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[Vivax]

Don't frame this lim as if it's personal. I don't think anyone wants to lim Luca because they dislike him, but because they think he's mafia.

He can be a great guy and all but I am just not convinced that he prefers to solve over positioning himself favourably according to thread sentiment.

He could be pushing Roden or DP right now but he is visibly more bothered by having his alignment questioned and that's where his attention prefers to be.

I don't know what it is with you and rabbit holes. Let the poor animals sleep.
What do you want me to tell you?

[Luca Blight]

I appreciate your comments, Ninja.

I'm not above bussing as scum, but as I explained earlier I certainly wouldn't have acted in this manner as scum in general, and especially if my partners were Roden and/or Dann.

[Oatsmaster]

You're kicking someone out of the game for your own benefit. Because you know the chips are gonna fall in your favor, right? I mean in this scenario, the person really is guilty, so you're probably going to get what you want here.

Scum wincon is to win the game by yeeting/nk enough town. It isn’t to be nice to their teammate or help them survive to the end. I see nothing wrong with someone doing something they think will give them a higher chance to win. When scum win, all the scum win no matter if they are alive or not

[Luca Blight]

Don't frame this lim as if it's personal. I don't think anyone wants to lim Luca because they dislike him, but because they think he's mafia.

He can be a great guy and all but I am just not convinced that he prefers to solve over positioning himself favourably according to thread sentiment.

He could be pushing Roden or DP right now but he is visibly more bothered by having his alignment questioned and that's where his attention prefers to be.

How am I more bothered about having my alignment questioned?

And how can I push Roden, who is absent? I would argue I have pushed Darth a fair bit, which would have been pretty counter-productive if I were actually scum and him town. Remember, Darth didn't scumread me before I got involved and countered his points against Dann, and based on Dann's very case it was obvious Darth would scumread me based on this intervention. Please consider that for a moment.

[Vivax]

Don't frame this lim as if it's personal. I don't think anyone wants to lim Luca because they dislike him, but because they think he's mafia.

He can be a great guy and all but I am just not convinced that he prefers to solve over positioning himself favourably according to thread sentiment.

He could be pushing Roden or DP right now but he is visibly more bothered by having his alignment questioned and that's where his attention prefers to be.

How am I more bothered about having my alignment questioned?

And how can I push Roden, who is absent? I would argue I have pushed Darth a fair bit, which would have been pretty counter-productive if I were actually scum and him town. Remember, Darth didn't scumread me before I got involved and countered his points against Dann, and based on Dann's very case it was obvious Darth would scumread me based on this intervention. Please consider that for a moment.

If it‘s you, Dann and Roden on the table, what makes them better eliminations ?

I‘m not asking for a huge effort just for your immediate thoughts on the matter.

Why should we lim them over you in as few words as possible.

[Luca Blight]

Don't frame this lim as if it's personal. I don't think anyone wants to lim Luca because they dislike him, but because they think he's mafia.

He can be a great guy and all but I am just not convinced that he prefers to solve over positioning himself favourably according to thread sentiment.

He could be pushing Roden or DP right now but he is visibly more bothered by having his alignment questioned and that's where his attention prefers to be.

How am I more bothered about having my alignment questioned?

And how can I push Roden, who is absent? I would argue I have pushed Darth a fair bit, which would have been pretty counter-productive if I were actually scum and him town. Remember, Darth didn't scumread me before I got involved and countered his points against Dann, and based on Dann's very case it was obvious Darth would scumread me based on this intervention. Please consider that for a moment.

If it‘s you, Dann and Roden on the table, what makes them better eliminations ?

I‘m not asking for a huge effort just for your immediate thoughts on the matter.

Why should we lim them over you in as few words as possible.

I don't agree with your elimination candidates, sorry. I'm willing to vote only in: Roden, Hu Tao, Naerys, Darth. I've already explained why you shouldn't eliminate me or Dann, so you can take it or leave it.

Now the dust has settled, Roden is still my more confident scumread, if this kind of play is actually typical of Town!Darth as oats claims, so my vote will remain there for now.

[SuperfluousNinja]

Guys, please. I don't need you to explain to me how bussing works. You don't need to explain the strategy behind it or why a person might do it.

If you're going to talk to me about it more, talk about why it doesn't stick out to you that Luca did it THIS early, THIS proactively.

[SuperfluousNinja]

I appreciate your comments, Ninja.

I'm not above bussing as scum, but as I explained earlier I certainly wouldn't have acted in this manner as scum in general, and especially if my partners were Roden and/or Dann.

Could you by chance re-quote where you said this about why you wouldn't bus Roden or Dann in particular? That will probably really clear my head on this. (also maybe everyone else here really needs to see it)

[SuperfluousNinja]

Don't frame this lim as if it's personal. I don't think anyone wants to lim Luca because they dislike him, but because they think he's mafia.

Vivax, where the hell did I say that people are voting Luca because they don't like him on a personal level? Where on earth did I say this?

