Open 897 - Cop 17er [DAY 6]

[usesPython]

wait a second none of enchants list has an anime avatar

[usesPython]

is Bingle avatar considered anime tho

I don't think Arthur is an anime

[usesPython]

this is why i turned of avatar display so they are not a distraction for reading people

Could this be a form of cheating (sidesteps the townmaxxing avatar meta)

[usesPython]

next question: enchant why you hammer furtive but not lemon

It's so that you can hammer all the scum

[usesPython]

next question: enchant why you hammer furtive but not lemon

It's so that you can hammer all the scum

TRUE, good guy enchant move lol

but when did townreading someone ever stop him from hammering, or is this piece of meta not accurate anymore

We've survived being put at E-1 on day 1 in town!Enchant games before, it's not 100% accurate anymore

[usesPython]

Enchant
Dave
Theta
Bella
Bingle
VACANT

Why is Theta in there

Because Theta is town ofc


Next question

What makes theta town btw

[usesPython]

Any reason for all the bella townreads or is it just her not scumposting

Didn't u put her in too

Yeah but she's there for not scumposting so we wanna know if we missed something that made bella obvtown

I think Bella was the useful townie for scum who wanted Ari dead yesterday.

I agree with this assessment

the ari wagon yesterday sprang up right after I argued with Bella so I feel like it means scum thought they could get her vote on me and kill me there - the votes as I remember were Davesaz/Lemon/UserPython before Dannflor put his foot down and said no ari kill today so I kinda think it points to Python or Dave being mafia since if it was 2 T 1 S wagon it would probably pick up a 4th scum vote and maybe Bella joins to make 5. Python hopped on in a really weird way too and hopped off after Dannflor said no to ari being limmed.

Did this happen between votecounts cause I can't find you having more than 2 votes at any point after day 2 this game

[usesPython]

4699 Bellaphant vote Bingle 4 was Enchant 0
4717 Dannflor vote lemon.tangerine 1 was davesaz 2
4719 Firebringer vote lemon.tangerine 2 was davesaz 1
4725 davesaz vote Aristeia 1 was Bingle 3
4728 usesPython vote davesaz 2 was Bingle 2
4729 RCEnigma vote Theta Alpine 3
4747 usesPython vote Aristeia 2 was davesaz 1
4751 lemon.tangerine vote Aristeia 3

yea the context here was that Bella/Me began fighting about Bella's Bingle push with her logic - Dannflor decided to start pushing Lemon - then Dave votes me and Lemon/Python jump on and try to shove me - Dann comes in and shuts down my wagon by saying I'm town so it makes sense to me that Lemon/Python saw the threat from Dannflor pushing Lemon and decided it would be a good oppurtunity to push me when I'm fighting bella and hopefully get her vote and maybe even Yessirree's

I'd like to remind you that we're perfectly capable of ignoring the conftown to push who we want like we did with furtive

[usesPython]

Also ignores there's the much easier and bigger wagon of Theta during that time which would be way easier to force through

[usesPython]

We're already voting for mafia, we're waiting on the lims to start coming through

[usesPython]

like the whole defense of "oh I wasn't doing this thing like trying to kill you when it's possible to kill you because I could easily kill this other person over here instead" is just unconvincing to me.

The defense isn't "we weren't trying to kill you" because at the time we def were trying to kill you otherwise we wouldn't have a vote there. The defense is that the killing you part wasn't to save lemon because there's way easier ways to do so than trying to kill you

[usesPython]

like the whole defense of "oh I wasn't doing this thing like trying to kill you when it's possible to kill you because I could easily kill this other person over here instead" is just unconvincing to me.

The defense isn't "we weren't trying to kill you" because at the time we def were trying to kill you otherwise we wouldn't have a vote there. The defense is that the killing you part wasn't to save lemon because there's way easier ways to do so than trying to kill you

why would it be easier to kill theta rather than me when I have conflicts with Bella+Yessiree and Bella is vocal in her suspicion of me and Dave just voted me

Because Bella and Dave have no clout at that point whereas joining the Theta wagon (Theta has no clout) with Drew, yessiree, and RCEnigma who just got bonus clout after d2 is a much stronger position to be in

[usesPython]

We're already voting for mafia, we're waiting on the lims to start coming through

wdym

We're shooting in our POE by voting RCE, we're just waiting for the POE to start flipping

[usesPython]

like just looking at that on its face you have lemon+you+dave + bella(maybe) + yessirree(maybe) add in your 3rd member + enchant autohammer = 7

why is theta the easier push for you? who is going to vote for theta with you?

By that math:

Drew/yessiree/rcenigma/python/lemon/3rd member/enchant is also 7 and way easier to justify by saying "oh POE"

[usesPython]

We're already voting for mafia, we're waiting on the lims to start coming through

wdym

We're shooting in our POE by voting RCE, we're just waiting for the POE to start flipping

so now you're sure you're voting for mafia?

what makes today's vote different from your votes on the other days?

what happened to you having shit reads?

