people, let's kill her for info !" which just sounds like a way to justify your vote when she's flipping town (ok tinfoil off i swear)

upwards who, no offense but his vote isn't really based on a lot more than not understeanding the place gamma is coming from, which that's somewhat fair but i think we can ask more for a day 1 flip

Naerys is calling a tilt vote from Gamma as "being worried she isn't towny enough" which, huh, don't think that's how being scum works, i especially don't think scum gamma feeds a whole 3 pages long argument to clap so that he can lock himself onto her

And Deltawave is looking pretty reasonable, but also came last so it's not even like she gave the spark and made the others follow through, i'd probably call her wrong for the right reasons

i think that i can say without exagerrating much that there's litterally a single good vote on this wagon

i'm also feeling somewhat less confident about margot, would be down to try laplacian if it's a viable counterwagon

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Laplacian
I want to actually put the wheels in motion here.

I live! Event over, wife won a silver and a gold in her divisions. Been vaguely keeping up, will effortpost later when at a computer and not phone posting from an uber.

Until then, happy to vote Gamma, Delta, Margot

Will not vote HT, Gypyx

Can be persuaded on everyone else

*persuasion can come in the form of arguments, being the only valid slot when day is almost over, or if i get to hammer

I live! Event over, wife won a silver and a gold in her divisions. Been vaguely keeping up, will effortpost later when at a computer and not phone posting from an uber.

Until then, happy to vote Gamma, Delta, Margot

Will not vote HT, Gypyx

Can be persuaded on everyone else

your limpool is gross, it’s basically every viable vote at this moment.

Upward would be on there too, but I really dont want to lim a newbie day 1

This is just a massive letdown after hyping himself up.

[Naerys]

[lucca261]

Honestly I've been lurking on the thread a couple of times and it seems nothing actually happened those two past days (a lot of the posts are the Clap - Gamma argument that kinda bored me)

will re-read with more attention later, but for now

VOTE: Laplacian

What’s that vote for Lucca? From what I’ve seen you’ve disliked his early posting but never really explained why. Whereas you had explained why you disliked mine.

Also there did happen something with the Delta/Hu Tao situation around Gammas potential E-1, even if for some reason I seem to be the only player finding that noteworthy at all. Any thoughts on that perhaps?

Because his catch-up post is the most generic, 'go with the flow' readslist I have ever seen. I also don't really get the Hu Tao townread from him. It seems like a fake read to me
Saying he's "open to vote" the three most suspected slots on the game while scumreading the fourth most suspected slot and applying no pressure? It's not a town mindset

What's your opinion on the post? @559

[Gamma Emerald]

Got anything useful to say?

[lucca261]

Honestly I've been lurking on the thread a couple of times and it seems nothing actually happened those two past days (a lot of the posts are the Clap - Gamma argument that kinda bored me)

will re-read with more attention later, but for now

VOTE: Laplacian

What’s that vote for Lucca? From what I’ve seen you’ve disliked his early posting but never really explained why. Whereas you had explained why you disliked mine.

Also there did happen something with the Delta/Hu Tao situation around Gammas potential E-1, even if for some reason I seem to be the only player finding that noteworthy at all. Any thoughts on that perhaps?

Because his catch-up post is the most generic, 'go with the flow' readslist I have ever seen. I also don't really get the Hu Tao townread from him. It seems like a fake read to me
Saying he's "open to vote" the three most suspected slots on the game while scumreading the fourth most suspected slot and applying no pressure? It's not a town mindset

What's your opinion on the post? @559

there's also the possibility that it's just a disguised prod-dodge from disinterested town to be fair

[Naerys]

Got anything useful to say?

As of this moment no, i dont feel like anything that is noteworthy happened

[Gamma Emerald]

So you were prodging, okay

[Naerys]

I feel like this talking is just a buzzing noise, leading us nowhere

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like this talking is just a buzzing noise, leading us nowhere

What talking, people coming to an agreement that Lap is suspicious?

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