[Luca Blight]

Spoiler: Why I wouldn't bus Roden or defend Dann like this as scum

It's mad to think I would play like this as scum if they were my partners, in my opinion.

What would you play like if they were your partners

Well, for one, I wouldn't provoke Darth Punk into his inevitable 'Dann/Luca' conclusion with 1580. I wouldn't defend Dann as much as I'm doing, as I'd be overly aware of it and I wouldn't find it necessary, as I think Dann can take care of himself without my protection, In fact, I'd probably be more likely to side with Darth Punk in this conflict, betting on there being a more likely compromise elimination at the end of the day. Especially as Darth punk previously townread me.

I don't think I would create a situation where Roden, my partner, is my only scumread, either. Or if I did, I would have bussed a lot harder.

Can you read my case and explain why I am wrong then if you Think dann is obv town. Luca?

Yes, I will do a bit later.

And in reality Dann would have created his own problems by pursuing Darth Punk in such a way, if Dann is scum and Darth Punk town.

You are looking at the game in such a simplistic manner, oats.

You haven’t really defended dann though and you couldn’t have done anything about roden

People keep suggesting I've been 'soft-defending' Dann, and now apparently I haven't been defending him?

In my opinion, stating that you clearly townread someone who is being cased as scum and voted by multiple players is a form of defence.

Regarding Roden, I'm not sure what you mean? the reason he was suspected in the first place stemmed from my initial interactions with him. I could have either used his 'joke' to twist that as him being more likely town, which is I think what Vivax townread him for, although i could be wrong, or I would have hard-bussed. In such a game as this, I would have definitely used something like that to give myself a chance to seem productive and proactive, rather than sitting idly on the vote while Roden catches up. I just can't imagine townreading Dann as I have either if we were scum - I would have used Dann as a way to have easy interactions in the thread to make it look as though I was sorting him.

A bit like you and Outoforder, for example - you are bouncing ideas off each other and both seem really town (and I think you are), but it wouldn't shock me if you two were capable of that as scum, and you'd have the motivation and energy for it as you clearly enjoy playing with each other.

[Oatsmaster]

Guys, please. I don't need you to explain to me how bussing works. You don't need to explain the strategy behind it or why a person might do it.

If you're going to talk to me about it more, talk about why it doesn't stick out to you that Luca did it THIS early, THIS proactively.

Roden was dead in the water once he couldn’t post.
Ez cred

[Luca Blight]

Guys, please. I don't need you to explain to me how bussing works. You don't need to explain the strategy behind it or why a person might do it.

If you're going to talk to me about it more, talk about why it doesn't stick out to you that Luca did it THIS early, THIS proactively.

Roden was dead in the water once he couldn’t post.
Ez cred

Can you clarify what you mean by '

once he couldn't post

'?

[SuperfluousNinja]

Guys, please. I don't need you to explain to me how bussing works. You don't need to explain the strategy behind it or why a person might do it.

If you're going to talk to me about it more, talk about why it doesn't stick out to you that Luca did it THIS early, THIS proactively.

Roden was dead in the water once he couldn’t post.
Ez cred

You're referring to Roden's real life injury, right? I'm pretty sure Luca's vote was well before that happened, was it not?

[gob]

its luca bligh

[gob]

im nothing im wrong im stupid

[Luca Blight]

Also Oats, do you still believe in your Roden/Dann/Luca theory, or have you been swayed at all by what I've said?

[Oatsmaster]

Guys, please. I don't need you to explain to me how bussing works. You don't need to explain the strategy behind it or why a person might do it.

If you're going to talk to me about it more, talk about why it doesn't stick out to you that Luca did it THIS early, THIS proactively.

Roden was dead in the water once he couldn’t post.
Ez cred

Can you clarify what you mean by '

once he couldn't post

'?

His medical issue?

[Luca Blight]

Guys, please. I don't need you to explain to me how bussing works. You don't need to explain the strategy behind it or why a person might do it.

If you're going to talk to me about it more, talk about why it doesn't stick out to you that Luca did it THIS early, THIS proactively.

Roden was dead in the water once he couldn’t post.
Ez cred

You're referring to Roden's real life injury, right? I'm pretty sure Luca's vote was well before that happened, was it not?

And in that case, why would he be

'dead in the water

' any more than someone like Naerys, for example?

Having a real life injury is a valid reason for less activity anyway.

[Oatsmaster]

Guys, please. I don't need you to explain to me how bussing works. You don't need to explain the strategy behind it or why a person might do it.

If you're going to talk to me about it more, talk about why it doesn't stick out to you that Luca did it THIS early, THIS proactively.

Roden was dead in the water once he couldn’t post.
Ez cred

You're referring to Roden's real life injury, right? I'm pretty sure Luca's vote was well before that happened, was it not?

