Kemusan - Game Over

[Bell]

I think it’s general rule of thumb for people to associate desperation with vulnerability and undesirability.

Pretty much the desperate are going to work hard to not look desperate.

Then you have players like enchant that likely wouldn’t be desperate no matter what.

In a scum PT there is a lot of panicking about that sort of thing, but they usually hide it decently in thread.

But I dunno, you could be right.

[skitter30]

I very much disagree with that, there'll usually be some sort of indication in thread as well imo

[fferyllt]

STD you proposed to Skitter despite me voicing reservations about her alignment, so it doesn't really seem like my opinions matter much.

actually, i'll call

here's your chance to make me look like a real dummy

show me where you voiced these reservations

Here are some:

Because if you're town he isn't bussing you, and part of the present scumread is that his early interactions with you felt svs

And if ur town that isnt a thing so that reason for scumreading him isnt really there anymore

(I'm not sure what answer ur looking for from.this question)

There's a lot of scumreading swirling around me. I'm trying to sift out the genuine from the opportunistic, and think about what a weak scum team would be doing about now, too.

Firebringer's read feels genuine to me, however wrong. I'm not sure about yours.

I think it comes down to what kind of scum team we have here.

Ok, why are you unsure mine is genuine?
And what does the last sentance mean?

I have to look like a very juicy "miselim" to right now. You came into the game and went straight to the flaming dumpster file.

It could be a genuine read, but I'm not sure.

ffery do you have any comment on 1006

while i don't really like the approach, hst is town for that question

Spiffeh asked you the question you're answering in 1006. What HST question are you asking about?

As for your answer, I mostly ignored it for now because I don't want to polarize my read of you any more than it's polarized already. my thoughts are that you are trying to bury me when I'm already six feet under. Or you have no idea how to read me in this kind of situation and you have extended not one iota of wait and see.

Do you want a point by point? Because the answer just boils down to none of that is scummy because town-me wrote those posts.

I don't want to spend my time defending myself to the detriment of doing other things that I hope help town going forward.

Despite my paranoia reads list (which you don't get to see atm), I like some recent Skitter posts.

[Enchant]

what if i danced with enchant

Who you ask

Everyone

Can and probably will backfire.

[Save The Dragons]

if anyone wants me to refute that i will but that's hardly a damning revelation against my point (esp with the 4th quote coming after the pairing).

and even if it was, you missed my questions, who's to say i didn't miss your posts on skitter? obviously they didn't leave a strong impression on me because i couldn't find them, so why would i think your opinion any less, especially since i kept asking for it?

no.

i don't buy it.

[Bell]

I very much disagree with that, there'll usually be some sort of indication in thread as well imo

Mmm. So you think all of the remaining gents are town?

[HolySpiritTurtle]

It is interesting that RCE hasn’t asked to pair yet.

[skitter30]

Can't say for sure but wouldnt be surprised

This sort of read will also be more accurate in ~three days from now when there's more pressure to pair up before deadline

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Oh we still have 4 days

I feel like it’s been forever

[skitter30]

Ikr

[HolySpiritTurtle]

But since you’re here
How ya feeling about Lavas

[skitter30]

Nulltown

[Spiffeh]

For me the spiffeh thing has less to do with how i think he'd behave as scum, and more to do with some of his recent posting, namely:

- kinda don't understand his gypyx trajectory, or how he became that confident in town-her
- cabd declaring them a high confidence tvt pair made me go ... huh?
- ffery townread almost feels white-knight-y
-

Gypyx's carefree posting here contradicts how I expect her to behave as scum in this playerlist based entirely on my one time playing with her as her scumbuddy in Tenet. Yes I recognize it's a very low sample size, but in Tenet my recollection is that she was scared to even post as scum and needed someone from our team (Cabd, LLD, etc.) to review and edit her posts. Her initial posts in this game struck me as town because they seemed genuine and worry-free, which isn't something I've seen from her before.

I'd also expect her to try to get on Cabd's good side ASAP, not scum read him from jump (unless she and Cabd were scum together, I guess) and risk drawing Cabd's focus immediately, someone who has had an intimate look at her scum game previously.

I have a couple of other comments regarding Gypyx, but I'm not looking to reveal these at this point.

As for ffery, she's just hit all the notes I expect her to hit as town. I feel we've shared a lot of similar reads/noticed the same things and given she is someone I work well with, that was encouraging to me. I don't think she has much reason to begin vocally suspecting me as scum when I am one of the few actively town reading her.