We're always voting for mafia, whether they're actually mafia is a separate question

[usesPython]

I have trouble believing you can play by POE when you hard townread people who turn out to be mafia

The trick is to get shot early enough so that being wrong doesn't matter

[usesPython]

We're starting to get into the unproductive territory of "ur bad lol" so I'm just gonna start ignoring these

[usesPython]

why would mafia shoot you if you're playing by POE and they're in your hard townreads

Because most of the time we're also hard townreading the people they're trying to kill while also being townread

[usesPython]

Like we've optimized our townplay to maximize the ability to kill someone that needs to get limmed at some point d1 and then get shot n1 for being extremely townie, it's just that that type of play becomes suboptimal the longer we're kept alive

[usesPython]

why would mafia shoot you if you're playing by POE and they're in your hard townreads

Because most of the time we're also hard townreading the people they're trying to kill while also being townread

it is much easier for them to simply let you hard push townie after townie in your "poe"

Yeah and those cases tend to be town losses, most of the time though they just shoot us

[usesPython]

I think your POE playstyle here is more of a disguise for wanting to shove townies rather than you actually have strong townreads you are defending

That would imply we don't have this playstyle in our other games so I'll just wait for the people that've played with us before to start posting again

[usesPython]

if I were saying you're bad town I wouldn't want to yeet you. I think you're just mafia here because I don't think its possible for you to side so hard anti-town as town

Also this is kinda completely irrelevant for us because you're still calling us so bad that the only explanation is we're mafia

[usesPython]

I think Ari is spot on. Python's 180 on me is super bad.

We we're scumreading you? when

[usesPython]

if I were saying you're bad town I wouldn't want to yeet you. I think you're just mafia here because I don't think its possible for you to side so hard anti-town as town

Also this is kinda completely irrelevant for us because you're still calling us so bad that the only explanation is we're mafia

no I'm calling you mafia

If you can't understand why "You're so bad the only explanation is you're mafia" falls under "ur bad lol" then idk what to tell you

[usesPython]

If you can't understand why "You're so bad the only explanation is you're mafia" falls under "ur bad lol" then idk what to tell you

I said you are siding anti-town, that doesn't say you are bad

This weirdly makes us feel better, thanks.

idk how to respond here cause like yeah Naerys slipped into our towncore and we'd still be townreading her here if she hadn't flipped cause the way we handle POE is to find something that

feels

like a genuine town thought process and then locktown and move on, then reset when the POE is completely empty

[usesPython]

If you can't understand why "You're so bad the only explanation is you're mafia" falls under "ur bad lol" then idk what to tell you

I said you are siding anti-town, that doesn't say you are bad

This weirdly makes us feel better, thanks.

idk how to respond here cause like yeah Naerys slipped into our towncore and we'd still be townreading her here if she hadn't flipped cause the way we handle POE is to find something that

feels

like a genuine town thought process and then locktown and move on, then reset when the POE is completely empty

This occasionally bites us when scum slips through but more often what ends up happening is we find a townslip from LHF and decrease the number of easy lims while limiting the people getting limmed to people that are hard to sort anyways

[usesPython]

limiting the people getting limmed to people that are hard to sort anyways

scum who can't townslip too

[usesPython]

Spoiler: python has voted for

usesPython {'Doctor Drew': 2, 'DragonEater70': 1, 'Gamma Emerald': 1, 'lemon.tangerine': 1, 'Firebringer': 4, 'Aristeia': 3, 'yessiree': 8, 'davesaz': 7, 'Bingle': 3, 'Theta Alpine': 4, 'Titus': 1, 'RCEnigma': 4, 'unvote': 3, 'furtiveglance': 1}

voted for 13 slots. 2 scum, 3 flipped town. Missing Bella, Enchant, Dannflor.

Spoiler: has voted for python

usesPython {'DragonEater70': 1, 'Doctor Drew': 4, 'Gamma Emerald': 1, 'Aristeia': 1, 'RCEnigma': 2, 'Enchant': 2, 'Bingle': 2, 'Titus': 1, 'davesaz': 1}

has been voted by 9 slots. 1 scum, 2 flipped town. Missing Bella, Dannflor, Firebringer, yessiree, Naerys/lemon, furtive, Theta Alpine.

Bella is again the notable overlap, though with so few votes that's going to be the case for most people.

Also notable that there are only 2 slots left that usesPython can't claim to have voted for if they eventually flip scum. "We're voting scum" only holds water if the majority of your votes are on scum. By the numbers, the number of votes on known town already far outnumber votes on scum from my point of view.

If you vote for 13 people in a 4 scum game the majority of your vote will be on town

[usesPython]

Here is your Scum PT:
1. ssbm_Kyouko aka Titus aka Run away vandal
2. DragonEater70 aka The Queens Pet
3. Naerys aka Lurking in the Darkness to Escape the Mod Prods
4. Firebringer aka the Scum King won the election due to a clerical error.

im very proud of this post in hindsight

Do you think Alisae would be kind enough to turn you into a death miller to make this an even better post in hindsight?

[usesPython]

What if DE was a death godfather

[usesPython]

teal deer of Dave's VCA

eh?

teal deer = tl;dr = too long; didn't read = here's a short summary of the longpost

[usesPython]

Jokes aside I think it would be useful for everyone to post their list of six players they think are free of scum

python
firebringer
ari
bingle
Drew
Bella

Jokes aside I think it would be useful for everyone to post their list of six players they think are free of scum

firebringer
bellaphant
doctor drew
bingle
ari
davesaz/yessiree ?

ari
bingle
drew
bella
usespython

trying to figure out who the sixth should be
dave or enchant
realistically i should just say firebringer but paranoia remains
you all have me getting paranoid of usespython but we should be able to figure out who the third scum is before we get to that

Ari/Bingle/yessiree/fb/dave/python/bella/drew, leaves theta/rce/enchant

Ari
Bingle
yessiree
bella
theta
enchant

I guess could take enchant out I would def have drew in but I forget about drew sometimes (sorry bud)

I guess could take enchant out I would def have drew in but I forget about drew sometimes (sorry bud)

Everybody acting like they forgot about Dre(w)

Do the list buddy

You aren't the boss of me

Also waiting until I get home on my laptop

I list on my terms

My terms have been met.

