Open 897 - Cop 17er [DAY 6]

[Bingle]

IM A COWBOY

[Bingle]

[Bingle]

well if that slot was scum, we have no hope of eliminating it now.

welcome jingle

Nah, I'm town. We'll probably eliminate me pretty quick.

If you were to pick someone for me to pick to ask who to sheep who would it be?

[Bingle]

ari, who should I sheep.

[Bingle]

Well, sure. But until I do that who should I sheep?

[Bingle]

i don't know

Who is in this game and no one told me? DAFUQ ALI, I WOULD'VE REPLACED IN DECADES AGO IF YOU TOLD ME THAT!

[Bingle]

well if that slot was scum, we have no hope of eliminating it now.

welcome jingle

Nah, I'm town. We'll probably eliminate me pretty quick.

If you were to pick someone for me to pick to ask who to sheep who would it be?

Just join me in the whiskey pocket and let everyone fight it out, then we can make the hero play on day 6

Tha fuck would I want to be alive on D6 for?


Legitimately, this is a mountainous game. We should pretty much just be turbolimming anyone remotely sus here so that town doesn't die to attrition. I'm gonna play this as a wagon hop skip and a jump to try and make things actually happen.

VOTE: lemon

[Bingle]

i mean i do think lemon could be scum with yess
but only with yess

and the reasons i have seen people scum reading naerys for are really bad

Why?

[Bingle]

hi i lost power this weekend cause big storm sorry for my absence

I’ll get to this game in the morning

Scum claim, tbh. The town in this setup don’t have powers.

[Bingle]

Ari’s presence has been unimpressive but I’m nominally satisfied by the lemon case. Theta prob town.

[Bingle]

i get looking at worst possibilities but the way the guy did it was just wrong on so many levels

Lynx?

[Bingle]

I have quite a few games of me defending people as town if thats something you would want to read. I also did i say that i find talking about meta not really great.

However my opinion still stands from what i said then and has only changed a little after reading back.

Trying to just hammer someone because a nightkill scummed them is infact a really bad case of conf biasing, especially when the guy was trying to show himself as town and all he got was "no you are wolf" answers

I said it there even how it was unreasonable. The could be wolf but to scum me because i didn't agree with you? So now i have to be partnered with him is just wrong on so many levels

Is the following summation accurate?

Yess had bad vibes based on NKA, and you were like: that doesn’t sit well with me.

Peeps(ari?) started pushing you as scum for defending yes.

If so, do you have reasons to townread yes, or just reasons to NAI read them. Feel free to answer with post numbers if this has been addressed.

[Bingle]

hi i lost power this weekend cause big storm sorry for my absence

I’ll get to this game in the morning

Scum claim, tbh. The town in this setup don’t have powers.

That's our IC btw in case you missed it

It was a joke in the first place, but good to know. That makes me feel less good about ari, actually.

[Bingle]

Whoa hey there Bingle

Who did you replace

John Wayne. I’m a cowboy now.

[Bingle]

hi i lost power this weekend cause big storm sorry for my absence

I’ll get to this game in the morning

Scum claim, tbh. The town in this setup don’t have powers.

That's our IC btw in case you missed it

It was a joke in the first place, but good to know. That makes me feel less good about ari, actually.

We wanna hear more about this too btw

Ari/Dann since I've joined feels very much like buddying, which isn't necessarily a scum thing but definitely makes me less full of the warm fuzzies if Dann is conftown.

[Bingle]

Ari/Dann since I've joined feels very much like buddying, which isn't necessarily a scum thing but definitely makes me less full of the warm fuzzies if Dann is conftown.

where have I tried to buddy Dann

I put 100% of the credit/blame for whatever this turns out to be on Dannflor sorry buddy

This is the post that pinged. You had what seems like a very solid case on lemon, and undermined it by saying it relies on Dann. Knowing that “relies on Dann” here means “relies on conftown” changes the dynamic of that post, and gives me a bit more hesitation. :shrug:

Like I said, it’s not something that makes me jump to scumreading you, but it does raise my eyebrows and I think it’ll be interesting to look at regardless of how lemon flips.

[Bingle]

Odds of me eating a bullet are like 0 and I should read over the night phase right? Imma be pissed if I read and die.

[Bingle]

Odds of me eating a bullet are like 0 and I should read over the night phase right? Imma be pissed if I read and die.

