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Oatsmaster HeGoonHe
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This doesn’t make any sense to me.In post 4022, Grackaroni wrote:
To me that doesn't count as initiating a push.In post 4020, Oatsmaster wrote:
This was your original post going off of what dann was saying, but now you are saying that’s not what you mean?In post 3974, Grackaroni wrote:
I think this is a quality read.In post 3900, Dannflor wrote: I think one thing that bothers me about oatsmaster's play is that he's spent a lot of time piggybacking off other people's pushes
I feel like he's spent a lot of time kinda adding on or backing up cases made by you and DP, but I can't remember a single push oatsmaster has made that's been entirely his own or at least truly started by himself, and that kinda sends off alarm bells because it doesn't seem like any of you TL guys have issues pushing things independently
so I'm worried he's scum hiding behind the forces of you / DP doin the dirty work for him
I'd feel a lot better about him if you could point to some independent pushes he's made probably
When Oats responded to this post he said that Dann forgot about Roden, but the Roden exchange started with Oats just calling people bad for relying on rvs and then Roden started pushing Oats as a scum read.
(Coincidentally I've also had success catching scum for entering in a game by repeatedly shitting on people's reasoning behind their reads without contributing any reads of their own.)
You can say that you initiated a push on me now, but it's entirely reactive to me putting you under pressure. That's the same as you and Roden.
The Dunnstral push I will give you some credit for. You should have answered that to Dann.
Initiating a push means putting out original reads and ideas that leads other other people looking and either agreeing or disagreeing with you. It has nothing to do with the initial reason why you did it.
Like how is what you are describing a scum tell?
You do notice that I don’t scumread roden initially even though he scumreads me pretty much immediately.-
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You just had me as scum, what changed?In post 4001, Oatsmaster wrote:
Gob grack Luca mafia,In post 3992, Luca Blight wrote: Oats, what are your reads in general?
Dp ooo town
Naeyrs town
Ninja I’ve put in a spot in my head where I want to see her post now to make a determination.
Hu Tao town
Vivax I’m struggling with, I haven’t put much thought into his slot because I’ve been distracted by other reads/people but I’d say he’s town
Dann is another one where I had some issues with his posting in the first day especially with the ninja -> dp flip but like I said about dp early on, I think he’ll get resolved before mylo/lylo so I’m not gonna worry about him till then.-
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Glad you asked tooIn post 4004, Luca Blight wrote: Since when did you townread Hu Tao?-
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Oatsmaster HeGoonHe
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Also grack, can you explain why you said earlier that you didn’t want to spend more than a couple hours an evening on this game, but now you seem raring to go? To yeet someone with plenty of time left in the day? To spend more than a couple hours an evening to push a yeet through?-
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Since I wrote my reads out, Im thinking that it’s fairly unreasonable to do a gambit like that without a plan as mafia and she definitely didn’t have a planIn post 4027, Hu Tao wrote:
You just had me as scum, what changed?In post 4001, Oatsmaster wrote:
Gob grack Luca mafia,In post 3992, Luca Blight wrote: Oats, what are your reads in general?
Dp ooo town
Naeyrs town
Ninja I’ve put in a spot in my head where I want to see her post now to make a determination.
Hu Tao town
Vivax I’m struggling with, I haven’t put much thought into his slot because I’ve been distracted by other reads/people but I’d say he’s town
Dann is another one where I had some issues with his posting in the first day especially with the ninja -> dp flip but like I said about dp early on, I think he’ll get resolved before mylo/lylo so I’m not gonna worry about him till then.
Also, I was thinking about your playstyle and how it’s not necessarily what I like but that doesn’t mean it’s scummy.-
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I don't lol. I'm getting tired of having to show up every single night for 2-3 hours and want to see a flip.In post 4029, Oatsmaster wrote: Also grack, can you explain why you said earlier that you didn’t want to spend more than a couple hours an evening on this game, but now you seem raring to go? To yeet someone with plenty of time left in the day? To spend more than a couple hours an evening to push a yeet through?