Python/FB/Bingle/Yess/Ari/Theta?

From left to right, most to least confident

I feel confident in Ari/FB/Me Bella atm, btw. I also feel like reading back is a thing I can do if and when I have to.

dave, dave, dave, dave, dave, dave

Enchant
Dave
Theta
Bella
Bingle
VACANT

Missing lists from Bella and RCE

[usesPython]

ok ignoring the people who selfvoted themselves into the POE the order so far is

1. Bingle (7): yessiree, Aristeia, Theta Alpine, usesPython, Firebringer, Doctor Drew, Enchant
   
2. Bellaphant (7): yessiree, Aristeia, Theta Alpine, usesPython, Firebringer, Bingle, Enchant
   
3. Aristeia (6): yessiree, Theta Alpine, usesPython, Firebringer, Doctor Drew, Bringle
   
4. Doctor Drew (5): yessiree, Aristeia, Theta Alpine, usesPython, Firebringer
   
5. Firebringer (5): yessiree, Aristeia, usesPython, Doctor Drew, Bingle
   
6. yessiree (3.5): usesPython, Firebringer, Doctor Drew, Aristeia?
   
7. Theta Alpine (3): Firebringer, Doctor Drew, Enchant
   
8. usesPython (3): yessiree, Theta Alpine, Doctor Drew
   
9. davesaz (2.5): usesPython, Enchant, Aristeia?
   
10. Enchant (0):
    
11. RCEnigma (0):

[usesPython]

i am gonna squint at that enchant one

cause while i did not clarify i wanted enchant to be my sixth until later
someone else definitely slotted enchant in their list outright besides enchant themselves

Ari
Bingle
yessiree
bella
theta
enchant

I guess could take enchant out I would def have drew in but I forget about drew sometimes (sorry bud)

We counted this as a vote for Drew over Enchant

[usesPython]

ok ignoring the people who selfvoted themselves into the POE the order so far is

1. Bingle (7): yessiree, Aristeia, Theta Alpine, usesPython, Firebringer, Doctor Drew, Enchant
   
2. Bellaphant (7): yessiree, Aristeia, Theta Alpine, usesPython, Firebringer, Bingle, Enchant
   
3. Aristeia (6): yessiree, Theta Alpine, usesPython, Firebringer, Doctor Drew, Bringle
   
4. Doctor Drew (5): yessiree, Aristeia, Theta Alpine, usesPython, Firebringer
   
5. Firebringer (5): yessiree, Aristeia, usesPython, Doctor Drew, Bingle
   
6. yessiree (3.5): usesPython, Firebringer, Doctor Drew, Aristeia?
   
7. Theta Alpine (3): Firebringer, Doctor Drew, Enchant
   
8. usesPython (3): yessiree, Theta Alpine, Doctor Drew
   
9. davesaz (2.5): usesPython, Enchant, Aristeia?
   
10. Enchant (2): Theta Alpine, Firebringer
    
11. RCEnigma (0):

updated

[usesPython]

Anyone wanna towncase RCE or can we get this day moving already

[usesPython]

ok ignoring the people who selfvoted themselves into the POE the order so far is

1. Bingle (7): yessiree, Aristeia, Theta Alpine, usesPython, Firebringer, Doctor Drew, Enchant
   
2. Bellaphant (7): yessiree, Aristeia, Theta Alpine, usesPython, Firebringer, Bingle, Enchant
   
3. Aristeia (7): yessiree, Theta Alpine, usesPython, Firebringer, Doctor Drew, Bringle, RCEnigma
   
4. Doctor Drew (5): yessiree, Aristeia, Theta Alpine, usesPython, Firebringer
   
5. Firebringer (6): yessiree, Aristeia, usesPython, Doctor Drew, Bingle, RCEnigma
   
6. yessiree (4.5): usesPython, Firebringer, Doctor Drew, RCEnigma, Aristeia?
   
7. usesPython (4): yessiree, Theta Alpine, Doctor Drew, RCEnigma
   
8. davesaz (3.5): usesPython, Enchant, RCEnigma, Aristeia?
   
9. Theta Alpine (3): Firebringer, Doctor Drew, Enchant
   
10. Enchant (2): Theta Alpine, Firebringer
    
11. RCEnigma (0):

updated

Updated again

[usesPython]

It's called voter fraud

[usesPython]

We've been fast nighting since day 2, y'all need to step up

[usesPython]

picture of enchant see below

Spoiler: enchant

bing link of a wikipedia image is the worst url we've seen in a while thanks

Spoiler: sane url

[usesPython]

We kinda ran out of scumreads by this point so we're just gonna go full Enchant mode. dave/fb/yessiree/bingle/python town is probably a winning solve here, swap in Bella or maybe Drew if necessary

[usesPython]

i do not think it is enchant myself
and we were pretty much all wrong on rce it looks like

how many mislims do we have available

Two mislims until 3/2 then the rest need to be correct, means the POE has to be 5 correct townies

[usesPython]

We kinda ran out of scumreads by this point so we're just gonna go full Enchant mode. dave/fb/yessiree/bingle/python town is probably a winning solve here, swap in Bella or maybe Drew if necessary

How sure r u on dave

I think the counterwagons deserve way more scrutiny than trying to call giving someone time for RL derailing a wagon and then bussing when time was up.

Using the fact, that i respect RL stuff and wanted to give her more time IS NOT FAIR AND U ARE KINDLY PISSING ME OFF WITH THIS.

