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Post Post #1450 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 2:51 pm

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In post 1446, Comical wrote: This is the list of players in the game.

1 of these are confirmed scum. 1 of these, if we dont fade in doctor claims today like Enchant brought up, is the fade today. So take 2 of the total out.

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Gypyx
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originally 7, then minus 2. 5

So on a base level, that is a 20% chance that info will be lost forever if the kill is in there, assuming I protect Naerys.

This is before any PR softs, crumbing, and general vibe checking from the scum team, which naturally raises it up some. How much? Who knows.

But not mass claiming, we already have an above 20% chance to lose out on information that a lone PR in there would have at base line.

If scum happen to have another PR and role copped/vanilla copped somewhere, that brings the chances even higher. I don't think we do, but ya.

So question is, are we okay with the above 20% chance of losing out on information here?

By avoiding a mass claim, that answers the question as a Yes.
So these numbers change now that I see Upwards claim.

This makes it 7-3=4. a 1 in 4 chance of hitting lone town PR

25% chance+ before any extras scum vibe checks or individual reads.
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Post Post #1451 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 2:53 pm

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Anyone turning down a Mass Claim today automatically states they are okay with 25%+ chance of losing out on info.

This is exactly what Hu Tao scum did by trying to stop my pushing of a Mass Claim.

Hu Tao also knows that I push this hard as town for a mass claim. There is no way Hu Tao sees this as ScumMe here.
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Post Post #1452 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 2:54 pm

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In post 1441, Comical wrote: The last time Hu Tao tried to shut down my mass claim, Hu Tao was scum, and we lost out on Info, and the PR that could have given us information during that mass claim died, and we didn't get the info.

there's some differences, but if we go to night here, and an unclaimed PR is sniped out, then once again, I am vindicated.

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In post 906, Flavor Leaf wrote: We should mass claim before we hammer, unless that was it. It might be. Hu Tao's already like 99% of the time about to be killed, and it'll allow other PR's to go accordingly based on different act
In post 909, Flavor Leaf wrote: Okay, cool.

Yeah, nono is always the play here.

I think we should mass claim, and I think Hu Tao should choose the order.
In post 912, Hu Tao wrote: I don't think we need to mass claim. There is a likely doctor here and I don't think it's wise to out them since I got roleblocked and scum have a role blocker.
In post 913, Hu Tao wrote: I think we just vote and end day. And doc is on me or Gera.
In post 914, Flavor Leaf wrote: wait, whoever got doc'd is conf town, though
In post 915, Flavor Leaf wrote: we lose out on that info if doc ended up dying tonight
In post 916, Ame wrote: Not doing mass claim. Just yeet so we can move the game along.
In post 919, Hu Tao wrote: No mass claim. I think we just vote
Redoing this, showing the last time Hu Tao tried to stop me from pushing a Mass Claim. They were scum.

AND GUESS WHAT

WE DIDNT MASS CLAIM AND TOWN LOST INFORMATION AND TOWN LOST THE GAME
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Post Post #1453 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:01 pm

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I'm going to make a list.


Hu Tao is fine with losing a 25%+ chance of losing info.
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Post Post #1454 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:02 pm

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who else is fine with it?
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Post Post #1455 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:03 pm

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im suiciding if i am scum here

if you think i do that as scum in this spot, well....dont know what to tell ya, probably should look past the surface when you play
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Post Post #1456 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:06 pm

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fuck it

lose the game

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Post Post #1457 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:06 pm

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sheep my reads in death
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Post Post #1458 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:06 pm

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Lap->Hu Tao->Gypyx wins the game almost always.
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Post Post #1459 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:07 pm

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Lose Naerys tonight is fine, you'll keep last pr alive.
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Post Post #1460 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:08 pm

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I could really use a VC.
When there's trouble, you call DW.

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Post Post #1461 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:08 pm

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if ya need my flip to do get there, so be it

ill be the martyr i need to be
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Post Post #1462 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:12 pm

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Enchant (4): Naerys, Hu Tao, Deltawave, Gypyx,
Delta (1): Enchant
Comical (3): Prince of Paterson, Laplacian, Comical

Not Voting (2): Upwards, lucca261

where we are at.

Fucking no votes on Lap and Hu tao/Gypyx on Enchant shows where scum is at.

Gypyx garbage vote on Enchant considering they moved FROM Lap.
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Post Post #1463 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:12 pm

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In post 1458, Comical wrote: Lap->Hu Tao->Gypyx wins the game almost always.
So it might mean Gypyx should go first, and Hu Tao just being surface level again
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Post Post #1464 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:12 pm

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In post 1442, Comical wrote: Frankly, I feel it's likely we have 1 more town PR, and if we do I will protect them tonight.

It's most likely another investigative of some sort,
and by saying this, if I were scum here, if they ended up dying, that would be a scum claim. If it's something like a Role Cop or Vanilla Cop, that can legitimately confirm that I am Doctor here, while getting their Night 1 action and basically locking them in for getting here tomorrow.
In post 796, Laplacian wrote: Also, setup speculation since DE70 was has past games in his sig.

His 2 games leaned towards lots of weaker roles, with lots of use or time restrictions. This matches maf's 1 shot jug, so I'd expect them to have 1 more PR waiting. Rolecop could make sense with the 4+ town PRs I'm assuming.