Mafia you know what to do, dann isn't a threat this game

In the words of a good friend of mine: “I fucking hate it here.”

[Bingle]

Uses python feels cheeky in a non cheeky scum way, if that makes any sense at all.

[Bingle]

why blame dann when u can blame me

VOTE: lemon.tangerine

Bad lim but murder death kill good here

just say it'll flip scum

and i'll manifest that reality through sheer will

Buddy it's a bad lim

because

they'll flip scum trust

Is this the jester game again or something.....?

Can’t be, I’m neither the mod nor a reviewer.

[Bingle]

My thoughts are Bingle is conftown and would make an excellent nightkill target. Popcorn yes.

[Bingle]

ari confirmed town for all i care about.
if any of u argue she is scum i will just spam silly gifs at u about how ur being bad/dumb

Ari is scum because I need more gifs.

[Bingle]

Why is yes being cleared?

[Bingle]

Specifically VC 2.5 looks really bad for yes on the surface and I’m curious why that isn’t a pushing point.

[Bingle]

But Naerys also not voting town with a real wagon over a vanity wagon that was going nowhere seems wack as hell, and given my experience with Naerys she seems like she doesn't have a lot of confidence in her scumgame.

[Bingle]

5051 was about the VCA clearing, I don't particularly have a reason to doubt your lemon meta, ari.

[Bingle]

Voting your counterwagon as scum is generally a no no cause then you look like you're in survival mode which people tend to scumread, much easier to stay on vanity wagons and let your team save you then switch when it's actually necessary

Hmm. I firmly disagree with this, but it sounds loosely like a thing you might believe.

[Bingle]

this is never s/s right

I think 3602 is something scum fire doesn't say to scum naerys that late in the game, but I absolutely do think that 3649 is something scum naerys would say to scum fire, fwiw. I think Fire would have committed hard to bussing Naerys or put effort into making sure she was having fun with how self conscious she can be in the scum pt.

Grain of salt, her scumgame with me was literally her first completed scumgame, so maybe she was drastically more comfortable this game, but I doubt it.

[Bingle]

I dunno I just never expect fire to fake fights with scum teammates in the pub chat he just seems like such a chill guy

Fire is v chill, he's just also really good at trolling. The reason I agree with your conclusion is that I think Fire wouldn't have trolled Naerys there specifically because he'd see her lack of confidence in the scum PT.

[Bingle]

honestly don't know maybe python or the guy who only looks for the worst in ppl (erc enigma something like that name i already forgot) but pythons wagon is kinda already dead in the water. Ill probably find someone else after i get the readlist done today

I feel like this is textbook MU badly done distancing to Python

If you told me that post was a shitty attempt at distancing I'd actually lean RCE, tbh. Just as a vacuum.

[Bingle]

i also said this a few days ago

but dave and naerys both played a game together awhile ago
yet neither of the two mentioned each other or even referenced the game they played awhile ago. And I still consider that extremely strange from at least davesaz perspective

game link?

[Bingle]

honestly don't know maybe python or the guy who only looks for the worst in ppl (erc enigma something like that name i already forgot) but pythons wagon is kinda already dead in the water. Ill probably find someone else after i get the readlist done today

I feel like this is textbook MU badly done distancing to Python

If you told me that post was a shitty attempt at distancing I'd actually lean RCE, tbh. Just as a vacuum.

it could be both partners but userPython has the worse associatives because Python's been defending the lemon/naerys slot p hard

I think both is probably a bit of a stretch, but I'm not opposed to flipping either. I feel like maybe the three of us are just getting into a mutual feedback loop of agreement, though, and we should probably get some more voices itt. Regardless, this game feels like one where we can rely on our townhunting being good and just power through pending weird flips/kills.

[Bingle]

FB is town pretending to be mafia pretending to be town pretending to be mafia

ur jokes have been spot on this game and i haven't given u enough credit for them tbh

FB is just town pretending that usesPython’s joke was spot on when really Firebringer has been pretending to be a jester.

[Bingle]

Everybody acting like they forgot about Dre(w)

Drew's dead, he's locked in my basement.

[Bingle]

I feel confident in Ari/FB/Me Bella atm, btw. I also feel like reading back is a thing I can do if and when I have to.

