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Since 12 minutes ago.

[Roden]

dunnstral why is superfluous' assertion about lurkers like the most interesting thing to you about this game so far

i don't think you're scum for lurking but i don't understand why you are picking at the things you are picking at

Well there's a lot of things that I don't feel like commenting on. Their assertions feel wrong so I felt like commenting on it.

How is it that you have so many posts on this forum and so few in this game?

I average less posts per day than you do.

This is an actually super defensive post but I doubt anyone's actually said so lol

[Vivax]

If we voted Luca now, would you vote with us or not?

VOTE: LucaBlight

If so, just because he criticized the quoted post?

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VOTE: Luca

[Roden]

Since 12 minutes ago.

I will start then.
Grack.

There are things that bother me a lot in his game. First of all it's quite hard to do catch up like that with keeping your story straight. Especially as mafia.
There is the post where Luca claims he thinks the interaction with Oats and Roden is S/S. Grack agrees with that, because it looks bizarre.
But after all the opinion actually is that Oats is town and Roden is not.
Then he suspects me and you (Vivax).

Then there is like sudden change in everything. Suddenly Roden doesn't look like mafia anymore. Suddenly Vivax doesn't look like mafia anymore. Suddenly Luca looks like mafia.
Notice that I am the only person ever in this game before Vivax just while ago to suspect Luca at any level. He doesn't have anything to say about his read on me.

Also he doesn't have anything to say about my post here:

Spoiler:

This is IML. As soon as a majority is reached, the lunch is served. Drumming for quick votes is more mafia indicative than town indicative. We don‘t have enough information.

Consider this a FoS on Dannflor.

I'm actually thinking now, contrary to before, that this might be a mafia post. I mean the theory behind this is legit, but we are playing on a site where RVS is pretty common and Vivax knows it for sure. There is simply no reason to say this, especially FoS anyone for a RV.

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In this instance

I can see Outoforder having that certain abrasiveness and pushing notions I mostly can't find myself agreeing with

so he's the person who takes the heat while his team tries to appear reasonable. Main point that makes me vote him is how he approached gob which wasn't even a real read, he just said mafia wouldn't use such terrible reasoning.
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This is simply what happens in every single game when i am town. Yet Vivax somehow deduces this as a scum tell for me. Note that he doesn't even think gob is mafia.

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We differ a lot in how we approach gob. You tend to just take people playing in a scummy manner at face value while to me he looks just like a player who has fun being contrarian and has zero fear of dying

while annoying the hell out of people who take the game extremely seriously. In that way, I prefer to just treat him as a little thorn in the side who draws too much attention for the game's good (no offense though, I find it amusing).
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I specifically find it suspicious from Oats though that he treated gob in that exceedingly serious manner while I did in a different one as described above

. I mean sure, he doesn't make sense but if he's town that's a main priority for scum to push. I don't know his alignment but I could see him being town shark bait. He's not even triyng to be scummy on purpose, he's just... Derp?

Made the post a clickable spoiler since i assume that was the intent

First underline, that's

exactly how i did and have treated gob

, i am scummy.
Second underline, Oats did the opposite, he is scummy.
What is scummy? Is every singe way you treat gob scummy or what?
There is simply no reason to assume Oats has done anything out of his town range anyways. Vivax should also know that.

Oats mostly from his abrasiveness and the whole stuff I already explained surrounding the way he handled gob who I saw as lunch bait at the time.
You because of the interaction with Ninja that I explained. Would have expected more pushback from you or let's call it OMGUS if you will.
OOO similarly to Oats because of his initial bad vibe I got.

Vivax just described how DP would act as mafia and turned the whole thing around so that

that

would look town and

this doesn't

.
Similarly Vivax just described exactly how me and Oats appear as town, rather than as mafia. Sure,

both of us could probably act like that as mafia

but there is simply no reaso nto believe either of us is mafia

because

of that.

As knowing me, Vivax, Oats and DP, regardless of if Grack thinks i am correct, incorrect or whatever here, this should be imo the most interesting post in the game to him, especially since he apparently suspects me. Alarm bells are ringing as he just comments absolutely nothing about it.

I think he's town though. I liked how he picked out posts to discern my alignment, I think it was genuine understanding.
Everyone at some point has content that doesn't seem to add up. A D1 townie is more prone to changing opinion often.

I think I'd have preferred if we did Roden. I took a bit of a leap of faith in TRing him initially, but I still believe Oats is kinda scummy and I'm wondering if I didn't side between them in what was a SVS interaction.

From the timing SVS would make sense because if mafia doesn't post early they're going to be more self conscious when entering the thread later. It's like they built up a debt they have to repay so they may resort to more oomph.

Having caught up, I'm starting to town-lean Vivax again based on his recent posts. I just think if he's scum then he's making life unnecessarily difficult for himself.