I think Dave is agreeing wit you?

Seems like i need more English lessons, then, my bad.

This is why dave's in there, we can be convinced to swap him out for Drew or Bella

[usesPython]

Is it just based on that dissonance?

I am giving naerys more credit here cause I underestimated her big time

Yeah dave hasn't really done anything that townie this game from his end, without those posts he'd be near the bottom

[usesPython]

You ever get multiple people telling you you did something wrong, but you don't even see what you did wrong. And nobody will tell you as punishment

Feels bad when this happen

If you’re trying to describe Hu Tao’s situation, I don’t agree. I and others have tried to explain where our grievances lie and it seems to be alienating them when she should be trying to take it in. And I don’t get how you’re getting the idea that no one is telling her as punishment for anything?
But in general I get this.

No im explaining my situation with my only friends. Things r not looking good.

But enough about me. Are you 100% on Hu Tao as scum? If you are I'll go with you on Hu even though i think she is probably town.

Yuck.

VOTE: Gob

Jesus this is frustrating. Not a single case on me. Objections to voting people that should be pressured. Wtf.

We have a paranoia townread on Enchant based off this

[usesPython]

VOTE: theta

[usesPython]

updated reads and then i probably crawl back into my hole of doing other things

Spoiler: inno

- theholdsteady

Spoiler: town

- dragoneater70
nothing they have posted recently is changing my mind on them
- gob
okay fine i was wrong the general consensus of everyone says this is town so here have town spot

Spoiler: town-lean

- black
- gamma emerald
i believe they are trying to sort through the game and work with people
this is a slight townread though
- usespython
i think i can place them as town now
they do seem to be trying to solve the game and sort through players
- meuh
vibing town here
cannot really explain further other then just vibe though
they seem to be playing somewhat similar to a past town game i had with them

Spoiler: null

- theta alpine
my traditional self placement
- kyouko
as mentioned in an earlier post i do not think their intro to the thread is scum-indicative
but i also am not about to give them a free town pass for it so i will just wait for them to post stuff of substance to read
- everyone not somewhere else
either from a combination of low posting or just not enough content for me to read

Spoiler: scum-lean

- naerys
likely candidate for bussing maybe
i do not know i will have to think about it

Spoiler: scum

- yessiree
not only for points that dragon has made but also
just general interactions i have had with this slot lead me to believe they may be interacting in bad faith with folk
- firebringer
scummiest of the scum we should eliminate him immediately

Spoiler: guilty

no one yet obviously

i do need to actually try and sort through furtive and rce
i am
unsure what to think about both
kind of want to wait for day 2 to sort them to be honest but will see if i can motivate myself to try and sort them sooner

I just realized the "Naerys is bussing yes man" read is this old holy hell

[usesPython]

Theta -> Dave is probably optimal

Can expand on this if needed

Need sleep now tho

Endgame of Bella/Enchant/Drew/FB/yessiree/Bingle/Python -2 is gonna be pretty hard if we don't hit scum. What's your Enchant read?

[usesPython]

if i die tonight, i was checking dragoneater

if we die tonight we were checking theta

Ah fuck if theta is mafia why are we still alive

[usesPython]

oh nvm because Theta copread DE I am dumb

[usesPython]

Actually that brings up a good point: What if DE was shot to deny FB their check while also shooting someone townie

[usesPython]

Why you so certain on Python town here.

Honestly? 5448.

Like, I think uP is actually trying to solve. The theories they put out are a little bonkers, but I can understand a logic that would lead there. I don't think scum would make up the train of thought of "Maybe theta is trying to frame the cop by killing the cop's inno." when that's a ridiculous thing for scum to have done. I'm not saying uP has a pass to 3P, I'm saying I'm personally uninterested in that yeet atm.

I'm specifically interested in the yesyeet because my goldfish brain associates the ERRYBODY GIVE TOWNREADS plan with yes and I think that plan is exactly how moderately townie scum wins here.

We're saying that Theta killing DE does the triple duty of killing a widely townread person, testing if DE is cop, and denying FB a clear if FB is a cop. Don't think Theta would be framing FB with that kill if FB was cop. This would also imply an anti-cop read on us (might have read us tracking hypos as VT cophunting to cc a fake cop)

[usesPython]

We're saying that Theta killing DE does the triple duty of killing a widely townread person, testing if DE is cop, and denying FB a clear if FB is a cop. Don't think Theta would be framing FB with that kill if FB was cop. This would also imply an anti-cop read on us (might have read us tracking hypos as VT cophunting to cc a fake cop)

Hmm counterpoint: does a Naerys/Theta/deepwolf team actually have the balls to risk it all on us not being cop instead of just shooting us

[usesPython]

We're saying that Theta killing DE does the triple duty of killing a widely townread person, testing if DE is cop, and denying FB a clear if FB is a cop. Don't think Theta would be framing FB with that kill if FB was cop. This would also imply an anti-cop read on us (might have read us tracking hypos as VT cophunting to cc a fake cop)

Hmm counterpoint: does a Naerys/Theta/deepwolf team actually have the balls to risk it all on us not being cop instead of just shooting us

I feel like we're getting Naerys'd again but I don't think Theta has the balls to keep us alive there when from her perspective there FB/DE/Python should all have pretty good cop equity

[usesPython]

UNVOTE:

Kinda wanna vote like Drew or Dave here

[usesPython]

UNVOTE:

Kinda wanna vote like Drew or Dave here

Finally, between you and Bella I get some heat.

Quite the change by you though.