[Bingle]

well im always scum so thats 3/4; if alisae can retroactively update DE to scum. That would be pretty sweet

I'm 1/1 firbrunger. Suck it. Also, this post is more evidence for Fire to be locktown. I doubt he does this smug look how good I am at catching scum thing if he literally knew the scumteam beforehand here.

[Bingle]

Which is precisely why it's the strongest.

[Bingle]

Are we at the point where I can ask for a teal deer of Dave's VCA and then promptly ignore it for the rest of the game because VCA is meh?

[Bingle]

usesPython reminds me a lot of me in some of my scumgames where they're relying heavily on being technically correct and reasonable to defuse the wagon on them. It's also making me want to townread them.

[Bingle]

i thought naerys had been bussing yess during day one and thus yess was the better elim to do first

? Isn't this exactly backwards?

If the activity that is weird originates at Naerys, Naerys is inherently the more likely of the two to flip scum. Further, if Naerys is BUSSING, it's more likely she's the higher value target in the first place. Also, why did you think Naerys was bussing?

[Bingle]

So... The "We should all pick 6 names and blindly elim until everyone else is gone" is a shitty gameplan, because those six names will slowly lose relevance as time goes on. I feel fine with FB, Bella, uP towncore. I'm very much thinking uP town at the moment. I feel like Drew is town, but I should probably put more effort into actually nailing that read to a wall. Off to grab food, back later.

[Bingle]

Why you so certain on Python town here.

Honestly? 5448.

Like, I think uP is actually trying to solve. The theories they put out are a little bonkers, but I can understand a logic that would lead there. I don't think scum would make up the train of thought of "Maybe theta is trying to frame the cop by killing the cop's inno." when that's a ridiculous thing for scum to have done. I'm not saying uP has a pass to 3P, I'm saying I'm personally uninterested in that yeet atm.

I'm specifically interested in the yesyeet because my goldfish brain associates the ERRYBODY GIVE TOWNREADS plan with yes and I think that plan is exactly how moderately townie scum wins here.

[Bingle]

Ur a bad zebra

I dunno. I hear hoofbeats and I immediately think Englishmen with coconuts.

[Bingle]

Yet to vote a scum all game Enchant

took the words outta my mouth

Protip: kissing keyboard (or phone screen) are meh

Use hands to write instead

send me ur address, i will deliver u my handwritten letter with a carrier pigeon

enchant@mafiascum.com

Oh boy, mafiascum.com is a totally different beast than .net haha

Also, I am agreeing with Bingle, python is either definitely town or has somehow found a way to open wolf.

And bella, I agree I could do more/better.......but I actually hate being so town read, saps my desire to Drew it up a bit.

But I do promise that I have a D6 town winning play still stashed in my pocket.

What about mafiascum.edu?

[Bingle]

Why you so certain on Python town here.

Honestly? 5448.

Like, I think uP is actually trying to solve. The theories they put out are a little bonkers, but I can understand a logic that would lead there. I don't think scum would make up the train of thought of "Maybe theta is trying to frame the cop by killing the cop's inno." when that's a ridiculous thing for scum to have done. I'm not saying uP has a pass to 3P, I'm saying I'm personally uninterested in that yeet atm.

I'm specifically interested in the yesyeet because my goldfish brain associates the ERRYBODY GIVE TOWNREADS plan with yes and I think that plan is exactly how moderately townie scum wins here.

We're saying that Theta killing DE does the triple duty of killing a widely townread person, testing if DE is cop, and denying FB a clear if FB is a cop. Don't think Theta would be framing FB with that kill if FB was cop. This would also imply an anti-cop read on us (might have read us tracking hypos as VT cophunting to cc a fake cop)

I agree that you have an unlikely tinfoil for scum to come up with.

[Bingle]

Yet to vote a scum all game Enchant

took the words outta my mouth

Protip: kissing keyboard (or phone screen) are meh

Use hands to write instead

send me ur address, i will deliver u my handwritten letter with a carrier pigeon

3232 Glenstone Ave Springfield MO. I’m keeping the pigeon.

[Bingle]

You’re pretty bad at google.

[Bingle]

https://www.hilton.com/en/hotels/sprsoh ... eld-south/

[Bingle]

Ur a pigeon.

Gottem

VOTE: FireBingle

I'm not counting this vote

You heard it here, folks. Ali is anti FireBingle. Our love is forbidden.

[Bingle]

VOTE: yessirree

Be the world you want to see in the change.