[SirCakez]

All the mentions of tenet this game make me happy

[Firebringer]

When we getting another cakez game!!!!

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Mmm
I think that's kinda what I'm leaning towards too, but more towards null than town.
Stated lot of things but haven't really delved into any of them.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

Was anyone not townreading Spiffeh or something

[HolySpiritTurtle]

When we getting another cakez game!!!!

I'm technically not allowed to mention this but Cakez did say there was going to be a game in a month or two.

[Spiffeh]

Kinda bummed that Cabd keeps touting this hero-solve before intermission but has yet to really weigh in on who should be left behind this phase when I'd think that would something he'd want some input in and would lay a good foundation for said hero-solve?

Unless I missed a post from him or something

Do u think cabd should be townreading you and gypyx so strongly?

Nope, not to the level of calling us both locktown and calling for us to last until endgame so early.

However, I can see town!Cabd strongly townreading both myself and Gypyx INITIALLY based on what we have presented to the thread so far. Gypyx specifically is like night and day from her scum game in Tenet, where scum buddies Cabd and LLD and sometimes the rest of us had to coach her through many of her posts to avoid getting her eliminated and clearing half of the game (lol Tenet game mechanics).

But that was over two years ago and I think Cabd should be able to recognize that people can improve meta changes.

Ok so:
* given that cabd is townreading her so strongly, what does that say to you abt his alignment
* why are *you* townreading her ao strongly

Cabd is always overdramatic and I feel his declaration that our pair should be locktown for the rest of the game is NAI.

I also think you are overestimating how strongly I'm townreading Gypyx. I have indeed provided my reasons for town reading her overall, but the fact that she's been AWOL ever since I stated my intention to dance with her is not lost on me. That's what our neighborhood is for.

[fferyllt]

if anyone wants me to refute that i will but that's hardly a damning revelation against my point (esp with the 4th quote coming after the pairing).

and even if it was, you missed my questions, who's to say i didn't miss your posts on skitter? obviously they didn't leave a strong impression on me because i couldn't find them, so why would i think your opinion any less, especially since i kept asking for it?

no.

i don't buy it.

Don't buy what? The posts are there. And you pointed out I missed something addressed to me and I went back and addressed it.

You have your read of me. It doesn't matter in this phase. What are you trying to accomplish?

[Save The Dragons]

do you always talk around people

[skitter30]

Kinda bummed that Cabd keeps touting this hero-solve before intermission but has yet to really weigh in on who should be left behind this phase when I'd think that would something he'd want some input in and would lay a good foundation for said hero-solve?

Unless I missed a post from him or something

Do u think cabd should be townreading you and gypyx so strongly?

Nope, not to the level of calling us both locktown and calling for us to last until endgame so early.

However, I can see town!Cabd strongly townreading both myself and Gypyx INITIALLY based on what we have presented to the thread so far. Gypyx specifically is like night and day from her scum game in Tenet, where scum buddies Cabd and LLD and sometimes the rest of us had to coach her through many of her posts to avoid getting her eliminated and clearing half of the game (lol Tenet game mechanics).

But that was over two years ago and I think Cabd should be able to recognize that people can improve meta changes.

Ok so:
* given that cabd is townreading her so strongly, what does that say to you abt his alignment
* why are *you* townreading her ao strongly

Cabd is always overdramatic and I feel his declaration that our pair should be locktown for the rest of the game is NAI.

I also think you are overestimating how strongly I'm townreading Gypyx. I have indeed provided my reasons for town reading her overall, but the fact that she's been AWOL ever since I stated my intention to dance with her is not lost on me. That's what our neighborhood is for.

Fair enuf

[Spiffeh]

Was anyone not townreading Spiffeh or something

This reminds me. Can people explain why they are town reading HST?

While the quoted post truly sets her apart as a prestigious mafia player, I am not yet seeing why she's so universally townread.

[SirCakez]

When we getting another cakez game!!!!

soon.tm
I'm serious I'm working on it!!

[fferyllt]

do you always talk around people

I'm not talking around you. But, I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish IN THIS PHASE. I even asked you if you need more transparency from me IN THIS PHASE and you didn't say yes or no unless I missed it.

There ARE reads in my iso. If there's something specific you want to know more about then ask me.