No we still townread literally everyone here we just have the least justification for tring you. Like from the people still alive:

• dave - townread from nae/dave interactions
  
• bella - townread
  
• enchant - townread from gob slot
  
• drew - unchecked day 2 townread
  
• fb - townread
  
• yes man - mind controlled into townreading
  
• bingle - townread
  
• theta - anti-scum read

[usesPython]

I think we kinda just need to shut up and sheep tbh, we can towncase everyone here and already shot our scumreads. Let people drop actual cases instead of defending everyone at all times

[usesPython]

Do you want to sheep me

That'd get a townie hammered

[usesPython]

enchant do u wanna vote dave

no

dave scum got it

[usesPython]

enchant do u wanna vote dave

no

dave scum got it

you can't just reverse all my reads

yes i can

Who are you hammering today we'll help

[usesPython]

fr

[usesPython]

drew if i start really saying ur scum will u put forward some solving for me

How about you ask enchant the same question first?

What are your reads

[usesPython]

Do we think both scum are deepwolf types or is there a liability on the team?

[usesPython]

V OTECOUNT 5.1
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
yessiree (3)	Bingle, Doctor Drew, Theta Alpine
NOT VOTING: davesaz, Bellaphant, Enchant Firebringer, yessiree, usesPython
With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2024-02-06 05:47:54)
Notes:

We can extended quickhammer this with Enchant but then Enchant hammering would cause yes man to flip town, this hard

[usesPython]

progame play:

1. force elim
2. at E-1 say "hmm maybe town"
3. 100 accurace

If they flip scum just say "hmm maybe town" was a reaction test

[usesPython]

Can we just finalize a towncore and finish this up already, no one's really playing here anymore

[usesPython]

Letting you endgame as a joke would be pretty funny

[usesPython]

usesPython - I thought town, but they've been really gung ho about this whole let's just all vote for our townreads and not worry about anything else, which is a good way to feed town apathy and then allow scum to 'shake things up' and win despite being in the PoE in a few days. I'm not a fan anymore.

Lets all vote scum then literally do not care as long as we're killing people. Game should have ended like two weeks ago with how little is going on

[usesPython]

If yess is town and Bingle is scum I will quite the site*

*void in the US

[usesPython]

Jeez, at least when I post an image it is much smaller

Everything's bigger in America

[usesPython]

VOTE: theta

[usesPython]

VOTE: theta

Python, hurry back, I have a Drew read that may make you very proud.

What's the drew read

[usesPython]

I refuse to reread the game

[usesPython]

Summarize it in a twitter post

[usesPython]

What point of reading game if you then forget content.

Literally me

It's so that you can say you read the game (This brings the more efficient optimization of not reading and then lying about it)

[usesPython]

What if we killed dave here

[usesPython]

Also figured out how to counter townreading everyone: forget about the game and refuse to re-read

[usesPython]

I will not accept a town case on someone who has done half as much as I have for town.

also like wtf?

> asks people to vote ur scumread Bella
> gets explaination why people are townreading Bella
> won't accept the explanation

what the fuck do you actually want

For people to vote bella

[usesPython]

It's my birthday, it's a new avatar, and python refuses to engage with my Drew read(which ironically has to do with Dave)

So new year new Drew, I might sheep you again Yess

What is your read I'm not rereading the game and that includes digging up what the drew read is

[usesPython]

VOTE: dave

[usesPython]

You sucked my energy of the whole read tbh

This game is an energy black hole

[usesPython]

What we really need to do is pretend nothing ever happened this game and restart RVS

[usesPython]

We're cop, sheep us

[usesPython]

Dead game, can we just start blasting already?

[usesPython]

ohh i just double checked apparently birthday is optional and i just never filled it in...
normally i just lie on every online site about my birthday just so i can get random happy birthday messages throughout the year and tell people that they shouldn't trust some random form i filled out.

Happy birthday

[usesPython]

With no one here wanting to reread or case or really do anything can we just start blasting until someone actually gets the motivation to play?

[usesPython]

With no one here wanting to reread or case or really do anything can we just start blasting until someone actually gets the motivation to play?

u dont get motivation to play

u play to get motivation

no one's doing that either mr zen master

[usesPython]

You can player enforce deadlines democratically by just killing people faster

[usesPython]

Policy the next person not trying to kill people before deadline

[usesPython]

We didn't compromise on furt or rce

[usesPython]

im totally good with elim dave

He might not be playing like scum, but he has had plenty of time to show me a thought process I can see a progression or thought put into the game as being town. He could easily done this i think. Just because I can point to things and say "yeah this doesn't feel like what scum would be posting here" doesn't mean it isn't just him being a lazy scum who has been hiding behind his VCA arguments for lack of real scumhunting.

where vote

[usesPython]

hang on yes man needs to unvote so that enchant can vote and then yessiree can hammer

[usesPython]

i went back through Naerys iso to see if i can find any info

for one I think it clears Bingle, might have been said before.

But theres a lack of interactions with two people in particular i will iso at some point
Python and Yessiree.

It seems to me that naerys was directly engaging with town throughout her iso, either calling people scummy who were town, or trying to buddy town. Theres actually a huge lack of interactions to scum buddies.

If we just focus on slots she didn't talk to we are more likely to get her two partners me thinks.

Also this would presumably clear davesaz since she was interacting with him quite a bit.

UNVOTE:

read through on python and yessiree tomorrow.