Yes voting once isn’t a hard commit especially early in the game so if roden was able to extricate himself then Luca can flip off him but it never happened so why not stay on for the cred. Not like Luca pushed him and pushed him, all he did was leave his vote on roden

[Oatsmaster]

Guys, please. I don't need you to explain to me how bussing works. You don't need to explain the strategy behind it or why a person might do it.

If you're going to talk to me about it more, talk about why it doesn't stick out to you that Luca did it THIS early, THIS proactively.

Roden was dead in the water once he couldn’t post.
Ez cred

You're referring to Roden's real life injury, right? I'm pretty sure Luca's vote was well before that happened, was it not?

And in that case, why would he be

'dead in the water

' any more than someone like Naerys, for example?

Having a real life injury is a valid reason for less activity anyway.

Being scum and not being able to post as the leading wagon means you are dead in the water, it has nothing to do with anyone else

[Oatsmaster]

Like I’m not sure why everything has to be explained to the most minute detail…

[Oatsmaster]

Also Oats, do you still believe in your Roden/Dann/Luca theory, or have you been swayed at all by what I've said?

I’m not wasting my time/energy entertaining teams anymore till I see a flip

[Luca Blight]

Guys, please. I don't need you to explain to me how bussing works. You don't need to explain the strategy behind it or why a person might do it.

If you're going to talk to me about it more, talk about why it doesn't stick out to you that Luca did it THIS early, THIS proactively.

Roden was dead in the water once he couldn’t post.
Ez cred

You're referring to Roden's real life injury, right? I'm pretty sure Luca's vote was well before that happened, was it not?

And in that case, why would he be

'dead in the water

' any more than someone like Naerys, for example?

Having a real life injury is a valid reason for less activity anyway.

Being scum and not being able to post as the leading wagon means you are dead in the water, it has nothing to do with anyone else

So he was the leading wagon at this time, so your theory makes no sense then as I was already bussing him by this time, in your mind?

[Oatsmaster]

Guys, please. I don't need you to explain to me how bussing works. You don't need to explain the strategy behind it or why a person might do it.

If you're going to talk to me about it more, talk about why it doesn't stick out to you that Luca did it THIS early, THIS proactively.

Roden was dead in the water once he couldn’t post.
Ez cred

You're referring to Roden's real life injury, right? I'm pretty sure Luca's vote was well before that happened, was it not?

And in that case, why would he be

'dead in the water

' any more than someone like Naerys, for example?

Having a real life injury is a valid reason for less activity anyway.

Being scum and not being able to post as the leading wagon means you are dead in the water, it has nothing to do with anyone else

So he was the leading wagon at this time, so your theory makes no sense then as I was already bussing him by this time, in your mind?

This doesn’t make sense, rephrase

[SuperfluousNinja]

Spoiler: Why I wouldn't bus Roden or defend Dann like this as scum

It's mad to think I would play like this as scum if they were my partners, in my opinion.

What would you play like if they were your partners

Well, for one, I wouldn't provoke Darth Punk into his inevitable 'Dann/Luca' conclusion with 1580. I wouldn't defend Dann as much as I'm doing, as I'd be overly aware of it and I wouldn't find it necessary, as I think Dann can take care of himself without my protection, In fact, I'd probably be more likely to side with Darth Punk in this conflict, betting on there being a more likely compromise elimination at the end of the day. Especially as Darth punk previously townread me.

I don't think I would create a situation where Roden, my partner, is my only scumread, either. Or if I did, I would have bussed a lot harder.

Can you read my case and explain why I am wrong then if you Think dann is obv town. Luca?

Yes, I will do a bit later.

And in reality Dann would have created his own problems by pursuing Darth Punk in such a way, if Dann is scum and Darth Punk town.

You are looking at the game in such a simplistic manner, oats.

You haven’t really defended dann though and you couldn’t have done anything about roden

People keep suggesting I've been 'soft-defending' Dann, and now apparently I haven't been defending him?

In my opinion, stating that you clearly townread someone who is being cased as scum and voted by multiple players is a form of defence.

Regarding Roden, I'm not sure what you mean? the reason he was suspected in the first place stemmed from my initial interactions with him. I could have either used his 'joke' to twist that as him being more likely town, which is I think what Vivax townread him for, although i could be wrong, or I would have hard-bussed. In such a game as this, I would have definitely used something like that to give myself a chance to seem productive and proactive, rather than sitting idly on the vote while Roden catches up. I just can't imagine townreading Dann as I have either if we were scum - I would have used Dann as a way to have easy interactions in the thread to make it look as though I was sorting him.

A bit like you and Outoforder, for example - you are bouncing ideas off each other and both seem really town (and I think you are), but it wouldn't shock me if you two were capable of that as scum, and you'd have the motivation and energy for it as you clearly enjoy playing with each other.

Thank you for this. I especially see how this part is true:

I wouldn't defend Dann as much as I'm doing, as I'd be overly aware of it and I wouldn't find it necessary, as I think Dann can take care of himself without my protection

Consider me officially disembarked from the choo choo Luca train.