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Votecount 3-VIII

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to hammer, or 4 to decide for no execution.

Enchant (2):

Duelist Kage, Gypyx

Duelist Kage (1):

JacksonVirgo

Not Voting (5):

davesaz, Elements, Enchant, Thomith, Hu Tao

notes

• The deadline is due in (expired on 2024-01-23 05:00:23).
  
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[JacksonVirgo]

I finally overtook Black's post count, holy shit how much did they post

[Hu Tao]

So we need to find people who didn't action n1. I get it now.

I still don't subscribe to the one wolf mentality but if it's true it would make elements, myself, gypyx and kage all confirmed non-town based on N1 actions and then there's dave cleared by the vig stuff leaving only Thom/Enchant/Hu Tao and it isn't you idt

If there was no kill day 1 and Dave was jailed day 1 doesn't that mean he could have been making the night kill or no

[Hu Tao]

I think Dave should be jailed again by elements tonight

[JacksonVirgo]

If there was no kill day 1 and Dave was jailed day 1 doesn't that mean he could have been making the night kill or no

Sure, but again if he were wolf he wouldn't have claimed having the vig which is almost immediately confirmable + if it's not true just dooms him

[Hu Tao]

Did he ever say what kind of vig it was?

[JacksonVirgo]

Did he ever say what kind of vig it was?

Not explicitly but I feel it's obvious

[Hu Tao]

Which do you think

[JacksonVirgo]

Which do you think

"Town really needs me to town-read them" paraphrased, it's the vig/hider almost certainly

[Hu Tao]

Hmm. I think it's best to jail them then no?

[JacksonVirgo]

Probably

[JacksonVirgo]

I kinda overlooked that interaction

[JacksonVirgo]

If dave gets blocked and we're wrong on whatever elim we choose today, we're gonna end up eliminating the person dave would shoot anyway which is yet another "locked elim" which hurts the thread health. I can see the benefit in both blocking dave, and also blocking someone else to avoid them giving more killing inventions out or doing the maul if Thom's theory is wrong. Which gives us the most benefits? I'm not sure, I'll have to think about that more

[Hu Tao]

Did elements full claim?

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't think so

[Hu Tao]

Elements please claim. Can you do more jail keeps?

[JacksonVirgo]

If I humour not playing conservatively, (and p-edit, if elements can even act) I mean we can funnel actions to sort the entire 4+ player PoE in one cycle. An example world that I'm just coming up with off the top of my head is to:
1. Lim Enchant
2. Dave kills Kage
3. Elements blocks Thom
4. Gypyx / JV gives each other an invention.
5. Hu Tao vibes (or uses the invention I gave)

With this
- Enchant gets sorted
- Kage gets sorted
- Thom gets sorted
- Gypyx / JV solve whether it's a 2 or 3p wolf team.
- If it's a 3p wolf team and we flip a wolf today, Hu Tao gets sorted through Thom's inversion. Otherwise the same as below
- If it's a 2p wolf team, the unsorted resides in { Hu Tao, JV, Gypyx } in which we can resolve manually.

[Hu Tao]

If I humour not playing conservatively, (and p-edit, if elements can even act) I mean we can funnel actions to sort the entire 4+ player PoE in one cycle. An example world that I'm just coming up with off the top of my head is to:
1. Lim Enchant
2. Dave kills Kage
3. Elements blocks Thom
4. Gypyx / JV gives each other an invention.
5. Hu Tao vibes (or uses the invention I gave)

With this
- Enchant gets sorted
- Kage gets sorted
- Thom gets sorted
- Gypyx / JV solve whether it's a 2 or 3p wolf team.
- If it's a 3p wolf team and we flip a wolf today, Hu Tao gets sorted through Thom's inversion. Otherwise the same as below
- If it's a 2p wolf team, the unsorted resides in { Hu Tao, JV, Gypyx } in which we can resolve manually.

I'm fine with this

[JacksonVirgo]

If we're unlucky and all kills flip green, we'd be in a 2v3 or a 1v4 which are not horrid odds at all.

[Elements]

Elements please claim. Can you do more jail keeps?

2-shot simple compulsive combined jailkeep vanilla cop

dave N1, you N2

[Duelist Kage]

Jackson, you're not even absorbing the argument on why it was a 2-person wolf team. You didn't bother even including the world that I believe we're in as a

possibility

. You're jumping to weird conclusions like "maybe Maul is actually not ever usable because scum are compulsively doing other things" rather than accept the much more viable position that the n1 kill was simply blocked and n2 the remaining wolf was forced to vend the vig to dave rather than outright kill. It makes even

more

sense now that we know dave was the JK target for n1, so he was almost certainly protected there and so they tried again with the n2 vig invention.

[Elements]

Jackson, you're not even absorbing the argument on why it was a 2-person wolf team. You didn't bother even including the world that I believe we're in as a

possibility

. You're jumping to weird conclusions like "maybe Maul is actually not ever usable because scum are compulsively doing other things" rather than accept the much more viable position that the

n1 kill was simply blocked and n2 the remaining wolf was forced to vend the vig to dave rather than outright kill

. It makes even

more

sense now that we know dave was the JK target for n1, so he was almost certainly protected there and so they tried again with the n2 vig invention.

This has just made the 2 player red team make so much more sense to me

[JacksonVirgo]

N1 dave kill makes very little sense, like incredibly little sense.
Dave doing the killing and getting blocked makes even less sense.
Scum sacrificing a night kill to give them undue risk with a vig vend makes no sense to me

[Elements]

this game kinda feels a bit like Cook's kitchen sink
not role wise but activity wise
it's kinda slow, but it feels more "town have a good grasp of what's going on" slow and not a "wolves are happy with the status quo" slow

[Gypyx]

If I humour not playing conservatively, (and p-edit, if elements can even act) I mean we can funnel actions to sort the entire 4+ player PoE in one cycle. An example world that I'm just coming up with off the top of my head is to:
1. Lim Enchant
2. Dave kills Kage
3. Elements blocks Thom
4. Gypyx / JV gives each other an invention.
5. Hu Tao vibes (or uses the invention I gave)

With this
- Enchant gets sorted
- Kage gets sorted
- Thom gets sorted
- Gypyx / JV solve whether it's a 2 or 3p wolf team.
- If it's a 3p wolf team and we flip a wolf today, Hu Tao gets sorted through Thom's inversion. Otherwise the same as below
- If it's a 2p wolf team, the unsorted resides in { Hu Tao, JV, Gypyx } in which we can resolve manually.

coolio