Why would she be interacting with us we literally locktowned her already, like there's no scumread on her she needed to head off and buddying more than a locktown already doesn't matter

[usesPython]

Why would she be interacting with us we literally locktowned her already, like there's no scumread on her she needed to head off and buddying more than a locktown already doesn't matter

r u telling me u don't talk to people who have u as lock town when ur scum or something

We talk to everyone as scum but that's cause we're good at the game

[usesPython]

but like from lazy scum perspective you're not gonna put in effort to 1984 someone when they're already locked into the position you want them to be in

[usesPython]

I was thinking Kyouko would never choose to check me when she can read me fine without a check, but since the n0 is random that isn’t a valid point

This might be why kyouko hypo'd a gamma inno

[usesPython]

Black/kyouko fight from posts ~500-700 make Black pretty townie, it's got that element of edge that tends to be missing from scum!Black reacting to a perceived shitpush

[usesPython]

oh god is the game starting up again?

[usesPython]

I don't think I want Drew or Enchant dead this game ever

[usesPython]

Remember when i said i need to reconsider my townlist?

Oh well, forget it. I like it like that so far.

Okay enchant, I can believe you have reads.

BUT I DOUBT YOU HAVE A TOWN LIST

The list:

1. Enchant
   
2. Enchant
   
3. Enchant
   
4. Enchant
   
5. Enchant

[usesPython]

It's been like 24 hours why haven't we killed anyone yet

VOTE: yessiree

[usesPython]

Aristea

-Feeling a genuine solving attempts, even if i disagree with some of her opinions - i dont really care how i appear in this game also i dont think Black is scum, in 1085 fgot to write her opinion about Gob
Bella- 7 posts so far, idk what to think
Black (Drew)- having fun and chilling, i like this attitude

Dragon

-towny, lets see where the pocketmaster will lead us
Firebringer-idk he feels charming but in diff way than Black, like there is hidden motive under all of that acting, possible scum

furtive

- idk yet

Gamma

- solving townie
Gob (Enchant)- fluffy pillow under my head
Hu Tao (Bingle)-Suspicious but needs to post more

Meuh

-null

RCE

-null

Titus

-null
THS (dave)-idk yet
Theta-feels like solving town

Python

- they are quite hard for me to read -> they are rather good as scum so i am wary
yessiree- still dont like his posting, i can see him as scum

Horoscope level read: sort the explanations by character count, lowest will hit scum

[usesPython]

UNVOTE:

fb what's the dave towncase

[usesPython]

Horoscope level read: sort the explanations by character count, lowest will hit scum

Sentiment analysis of this would imply that FB is also probably town from Naerys overexplaining the read

[usesPython]

I think we need to go back to our original "Theta/Dave/Bella is a gamewinning solve" read

[usesPython]

1. Aristea
   
   Feeling a genuine solving attempts, even if i disagree with some of her opinions - i dont really care how i appear in this game also i dont think Black is scum, in 1085 fgot to write her opinion about Gob
   
2. Firebringer
   idk he feels charming but in diff way than Black, like there is hidden motive under all of that acting, possible scum
   
3. Python
   
   they are quite hard for me to read -> they are rather good as scum so i am wary
   
4. Dragon
   
   towny, lets see where the pocketmaster will lead us
   
5. yessiree
   still dont like his posting, i can see him as scum
   
6. Black (Drew)
   having fun and chilling, i like this attitude
   
7. Hu Tao (Bingle)
   Suspicious but needs to post more
   
8. Bella
   7 posts so far, idk what to think
   
9. Gob (Enchant)
   fluffy pillow under my head
   
10. Theta
    feels like solving town
    
11. Gamma
    
    solving townie
    
12. furtive
    
    idk yet
    
13. THS (dave)
    idk yet
    
14. Meuh
    
    null
    
15. RCE
    
    null
    
16. Titus
    
    null

[usesPython]

Horoscope level read: sort the explanations by character count, lowest will hit scum

Sentiment analysis of this would imply that FB is also probably town from Naerys overexplaining the read

Like compare the complexity of the "idk he feels charming but in diff way than Black, like there is hidden motive under all of that acting, possible scum" compared to Titus's "null"

[usesPython]

Why Titus?

Me

,

Gamma

,

Python

,

Meuh

are town. Black,

Ari

, gob and

furtive

are probably town.

Nobody wants to vote yess
Nobody wants to

RC

Titus had a scummy post and also isn't posting a lot.

Sounds like enough reasons to vote Titus for me.

Thats quite a lot of solid reads.How are you this confident

indirect discrediting DE's Titus vote

this means DE's townreads are more or less on point

[usesPython]

Something we should check when we have time: We know exactly when Naerys swapped on Titus and can assume that's when Titus went "bus time" in maf PT, so rereading the LHF with that in mind

[usesPython]

Spoiler: huge quotes of Titus vs yessiree wagons

I don't get why people want yes man dead

VOTE: Titus

VOTE: Titus

yessiree ISO looks fine to me

Why Titus?

VOTE: Titus

To have a

wagon

.

wolf team conspiring rn

Nobody wants to vote yess

This seems incorrect

Why Titus?

Me, Gamma, Python, Meuh are town. Black, Ari, gob and furtive are probably town.

Nobody wants to vote yess
Nobody wants to RC

Titus had a scummy post and also isn't posting a lot.

Sounds like enough reasons to vote Titus for me.

Thats quite a lot of solid reads.How are you this confident

i still want to see a yes wagon
i am not sure how people are seeing some of his content as towny

VOTE: yes

i still want to see a yes wagon
i am not sure how people are seeing some of his content as towny

What is scummy about his content though
I agree it's not super townie but I looked at his ISO and just thought it was okay, not particularly compelling

He's practically openwolfing

I don't see anything towny about him at all

Try to read his posts from the viewpoint that he's scum just openwolfing and see if it makes sense

VOTE: yes

VOTE: yess

VOTE: yess
.sorry, I am having a shit week and can't keep up but I've skim read and am basically sleeping dragon, plus the last time I engaged with this thread yess was my only SR.