We definitely have a bodyguard or doc because of the jug. From the two one-shot roles, this game fits the weaker roles meta. I'd guess 1 more solid role or 2 weak ones,
probably including a limited investigator either way.
Stealing my work and pretending it's theirs to look towny.

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In post 1159, Comical wrote: Alianna still in this game, right?
In post 1171, Comical wrote: Oh IM CLAP :lol:
Rofl, these don't exactly fill me with confidence on your reads.
In post 1183, Comical wrote: Hey, I replaced Macho, i knew that.

Confidence is key. Even if you aren’t sure in reads be sure in that.

I’m decently confident with Enchant town, but wanna take some time to check out VC’s more

The early discrediting attempts is already a good sign for my reads imo
Tries to shade me for calling out his reads while barely knowing the game

In post 906, Mucho Man Randy Passion wrote:
In post 796, Laplacian wrote: Also, setup speculation since DE70 was has past games in his sig.

His 2 games leaned towards lots of weaker roles, with lots of use or time restrictions. This matches maf's 1 shot jug, so I'd expect them to have 1 more PR waiting. Rolecop could make sense with the 4+ town PRs I'm assuming.

We definitely have a bodyguard or doc because of the jug. From the two one-shot roles, this game fits the weaker roles meta. I'd guess 1 more solid role or 2 weak ones, probably including a limited investigator either way.
In post 797, Laplacian wrote: Also, this is not fishing for claims, shut the fuck up about your role unless you have something actionable or your role is kaput
ha. HAHAHAHAHAHA

BEGONE tiny mafia

VOTE: Laplacian
MMRP, the former Comical slot, also tries to push me immediately before managing to pocket me

In post 1451, Comical wrote: Anyone turning down a Mass Claim today automatically states they are okay with 25%+ chance of losing out on info.

This is exactly what Hu Tao scum did by trying to stop my pushing of a Mass Claim.

Hu Tao also knows that I push this hard as town for a mass claim. There is no way Hu Tao sees this as ScumMe here.
Trying to convince people to mass claim so they can yeet the potential other investigative role.
In post 1440, Comical wrote: Notice the clean roles, 1-shot or full. 3-shot is wacky.

The town in Lap and I is clearly me, and it's comical to think otherwise.
Pretending a 3-shot is an insane role when most simple normal games only last 4-6 days and DE has a penchant for weird roles

In post 1455, Comical wrote: im suiciding if i am scum here

if you think i do that as scum in this spot, well....dont know what to tell ya, probably should look past the surface when you play
If I'm scum,
my cc would also be suicide.


In post 1456, Comical wrote: fuck it

lose the game

VOTE: Comical

getting a big ol i told you so post game
Salty self-voting because the gambit didn't work


They knew I was town going into this, went after me because I'm on many peoples scum list and thought they found an easy target. It failed, and now Comical is flailing for anyone to trust them. Go reread my day 2 start with my doc role in mind.
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Post Post #1465 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:13 pm

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Hate how I'm playing, but know I know what the hell im talking about
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Post Post #1466 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:14 pm

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In post 1464, Laplacian wrote: If I'm scum, my cc would also be suicide.
you tried to push like we both could be Doctor :lol:

only reason we're in this spot cuz of the Duplicate rule, which I didnt even need to call you out as scum.
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Post Post #1467 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:15 pm

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Yes, this is exactly how I play as scum. so good. this is such next level scum play by me
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Post Post #1468 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:16 pm

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I'm going to re-read Lap. Obviously, there can't be two doctors in this game. It has to be one or the other today.
When there's trouble, you call DW.

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Post Post #1469 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:16 pm

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Does the duplicate rule apply when one is an X-shot and one is full doc?
When there's trouble, you call DW.

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Post Post #1470 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:17 pm

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In post 1469, DeltaWave wrote: Does the duplicate rule apply when one is an X-shot and one is full doc?
Yes.
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Post Post #1471 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:19 pm

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In post 1468, DeltaWave wrote: I'm going to re-read Lap. Obviously, there can't be two doctors in this game. It has to be one or the other today.

Enchant did make a good point with going elsewhere to keep Naerys alive, but if I were scum here, I don't shoot at Naerys anyways, and I am for the other potential PR since it's a 25%+ chance to hit them randomly, without taking in their reads.

If we want to be real, Enchant's not the PR based on their playstyle. This means it's a 33%+ chance.

The last town PR is clearly in Delta or Lucca, and they're actually the most likely to die tonight.
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Post Post #1472 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:21 pm

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In post 1471, Comical wrote: The last town PR is clearly in Delta or Lucca, and they're actually the most likely to die tonight.
It could be PoP, i guess, which is why they triggered on me earlier. That actually makes a lot of sense.

But yeah, scum me has no reason to play this way, and then I just shoot in there PR hunting to make town lose info.

What good does pushing a mass claim do over that? I know most of them to be Vanilla.

Mass claim specifically only makes it so if I were Scum, I absolutely CANT kill the PR to claim.
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Post Post #1473 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:22 pm

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In post 1464, Laplacian wrote: Trying to convince people to mass claim so they can yeet the potential other investigative role.
This is a scum slip.

If another PR claimed, how could I kill them if you were really a town Doc?
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Post Post #1474 (ISO) » Wed Jan 17, 2024 3:23 pm

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FUCKING GOTTEM

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