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[Luca Blight]

I don't believe this is a natural Townie interaction:

thats another thing too it kinda feels like ketchup knows that dann flips town

hmmmmm

i can see it

I don't think Dann would be swayed from his confident Ketchup TR by OutWorld's reasoning, based on Ketchup's 323, which is in keeping with Ketchup's tone in general this game. It's a convenient way to walk back his read, which might later become inconvenient with too few mislim candidates.

[Dannflor]

i am not that bad at this game

[Luca Blight]

i am not that bad at this game

That's my point - As Town I don't think you'd be swayed by such poor reasoning. If anything, Ketchup's 323 is +town.

[OutWorldER]

i return

Gypyx's interactions with Dann give me the vibe she doesn't actually believe in her Dann vote which concerns me

[OutWorldER]

Luca, do you feel your Dann wagon is all town rn? Or I guess more specifically what makes you convinced scum is scrambling to save him rather than bussing him?

[Luca Blight]

Luca, do you feel your Dann wagon is all town rn? Or I guess more specifically what makes you convinced scum is scrambling to save him rather than bussing him?

I've given my reads already on the other page.

I feel as though you're trying to save Dann, after having done your distancing work against Bugs earlier in the day. The other scum, probably Delta or iavh, is staying neutral/in the background. Of course it's possible someone like Drew could be bussing, but that analysis can wait for later. Right now I feel inclined to say that he wouldn't have been goading me onto the Dann wagon and trying to back me into a corner regarding it if they were partners, but I could be wrong about that. Gypyx could be bussing also, but her interaction with Dann felt genuine from her end.

[OutWorldER]

i don't really like to spend time doing this, but 145 is frankly all junk

you assert that bugs made more than one perspective slip. "perspective slips" and "scum pt slips" aren't a real thing. at best they're extremely rare. but the idea that bugs did it repeatedly over like a 5 post timeframe is ridiculous. how many times have you ever perspective slipped in a game as scum? on a similar vein, you repeatedly note that bugs fails to follow the context of what's being written, but only imply that this is scummy without ever engaging w the question of why someone being really bad at reading could say anything about whether they got a town or scum role pm. it doesn't. this set of accusations effectively requires that bugspray be, er, not very good at thinking, but never even considers the possibility that this observation about bugs' abilities could explain in a nai way pretty much every feature of bugs's play, even their first post.

also, you repeatedly cast survivalism -- trying not to get limmed -- as scummy. but town are at least as motivated as scum to not get limmed, both theoretically and empirically. stuff like deflecting attention, appealling to emotions, and so on are totally common responses by any type of player to scrutiny and again you don't attempt to think through how these things you don't like about bugs's posts actually suggest a scum win condition.

there's not enough weighing of alternative explanations here. you're taking things you don't like about bugs' play and handwaving the steps that explain why this play is more likely to come from scum than town.

i think I disagree with the big paragraph of this post about perspective slips and etc. but otherwise I just think it's a town post. "there's not enough weighing of alternative explanations" is a very town mindset phrase imo.

[Luca Blight]

I just wanted to add one more thing before I go out - the fact that you (OutWorld) switched so quickly from heavily suspecting Bugs to giving Dann the benefit of the doubt, and then jumping on a tenuous reason to vote Ketchup instead, is mightily suspicious.

I feel as though you would have remained on the Bugs wagon had they not replaced out, while hoping people would compromise on Ketchup instead, but in Dann you saw an opportunity to turn the tide on this, given his reputation for being a competent scum player. I feel like you got a little too excited upon his replace-in and gave yourself away, OutWorld.

[OutWorldER]

I just wanted to add one more thing before I go out - the fact that you (OutWorld) switched so quickly from heavily suspecting Bugs to giving Dann the benefit of the doubt, and then jumping on a tenuous reason to vote Ketchup instead, is mightily suspicious.

I feel as though you would have remained on the Bugs wagon had they not replaced out, while hoping people would compromise on Ketchup instead, but in Dann you saw an opportunity to turn the tide on this, given his reputation for being a competent scum player. I feel like you got a little too excited upon his replace-in and gave yourself away, OutWorld.

"Sudden flip"? I've been suspicious of ketchup pretty much since the game started, and started pushing him when new evidence suggested that the other scumread I was pushing (bugs/Dann) could've been wrong.

I mean, yes, you're correct in that I wasn't really committed to the Bugs wagon; It was the first vote I made this game off of some slightly-better-than-rvs reasoning. You're also correct in that for the most part I've wanted to switch my vote to ketchup for a while now; I didn't previously because I still had the feeling that Bugs/Dann could flip scum and didn't want to dilute the votes by pushing a vanity wagon. I now feel that Dann's less likely to flip scum and so I switched to ketchup.

we've had this literal same conversation before already

[Luca Blight]

It's called reframing. One way of explaining something may not be understood or resonate the same as another.

[OutWorldER]

what did you intend for me to understand that I apparently didn't get the first time around?

[Luca Blight]

what did you intend for me to understand that I apparently didn't get the first time around?

Well, you asked me why I thought scum were scrambling to save Damn so I explained my thought process further, as clearly you still wanted more information about that. But overall it was more for the benefit of those I need to convince.

[Psyche]

woah a surprising number of weekday only players

[Doctor Drew]

woah a surprising number of weekday only players

Honestly thought I would be passed out drunk by now, but had some coffee before the booze and now here we are(weekends are always a bit tough for me in general though)

[Hu Tao]

Luca is my biggest townread, followed by ketchup I think.

[Doctor Drew]

Luca is my biggest townread, followed by ketchup I think.

Luca ya, but what why catsup?

[iamveryhappy]

for being based?

[Thomith]

Votecount 1.11

Votecount 1.11

Dannflor (4):

Hu Tao, Jacob24, Doctor Drew, Gypyx

ketchup777 (2):

DeltaWave, OutWorldER

ProjEctRy (1):

Black

Hu Tao (1):

iamveryhappy

Doctor Drew (1):

Dannflor

Not Voting (4):

Luca Blight, ProjEctRy, Psyche, ketchup777

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to secure an execution.

Day One ends in (expired on 2024-02-03 02:13:32)

Mod Notes

Black is V/La until Monday.
Doctor Drew is V/La until Monday.

[Hu Tao]

Luca is my biggest townread, followed by ketchup I think.

Luca ya, but what why catsup?

Seems naturally town

[Hu Tao]

for being based?

Who do you sr?

[Black]

I'm kinda disappointed the Project wagon broke down and I'm not really sure why it happened

I'll try to read up later tonight but it'll probably be tomorrow

[Black]

Dann can you tl;dr your Drew scumread

[Gypyx]

happy cake day black !

and well, i guess i agree project is more on the scummy side of things, but he's also not here so it's hard to feel enthusiasm for voting him

[ProjEctRy]

I'm kinda disappointed the Project wagon broke down and I'm not really sure why it happened

I'll try to read up later tonight but it'll probably be tomorrow

@Black - why are you leaning scum on me?

[Gypyx]

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