P-edit I thought theta was fairly town.

Scum Yes was rather obv in the game I played with him

VOTE: Titus
LETS CROSS VOTE COME ON

Scum Yes was rather obv in the game I played with him

Sorry, what's your read on yess?

I scumread him

More Titus votes

V OTECOUNT 1.6
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
yessiree (5)	Naerys, Theta Alpine, Aristeia, DragonEater70, Bellaphant
Titus (4)	Hu Tao, Meuh, davesaz, Firebringer
Firebringer (3)	gob, usesPython, yessiree
Hu Tao (1)	Titus
Meuh (1)	Black
Naerys (1)	furtiveglance
usesPython (1)	RCEnigma
NOT VOTING: Gamma Emerald
With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-12-25 01:44:07)
Notes: I have seized control of the game in a coup d'etat. When Alisae is no longer sick they will return to their rightful place. Please alert me of any votecount errors you notice!

Aristea-Feeling a genuine solving attempts, even if i disagree with some of her opinions - i dont really care how i appear in this game also i dont think Black is scum, in 1085 fgot to write her opinion about Gob
Bella- 7 posts so far, idk what to think
Black- having fun and chilling, i like this attitude
Dragon-towny, lets see where the pocketmaster will lead us
Firebringer-idk he feels charming but in diff way than Black, like there is hidden motive under all of that acting, possible scum
furtive- idk yet
Gamma- solving townie
Gob- fluffy pillow under my head
Hu Tao-Suspicious but needs to post more
Meuh-null
RCE-null
Titus-null
THS-idk yet
Theta-feels like solving town
Python- they are quite hard for me to read -> they are rather good as scum so i am wary
yessiree- still dont like his posting, i can see him as scum

i dont like the way yessiree posts and i dont find him doing much tbh

I think yessiree is acting. No meta so don't know if this is usual or not, but it's definitely feeling like a persona.

I can kinda see a persona vibe, we've correctly scumread yes man with that read in that past

VOTE: yessiree

VOTE: yessiree
I was gonna do this once I posted my solve but since that’s not happening, I will just place the vote and that’s that

I do feel pretty good about scum!Titus

I do feel pretty good about scum!Titus

I am open to a Titus elim

VOTE: Titus

I like this better than the yess wagon

I think 1151 was what pinged me on scum!Titus

really weird pivot from her earlier exchange with Black into an ari vote, tone felt off too since she was suggesting both of them are scum together, so why did she feel the need to pivot?

VOTE: Titus

just like the good ol' days

VOTE: titus

But looking over this game he doesn't really use them a lot either?

I think you might be a little confbiased Gamma

It happened a lot early so it’s less confbias and more just being locked-on to something that has changed over time
VOTE: Titus
Not really feeling the yess vote anymore

UNVOTE:
Last in first out ig

V OTECOUNT 1.7
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Titus (7)	Hu Tao, Meuh, davesaz, Firebringer, Black, yessiree, Aristeia
yessiree (5)	Naerys, Theta Alpine, DragonEater70, Bellaphant, usesPython
Bellaphant (1)	furtiveglance
Firebringer (1)	gob
Hu Tao (1)	Titus
usesPython (1)	RCEnigma
NOT VOTING: Gamma Emerald
With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2023-12-25 01:44:07)
Notes: I have seized control of the game in a coup d'etat. When Alisae is no longer sick they will return to their rightful place. Please alert me of any votecount errors you notice!

TLDR - dave, firebringer, Black had momentum swing votes on Titus, dave was kinda on the fence about yess while voting Titus
theta and naerys were trying to swing the momentum back to me with support from more prominent members like Gamma and DE
bella and python in particular had opportunistic votes trying to direct energy away from Titus

all in all, this makes my eval go up for the people on Titus. i think this reaffirms my firebringer + black + hu tao townread, and dave is bumped up a notch
{Hu Tao, davesaz, Firebringer, Black}

my eval drops for the people in this group, gob to a lessor extent than the rest
{Theta Alpine, Bellaphant, usesPython, gob}

there were more juicy stuff after this section, but i did a cutoff here cause i wanted to focus on the counter wagon dynamics between Titus and me

my next task would probably be looking at what happened next all the way to the lim to see who tried to direct energy away from the Titus lim and shift the focus of the thread elsewhere

Since you're doing our job for us keep this in mind too

Something we should check when we have time: We know exactly when Naerys swapped on Titus and can assume that's when Titus went "bus time" in maf PT, so rereading the LHF with that in mind

[usesPython]

UNVOTE:

fb what's the dave towncase

the timing is muy bad-o

Huh? I kinda thought casting shade on me and then voting someone I think is probtown while I'm getting this much "Bingle neverscum" thread energy is an unlikely course of action for scum.

Not fire, but this.

I feel like if we set the townread standard this low we go back to townreading everyone

[usesPython]

That feels like a ridiculous assertion when I’m voting the leading wagon, tbh.

No we agree with you that Dave's actions aren't scum agenda we just don't agree that makes him town when the alternative explanation is just that scum are liking the current gamestate

Do you have a town case on yes?

I think our yes townread is like 90% mindcontrol but we're also not ready to break free from it

[usesPython]

I am bored.

I just sell my vote to Bingle.


That obviously won't backfire.