I have a soft town-lean on Gob, which perhaps I will elaborate on earlier.

Dann and ninja are still clearly town
Outoforder is most probably town too
I think Oats and Darth punk are town, but am less confident
Then comes Gob and Dunn, who are soft Town-leans. Maybe Grackaroni too, but I need to see more.

The only clear scumread I have right now is Roden. The other slots haven't left much of an impression on me yet.

In this post again I find it odd that Oats is someone Luca isn't that confident about. If Oats and Roden fought it out so early and Roden is his confident scumread, I believe he should be more opinionated on Oats as well and offer some kind of interpretation to the arguments between them.

I'm mainly just fucking with Oats for being unnecessarily unhelpful and rude

I do genuinely think he's scum for his faux outrage though, and his attempts to discredit me aren't helping

This is not very townie.

Then vote Oats

I'd rather vote you, as I don't believe the way you're portraying your view of the game to be real. It's feels as if you're overcompensating.

Ok, found the second scum

Over the top omgus?
Maybe it's as simple as Roden, Luca, Oats with everyone in bus mode.

This is not a shocking reconsideration tbh, half the player list keeps trying to bully Vivax into scum reading me. This doesn't really erase being correct on me for 99% of the day after eventually being worn down.

[Roden]

Ngl it's really feeling like people don't actually scum read me and are just mad I attacked their off site buddy, and then got so loud about it for 40+ pages that other people just eventually followed suit

[Dannflor]

roden i feel like you are just arguing with ninja for the sake of arguing

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If there is anything Vivax' play

isn't

, it's people bullying him into a read. Just sayin

[Roden]

I'm barely interacting with Ninja

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Or like letting people bully him into a read.

Who is bullying Vivax into scumreading you and how?

[Roden]

If there is anything Vivax' play

isn't

, it's people bullying him into a read. Just sayin

I mean. That literally happened. He believed in that vote since little he changed it within 20 minutes.

[Roden]

If there is anything Vivax' play

isn't

, it's people bullying him into a read. Just sayin

I mean. That literally happened. He believed in that vote so little he changed it within 20 minutes.

[Dannflor]

okay well like maybe that's the point

you're hung up on this gaslighting point when i feel like looking at ninja as a whole I find it pretty hard to scum read her

it just kinda feels like this is a safe place for you to push

idk maybe I'm conf-biasing because you're eternally behind but it seems like your view on the game is super narrow

[Roden]

Or like letting people bully him into a read.

Who is bullying Vivax into scumreading you and how?

Is this an actually serious question or are you not paying attention to the people who've been screaming my name for 40+ pages

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Why did you scumread me Roden?

[Roden]

okay well like maybe that's the point

you're hung up on this gaslighting point when i feel like looking at ninja as a whole I find it pretty hard to scum read her

it just kinda feels like this is a safe place for you to push

idk maybe I'm conf-biasing because you're eternally behind but it seems like your view on the game is super narrow

Did you not scum read her...?

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Or like letting people bully him into a read.

Who is bullying Vivax into scumreading you and how?

Is this an actually serious question or are you not paying attention to the people who've been screaming my name for 40+ pages

Scumreading you != bullying Vivax into scumreading you.
This game is not all about what Vivax does.

[Roden]

Why did you scumread me Roden?

My case on Order is void at atp, I didn't like their early interactions with Luca and Vivax but 451 turned my opinion around. I vibe with the mentality "I only post what I feel I need to" and tonally I feel that their posting has gotten a lot better.

[Roden]

Or like letting people bully him into a read.

Who is bullying Vivax into scumreading you and how?

Is this an actually serious question or are you not paying attention to the people who've been screaming my name for 40+ pages

Scumreading you != bullying Vivax into scumreading you.
This game is not all about what Vivax does.

I didn't say or even imply it was

What are you even arguing here

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What in my interactions were scummy?

[Roden]

There have been multiple points where Vivax took heat for town reading me and going against the grain

That was literally the basis of the scum case against him earlier

[Vivax]

I‘ve been devil‘s advocate for you, don‘t you think ?

That earned me a lot of criticism, but in the long run it also told me that nobody would have done the same for you. Just cost me the extra effort, but I wasn‘t pretending, I actually believed it. To find the devil means to play his game first.

Except maybe Naerys, she might have done something for you, who resorted to calling Oats mafia without having a firm stance on you. A chainsaw vote.

Let‘s try Luca/Naerys/Roden ? See if anything changes ?

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That earned me a lot of criticism, but in the long run it also told me that nobody would have done the same for you. Just cost me the extra effort, but I wasn‘t pretending, I actually believed it. To find the devil means to play his game first.

Did someone do this? Did they also scumread me because i also thought Roden was town and i have definitely not accused you of that read.

[Gypyx]

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[Gypyx]

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