[Bingle]

Why is yes being cleared?

Specifically VC 2.5 looks really bad for yes on the surface and I’m curious why that isn’t a pushing point.

This and a lack of townvibes is pretty much it, tbh, Dave.

I don't have a strong reason to feel yes is scum, but none of the reasons people have been giving to say he's town at all convince me. I am interested in your reasons to suspect me and Bella, but I gotta start somewhere.

[Bingle]

the timing is muy bad-o

Huh? I kinda thought casting shade on me and then voting someone I think is probtown while I'm getting this much "Bingle neverscum" thread energy is an unlikely course of action for scum.

[Bingle]

Also, not really relevant, but every time I read "Dave" I hear H Jon Benjamin's voice.

[Bingle]

No offense intended for Dave, but I don't think he thought that far ahead.

That's kinda my point.

[Bingle]

Everyone knows him from Archer or Bob's Burgers.......but you ever watch the very short loved series 'H John Benjamin Has a Van'?

Yes. Did you ever watch the Arby's commercials?

Or more importantly:

[Bingle]

Votes for {'Aristeia': 3, 'Titus': 2, 'usesPython': 2, 'unvote': 3, 'lemon.tangerine': 2, 'yessiree':1}
Looking at the context, the 2 Titus votes have Ari votes in between, one of the votes on the Naerys/lemon slot could be a distancing vote and the other could be a bus. The Python vote may have some foundation. TBH I haven't reviewed Bingle's posts lately (this came from looking at vote patterns) so I don't now if the yess vote has a foundation or if it's simply group POE based.

I can’t speak for votes prior to me, but the lemon one was because lemon seemed like they were caught for the wrong reasons scum and the yes one is personal PoE mixed with actually being curious as to who would step up to defend yes and who wouldn’t.

[Bingle]

Let's play more hilarious game called "call enchant conftown or get in stupid debate"

I’m in. What do you think is the most delicious bar soap? I’d prefer to argue Dove, but I can pick another if you want to argue Dove.

[Bingle]

Tell me specifically why you won't do Bella or Bingle.

As far as I've seen you've given an actual reason to do neither, so...

[Bingle]

Alright, so I'm pretty happy with a yes lim actually happening at this point, despite the original vote being a PoE poking of the bee's nest . I don't think Dave scum tries to go toe to toe with me here, especially on this shaky of a basis: there's no payoff.

Yes's responses to Drew have all been reasonable, but they also seem to be treating Drew like he's wrong, not like he's being manipulative. I get a vibe of "Gotcha!" in a way that feels like yes is more concerned with making himself look good than the actual content of the argument.

I have an 100% accuracy reading the Doctor Drew baby

Ain't nothing you can do 'bout it

Remember when you said that and I was town

Remember when I didn't call you scum in the end

For example, this doesn't look like yes trying to decide whether Drew is actually scum or not. It's a "I was technically correct" completely sidestepping the original BoP supposition that yes should be able to try to suss out Drew's actual alignment here and doesn't seem to be trying to do that. I frankly don't give a shit about the BoP read, but the reaction to it makes me think scum. I haven't really given this game much thought the last few days, but I'm going to try to do a reads wall shortly with impressions of all slots, so hopefully we can get some real interaction going.

[Bingle]

Firebringer - I talked about the Naerys interaction, but I really do think Fire is just solid town here. I will be shocked if the NK isn't one of the two of us.
davesaz- The VCA seems halfassed and lacking context and I never did get a boiling down of the why behind the conclusions as requested, but trying to shade me seems like a weird place to be as scum dave here. Dude has put actual effort into not wanting to vote in yes/Drew, which makes me think he could only possibly be paired with them (if he's scum he can just let that pair of eliminations happen and be happy, I think.)

Bellaphant - I remember really liking something about Bella, but I just reread her and she honestly feels pretty hollow. I still vaguely feel like she's willing to be eliminated, which is major townpoints for me (Not saying she is, but genuinely giving off an aura of being completely unafraid of the lim). There's a couple posts that are slightly worrisome (5319 particularly seems sheepy in a bad way.)
Doctor Drew - Probably town? He's approaching me in the normal buddying fashion, but it's not overbearing and I don't get the sense he's trying to leverage me to save his own ass, so I'm content to let him live solely on vibe check.
Theta Alpine - Looking back, Theta did this whole weird dance of trying to write off the naerys case as an activity issue, which is a pretty weirdly shaky ground to try to protect a buddy off of. Lemon was going down and thetascum had to know that and also that all of those interactions would look like absolute ass later.
Enchant - The sum total of enchant impression I have at the moment is "God I wish this game was over" but also he's been weirdly hammershy, which doesn't match any enchant interactions I've ever had.
usesPython - I thought town, but they've been really gung ho about this whole let's just all vote for our townreads and not worry about anything else, which is a good way to feed town apathy and then allow scum to 'shake things up' and win despite being in the PoE in a few days. I'm not a fan anymore.
yessiree - See above.