This is the best scum bingle case I heard all game

Yeah, that's a pretty solid scum bingle case, tbh. I'm not really sure how to handle being this townread when I'm actually town.

Personally, I hate when that happens

Imagine getting scumread ever, can't relate

[usesPython]

Imagine getting scumread ever, can't relate

I love every minute of it

Drew confscum

(You're welcome)

[usesPython]

VOTE: dave

Hammer when

[usesPython]

Enchant get on dave at E-2 so that yes man can hammer instead

[usesPython]

Deadline's coming up. We're ok with Theta/dave and can do bella/yes man if it's needed

[usesPython]

alright i am here for today
i continue to think it is yess and python

Is this an individual "Python scum and also yes man scum" or a combined "Python/yes man scum together" read

[usesPython]

Enchant willingly giving up the chance to hammer by putting yes man at e-1, wow

[usesPython]

Throwing big posts every time you are in danger huh

Is that actually scum indicative or is it more of a sign that no one has any motivation to play anymore

[usesPython]

Who wants to throw theta out of the airlock with us

[usesPython]

VOTE: theta

[usesPython]

Throwing big posts every time you are in danger huh

Is that actually scum indicative or is it more of a sign that no one has any motivation to play anymore

I am allergic to big letters, especially if they can be stated in simple 5-6 words and inflated just for sake of that.

BOO

[usesPython]

Supernatural forces are in play. Will Enchant scumreading yes man force him to flip town or will us defending yes man force him to flip scum. Find out next time on Dragon Ball Z

[usesPython]

Some fools say that alignments are determined at game start

Who's to say this game isn't bastard

[usesPython]

Can we just put them out of their misery already?

[usesPython]

We yeet everyone off the theta wagon and probably win

VOTE: enchant

Do I just put them at E-1 now?

Let JV check in first imo

Don't be so cruel as to force them to read this game

[usesPython]

yes man/python town
fb/drew probably town
leaves scum in dave/enchant/jv

[usesPython]

We're content with flipping Enchant here we're just waiting for every to finish posting

[usesPython]

I kinda want to be done with this game already Frew

Time to make this game last the full 6 weeks and also keep you alive

[usesPython]

I really should't defend self, you all should play better.

Who is mafia

[usesPython]

I really should't defend self, you all should play better.

Who is mafia

I already answered that.

But it may be firebringer.

Why facebook

[usesPython]

I really should't defend self, you all should play better.

SEZ U

Says the guy that was against every lim on scum and for every lim on town

What are you talking about, that's good play for enchant _{when rolling red PM}

[usesPython]

What if we hammered Enchant rn

[usesPython]

VOTE: enchant

boom

[usesPython]

enchant on a scale of 1 to 10 how relieved are you that the game is over

[usesPython]

I know it's not over though i am at E1

Further evidence enchant is mafia, he double checked the vote count and realized yes man voted twice

[usesPython]

only mafia can count to 4

[usesPython]

no that's wrong firebringer is mafia cop

[usesPython]

I am tired

Hello tired

[usesPython]

JV when they find out this is an open and there's only 1 mafia still alive

[usesPython]

Where does it say that? I see nothing but rolecards and general rules

/in to mod

Game Name:

Cop 17er

Number of Players:

17

Backup/Co-Mod:

Ausuka

Setup Link:

4 Goons, 12 VTs, 1 Town Alignment Cop w/ a random N0 Innocent

Player Experience:

a lot

Moderating Experience:

a lot

Current Modding Commitments:

nothing

Hydra Policy:

Sure

Alt Policy:

I need to know who alts are

Playerlist Policy:

wotm + wotc

Other Restrictions:

No restrictions but you probably want a good understanding of how hypoclaiming works to get the best experience of this setup

Deadlines:

14-day days, 1-day nights

Prod Timer:

48 hour prod timers

Is Daytalk enabled:

yes

Requests for exceptions to site rules:

no

Other:

I highly recommend understanding how hypoclaiming works to get the best experience of the setup, happy to explain

[usesPython]

Closed setup in the open queue would be pretty lit

[usesPython]

Dragoneater don't lie u were scum cop

I was

btw my read on Meuh was 100% a meta read and not a cop inno, I had a cop inno on Python

[usesPython]

Dragoneater don't lie u were scum cop

I was

btw my read on Meuh was 100% a meta read and not a cop inno, I had a cop inno on Python

I crumbed it so many times and expected you to notice!

Yeah for some reason we expected the cop to do the high level strategy of truthfully reporting their results but in retrospect fakeclaiming a n0 would still work since if it's wrong you rule yourself out as cop and dont get shot

[usesPython]

oh right notes PT

[usesPython]

Good morning Black

Meuh is town because you gotta read her as a cheerful lighthearted 17 year old girl who plays Mafia for funsies and doesn't care about being townread and likes to joke, and then everything she does makes sense.

And you might say "wouldn't she do this as either alignment?" and the answer is "technically it's possible, but from my experience with Meuh this

fluffposting

funposting is her way to interact with the game as town".

Which is just a very elaborate way of saying I'm meta townreading Meuh and I think her tone is towny. BUT I am 99.9% sure of this read. Please don't vote her.

This makes DE n0 feel like a read

right for the wrong reasons lmao

[usesPython]

I am honestly low iq

same

VOTE: ari

Can you elaborate on your read on her?

This is actually a cringe post, Python is clearly sheeping.

(I am sorry for using the word "cringe", I just felt if I used "bad" people might think I mean "scummy")

fr fr, this thread is thinkmaxxing and anti-thinkmaxxing at any given moment

What's thinkmaxxing?

maximizing thinking (i.e. using your brain)