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[Vivax]

But Vivax you have to realise Oats is town, and vice versa...
We're not gonna beat the dude who is mafia between Grack / DP, or even both otherwise.

Theyre both too reasonable to be lynched if were not here to see through it.

I have a history of scumreading Oats on the regular. He's a marv disciple so no surprise there, he attempts to bully into submission and sometimes they even sound similar in wording.

Some ego death would be required. But if you think you're so good at reading him I'm willing to put aside my own approach on how to handle him.

For information purposes I'd be fine with a vote buildup on Dunn/Naerys/Luca. Which is what we're doing, but we also need cooperation.

[outoforder]

Can you tell me with confidence you dont think there is no mafia in Grack and DP? (not that i am wanting to lynch them D1)

[outoforder]

*you think there is no mafia..

[Naerys]

VOTE: oatsmaster
oh and this is scum btw

Future me, does Naerys ever actually do anything?

I have better games and i have worse games, nobody is perfect so chill

[Dannflor]

i wanna kill DP

[DarthPunk]

I'm around now catching up, I am reading from page 32 so around 18 pages.

I'm going to stick my thoughts in a big catch-up post, but I will spoiler it so you don't have to read the huge wall.

But Ill also be around to interact in the current game, but I don't have a grasp of the game beyond page 32 right now.

[DarthPunk]

i wanna kill DP

That's interesting cause the last post I read you thought I was town again. Now I am scum without having posted anything new?

[Hu Tao]

I‘ve been devil‘s advocate for you, don‘t you think ?

That earned me a lot of criticism, but in the long run it also told me that nobody would have done the same for you. Just cost me the extra effort, but I wasn‘t pretending, I actually believed it. To find the devil means to play his game first.

Except maybe Naerys, she might have done something for you, who resorted to calling Oats mafia without having a firm stance on you. A chainsaw vote.

Let‘s try Luca/Naerys/Roden ? See if anything changes ?

I'm okay with voting Luca or maybe naerys. I think I'm leaning no on roden right now

[Roden]

Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems you think that people should be suspicious of you based off how you've posted so far. Luca's reaction to your posts spews them as town. Dannfloor first viewing your posts as townie is also viewed with suspicion.

I don't view Roden as suspiciously as I did before. He seems very chaotic, but I can at least see a basis for the posts he made now, and I'm more inclined to believe that he was trolling than that he was trying to back-track on his read on Luca or that his post about scum reading oats while fucking with him was a contradiction.

I don't think should be suspicious of me, no, but I understand why certain players are. Luca felt like spewed town to me because they would have known my intentions if they were scum, but they seemed genuinely confused by my posts. And I don't think Dann town reading me was suspicious, I initially just thought that him hard defending me was potentially an attempt at pocketing me.

[Dannflor]

i wanna kill DP

That's interesting cause the last post I read you thought I was town again. Now I am scum without having posted anything new?

ya i changed my mind

[Naerys]

I'm okay with voting Luca or maybe naerys.

kk Hu is probably town here

[Naerys]

also i love sleeping so bye

[DarthPunk]

What has changed between This post

VOTE: vivax don't really think it is darthpunk anymore

why not?

mainly because several people who appear to be very familiar with Darth Punk's game disagreed with my read on that slot. and I can see where DP's distaste for my cases come from. There's a sort of "I know I'm right and you're stupid" tone in his reaction to my push on him that I lean towny. I think scum probably would've been attracted to piece-by-piece dismantling my case instead of outright dismissing it

and this post:

i wanna kill DP

When I really haven't been around.

[Dannflor]

my mind

[DarthPunk]

i wanna kill DP

That's interesting cause the last post I read you thought I was town again. Now I am scum without having posted anything new?

ya i changed my mind

Why? I didn't post anything. Are your reads just arbitrary?

[DarthPunk]

my mind

Based on what?

[Dannflor]

i reread your posts and came to a different conclusion

[DarthPunk]

VOTE: Dannflor

[outoforder]

It's a legitmate question Dann. And that is not a legitmate answer, at least it doesn't give anyone anything.
You know how expressing your reads work, right?

[DarthPunk]

i reread your posts and came to a different conclusion

Tell me about it.

Cause it seems like you just flip flop hard based on the same evidence and I don't understand your read progression at all.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: oatsmaster
oh and this is scum btw

Future me, does Naerys ever actually do anything?

No. You kinda just gotta read between the lines to see if her reads make sense. That's how I taught her last game

[Vivax]

Can you tell me with confidence you dont think there is no mafia in Grack and DP? (not that i am wanting to lynch them D1)

I am reasonably confident Grack is town. As mafia it‘d have been more convenient for him to add to the pool of players suspecting me.

He went for an approach that made him harder for hin to vote me if the opportunity arised.
My own alignment is my most trustworthy piece of information, and I just felt that he gets me.

DP is another matter. Having me D1d several games in a row would at best make him heartless as town and at worst mafia, so standing up for me was NAI.

I already know he’s not heartless from his EoD on TL’s last game when he last-minute-discerned my alignment correctly. But he will yeet you if you don’t meet effort expectations.

For me he’s not a D1 lim anyway because I know he can just solve it later if he’s town.

All of this to say that I’m not going to vote him on D1 no matter what. Strong players are self-resolving no matter their alignment,

[Roden]

Having caught up, I'm starting to town-lean Vivax again based on his recent posts. I just think if he's scum then he's making life unnecessarily difficult for himself.

I have a soft town-lean on Gob, which perhaps I will elaborate on earlier.

Dann and ninja are still clearly town
Outoforder is most probably town too
I think Oats and Darth punk are town, but am less confident
Then comes Gob and Dunn, who are soft Town-leans. Maybe Grackaroni too, but I need to see more.

The only clear scumread I have right now is Roden. The other slots haven't left much of an impression on me yet.

What would be your perspective on the game if you found out you were wrong on me?

[Dannflor]

It's a legitmate question Dann. And that is not a legitmate answer, at least it doesn't give anyone anything.
You know how expressing your reads work, right?

I know, I will explain

I was responding in that way to DP because it seemed like he was trying to "gotcha" me by saying it is ludicrous for me to change my read even though he hasn't been around

It's kinda emblematic of my read on DP overall tbh

he seems more focused on "getting people" then like actually sorting

I feel the same way when I look back at how he called my way way early game vote on Out of Order "Terrible." and jumped on me

[Dannflor]

i wanna kill DP

That's interesting cause the last post I read you thought I was town again. Now I am scum without having posted anything new?

ya i changed my mind

Why? I didn't post anything. Are your reads just arbitrary?

like the "Are your reads just arbitrary" assumes a level of malice and shows that he's going into the discussion with an intent to try and make me look bad

or at least that's how it comes off to me

it wasn't just "hey why did your read change"

it was "why did your read change and also DISCREDIT"