The bottom three are the only ones I don't find myself townreading to some extent, but I definitely prefer a yes lim atm.

[Bingle]

Dude has put actual effort into not wanting to vote in yes/Drew

I don't understand this part, IIRC I voted yes on multiple occasions. I don't think I've said I wouldn't vote Drew -- that's implied as part of not really TRing anyone. Not to mention I don't think Drew has been a wagon at all the whole game, though I must admit I have not attempted to figure out a max drew wagon point yet. I might just do that since you've made me curious by mentioning it.

I'm not talking about voting history, I'm talking about where you want to be right now. There's a loud 1v1 between Drew and yes, where yes is admittedly the only one with any traction, but you're trying to make a new wagon against what is probably the second biggest consensus townread or his stated townread. I think that's town you and not scum you.

The VCA seems halfassed and lacking context and I never did get a boiling down of the why behind the conclusions as requested

The VCA part of it is 100% of the why. Bad voting patterns -> scum. Finding those patterns is a heck of a lot of work, especially looking

between the mod's VC

which is what I'm doing here. Relying solely on the official vc's is why others' VCA doesn't work. I know it's uncomfortable that one of the conclusions is that you're scum.

Two problems... You don't really quantify why they're bad. Like, part of the voting pattern analysis you're doing here is that a slot that was replaced multiple times doesn't often vote scum, when I replaced in and immediately solidified the lim on scum by voting scum when I could have attempted to derail.

'Aristeia': 3, 'Titus': 2, 'usesPython': 2, 'unvote': 3, 'lemon.tangerine': 2, 'yessiree':1

Your data set:

davesaz {'Firebringer': 2, 'unvote': 2, 'Titus': 2, 'Gamma Emerald': 1, 'RCEnigma': 2, 'furtiveglance': 1, 'Bellaphant': 1, 'yessiree': 3, 'usesPython': 1, 'Bingle': 1, 'Aristeia': 1}

My slot voted for confirmed town 3 times, confirmed scum 4 times. There are 10 total votes and 3 unvotes. You, by comparison, have voted 15 times with 2 unvotes. 2 confscum votes, 5 conftown votes.

And all of that is completely half assed and meaningless without an accompanying analysis of when you or the collective I voted, why, and the actual impact on the thread. VCA is a shit tool in the hands of most players not because they're not looking at the context of the votes, just the raw numbers of the votes.

Macro tools are almost always poor at interpreting small data sets without expert analysis. Just ask literally any economist.

[Bingle]

V OTECOUNT 5.1
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
yessiree (3)	Bingle, Doctor Drew, Theta Alpine
Bellaphant (1)	davesaz
Theta Alpine (1)	Firebringer
NOT VOTING: Bellaphant, Enchant, yessiree, usesPython
With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to flip! Deadline: (expired on 2024-02-06 05:47:54)
Notes:

[Bingle]

Updated.

[Bingle]

I don't see any votes on Drew. How can it be a 1v1?

Drew incorrectly reading me can only mean one thing

everybody vote Drew so i can hammer this fool

Why do u keep flip flopping on me

The only people I have had solid town reads on(that are alive), are python and Fire

not asking why u dont hard tr me

im asking what specifically you're seeing from me that making ur evaluations fluctuating

Do we think both scum are deepwolf types or is there a liability on the team?

yeah you know what, im sticking to my guns on the town core i posted before

would rather not be super paranoid right now when the simple answer could be the correct one

me vs drew could just be TvT and a big waste of time

Do you not see the Drew/yes fight over the last few pages?

[Bingle]

Yes's responses to Drew have all been reasonable, but they also seem to be treating Drew like he's wrong, not like he's being manipulative. I get a vibe of "Gotcha!"

What do u mean by this

I mean I feel like you're trying to point out where Drew is wrong as a means of discrediting the read instead of actually approaching the read to see if it's real. I'm not sure how I can put that any more clearly.

[Bingle]

Yes's responses to Drew have all been reasonable, but they also seem to be treating Drew like he's wrong,

not like he's being manipulative.

this part is bothering me too - 'manipulative", why should i treat Drew as being manipulative when he admitted himself he's just sheeping u, who's he manipulating?

I feel like you're being deliberately obtuse here.

[Bingle]

im saying you aged like a fine wine

Locked in a basement?

[Bingle]

hi nice to meet yall, im so stoked to play this cop 9er right now

Actually, a random VT becoming cop at 9 alive would be a great way to improve this setup.

[Bingle]

Wait what

Why is Naerys on yessiree

In fact, why is Naerys the first one on yessiree

In fact, why has Naerys only voted on page 8 as a meme and never changed her vote since then

@Naerys please answer this

Bcz yessiree was my suspect? I didnt really like ( i still dont) the way yessiree was playing so i remained there. Now i moved to Hu Tao bcz she is sus and needs to feel some pressure

this should clear me

This is like 0% clearing.

[Bingle]

some sort of fallback for if the cop is the first elim/nightkill would be good in this setup yeah
it is
straight mountainous right now and i am not sure how well we are doing solve wise
and we are doing very badly in town engagement with the game so

on a better note
happy birthday drew

Bruh

Just no-lim twice at start of game, without talking, then hypoclaim.

Of course i am not gonna count winrates in this case.

That’s a decent option for ‘breaking’ this game to not be scum sided, fwiw, but relying on 3 night phases blind to balance a setup is poor game design because there are literally 2 people who just don’t get to play and if scum hits cop you might as well call the game right there.

[Bingle]

Wait what

Why is Naerys on yessiree

In fact, why is Naerys the first one on yessiree

In fact, why has Naerys only voted on page 8 as a meme and never changed her vote since then

@Naerys please answer this

Bcz yessiree was my suspect? I didnt really like ( i still dont) the way yessiree was playing so i remained there. Now i moved to Hu Tao bcz she is sus and needs to feel some pressure

this should clear me

This is like 0% clearing.

Disagree

You are entitled to have wrong opinions.

[Bingle]

UNVOTE:

fb what's the dave towncase

the timing is muy bad-o

Huh? I kinda thought casting shade on me and then voting someone I think is probtown while I'm getting this much "Bingle neverscum" thread energy is an unlikely course of action for scum.

Not fire, but this.

[Bingle]

That feels like a ridiculous assertion when I’m voting the leading wagon, tbh.

Do you have a town case on yes?

[Bingle]

Fair, but I’m not really inclined to bail on the wagon I’m pretty sure is on scum to vote someone I’m townreading, even if the townread is admittedly thin.

[Bingle]

Why Titus?

Me, Gamma, Python, Meuh are town. Dr Drew, Ari, Enchant and furtive are probably town.

Nobody wants to vote yess
Nobody wants to RC

Titus had a scummy post and also isn't posting a lot.

Sounds like enough reasons to vote Titus for me.

Thats quite a lot of solid reads.How are you this confident

indirect discrediting DE's Titus vote

this means DE's townreads are more or less on point

Why are you reaching for “that means DE’s reads are on point” here? First of all, discrediting a vote on a scum buddy is a reward in itself. Second poking at reasons to suspect town is a goal for scum. Third, we KNOW that gamma, furtive, Ari, and Meuh are all town, so your conclusion seems like it’s useless anyway. What even is the point here.

[Bingle]

Wait what

Why is Naerys on yessiree

In fact, why is Naerys the first one on yessiree

In fact, why has Naerys only voted on page 8 as a meme and never changed her vote since then

@Naerys please answer this

Bcz yessiree was my suspect? I didnt really like ( i still dont) the way yessiree was playing so i remained there. Now i moved to Hu Tao bcz she is sus and needs to feel some pressure

this should clear me

This is like 0% clearing.

Disagree

You are entitled to have wrong opinions.

Probably a little subtle, but this is an invitation to explain yourself

[Bingle]

I am bored.

I just sell my vote to Bingle.


That obviously won't backfire.

This is the best scum bingle case I heard all game

Yeah, that's a pretty solid scum bingle case, tbh. I'm not really sure how to handle being this townread when I'm actually town.

[Bingle]

Evil. Definitely Evil.

[Bingle]

Speaking of, are we still on to invade France next week?

[Bingle]

Spoiler: naerys' entire voting history d1 + d2

VOTE: Furtive
Hello folks

More votes on yessiree please

VOTE: yessiree
As you command, your grace!

i haven't found a single scum case this game to be compelling to be fair

This kind of post feels scummy, i have seen scum using similiar phrases like
"i have too many TR" or "i dont have any SR"

Sus on FB

Whose your scumreads outside of me then

yessiree and Hu or python

Scumcase me then

What are your reads? What are u doing except saying something witty and disappearing?You are not doing anything, not solving, not helping to move game forward.
Sorry but you need to go.
VOTE: Hu Tao

VOTE: Titus
Someone hmmer,thx

You're next if I don't see a vote.

VOTE: davesaz

Defending DE as town this game wasn’t on my bingo card but VOTE: Titus

I buy that he’s just town here.

Hmm... yea RCE doesnt really look good here. It feels like he just needed an excuse to buss partner.
VOTE: RCE

Okay, for today there are main three suspects: yessiree, myself, davesaz
As for myself, i am town. Whenever you feel some concer about me, feel free to throw it at me. I will answer them as best as i can, even if i sometimes yell my frustration out.

yessiree

- Well he is hard to read for me, played only one game with him, where he was alien. And i have to admit that i basically spent whole game following Flavor without paying much attention, so its quite hard for me to compare yessiree in that game with him here. I will be frank, i dont like his levity. Is he always like this? That faked hammer is giving me bad vibes.
@yessiree Who are your solid town reads and whom do you SR?

davesaz

- I am getting town vibes from dave. He is sorting people and their actions. I personally like his inputs, he is observant and calm. I dont see any manipulations or hidden agenda going on there. I need to look at why FB is voting him, beceause i dont see this dave to be scummy at all.
Dave, who is the most towny person for you?

Out of these 2, yessiree looks worse.

Lim:yessiree,RCE
Keep here: davesaz

VOTE: yessiree
I kinda want this day to end, tbh

on day 1 she voted furt, me, hutao, and Titus. Furt's vote was kinda an irrelevant rvs vote. Parked on me the longest with the premise of RVS, but turned it into a real SR and stayed on during the Titus counter wagon phase. Later on, went after Hu Tao who was being pressured from multiple people at the time. Finally relented and settled on Titus when her lim became inevitable

on day 2 she voted dave, RCE, and me again. The dave vote was short-lived and it wasn't really backed up with anything substantial. Hopped on a more popular wagon on RCE right after the dave vote. Dropped a TR on dave later on with a seemingly opaque progression afaik, preferring to vote me out of the bunch.

strictly looking at her voting behvaior, i see a clear conservative mindset of only going after easy/safe targets on town, while preferring to protect scum buddies as much as she could. this is why i think i should be practically cleared at this point - parking on me when my wagon was competing with Titus, switching target on Hu when she got heat were all patterns that adhere to this paradigm

an interesting observation could be made about dave tho - you could look at it in 2 ways. she approached him with a townread to get on his good side when there was a 3-way competing wagons between dave/naerys/yess, which would point to town!dave

on the other hand, according to her paradigm of protecting buddies, voting dave as a joke then quickly retracting it with a clear townread could be interpreted as protecting dave as a buddy and directing the pressure onto me. this would point to scum!dave and town!yess, but again this is all me towncasing myself so take it with a grain of salt, but worth a consideration if dave was ever in lilo

Alright.

I can live with a theta lim, and I kinda grok the tow case here.

VOTE: theta

[Bingle]

Specifically, yes trying his best to actually give working theories for late game even while trying to duck the lim strikes me as town who thinks I’m not actually going to reconsider. I will be around later to hammer if necessary, but I’ll be limited availability for about 12 hours.

[Bingle]

bad at scum though no
this is my first loss after a five game scum win streak

i think ur bad at scum no matter how many wins u have on ur belt tbh

Jeez, Fire is going all scorched Earth in this post game.

Also, VOTE: Yess

Still thinks this flips scum

VOTE: yes

I think it’s really just bussing that he was on the same number of scum elims as scum aligned players existed in the game.

[Bingle]

Damn, dunnstrall is so scary he gets killed over cop clears in games he’s not even in.