These days are super long and I didn't anticipate that i'd be on here every day for 1-2 months.-
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Oatsmaster HeGoonHe
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Can you go back to your gob+me equity post and tell me how that changes now that you think gob is town?-
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I still think that your post was approaching Gob from a strange angle and I still think the language you used at the end of the post was unnatural/forced.In post 4032, Oatsmaster wrote: Can you go back to your gob+me equity post and tell me how that changes now that you think gob is town?
It's a big part of why I think you're scum.-
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Oats if you get eliminated now and flip scum you're going to get me shot.
It's really going to bolster my reputation.-
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Oatsmaster HeGoonHe
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Explain how this is scummy assuming gob is town. Unnatural isn’t cutting it.This post approaches Gob from a weird angle to me. I don't think Oats was scum reading Gob at the time but his default approach is to consider whether it would make sense for Gob to make his vote as mafia based off the two possibilities for Dan's alignment. This seems like a very unnatural approach to me. The more normal reaction imo is just to try to get more information.-
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DarthPunk He/HimGoonHe/Him
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Grack we aren’t yeeting oats right now"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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My reaction after reading the posts was to pressure vote Gob and try to get more information.In post 4035, Oatsmaster wrote:
Explain how this is scummy assuming gob is town. Unnatural isn’t cutting it.This post approaches Gob from a weird angle to me. I don't think Oats was scum reading Gob at the time but his default approach is to consider whether it would make sense for Gob to make his vote as mafia based off the two possibilities for Dan's alignment. This seems like a very unnatural approach to me. The more normal reaction imo is just to try to get more information.
Your reaction was to consider his posts from the perspective of Dann being mafia and Dann being town and look into the implications of both cases.
Then after you saw my vote trying to get him to explain his vote you laughed at me and asked what I was doing.
It doesn't come off as a townie approach to me, and then having what to me looks like awkward/unnatural writing at the end of the post makes it scummy to me.-
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*From the perspective of Gob being mafia with Dann also as mafia and Gob being mafia with Dann as town.-
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Well we certainly aren't doing OutofOrder's Ninja showdown.In post 4036, DarthPunk wrote: Grack we aren’t yeeting oats right now-
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DarthPunk He/HimGoonHe/Him
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I want to see it at least, you know that OOO can get off a strong read if there is a reason too, and I think it will provide a lot of info.In post 4039, Grackaroni wrote:
Well we certainly aren't doing OutofOrder's Ninja showdown.In post 4036, DarthPunk wrote: Grack we aren’t yeeting oats right now
Do you not even want to see what OOO and ninja think of the gob claim?"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Oatsmaster HeGoonHe
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I already explained why I said “come on now grack”.In post 4037, Grackaroni wrote:
My reaction after reading the posts was to pressure vote Gob and try to get more information.In post 4035, Oatsmaster wrote:
Explain how this is scummy assuming gob is town. Unnatural isn’t cutting it.This post approaches Gob from a weird angle to me. I don't think Oats was scum reading Gob at the time but his default approach is to consider whether it would make sense for Gob to make his vote as mafia based off the two possibilities for Dan's alignment. This seems like a very unnatural approach to me. The more normal reaction imo is just to try to get more information.
Your reaction was to consider his posts from the perspective of Dann being mafia and Dann being town and look into the implications of both cases.
Then after you saw my vote trying to get him to explain his vote you laughed at me and asked what I was doing.
It doesn't come off as a townie approach to me, and then having what to me looks like awkward/unnatural writing at the end of the post makes it scummy to me.
You described the differences in our approach to that situation but you never make the connection as to how that’s scummy. Townies approach situations differently all the time.-
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DarthPunk He/HimGoonHe/Him
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I have changed my mind about the long days being pro town btw, I think it makes it hard for townies to stay engaged and keeps the discussions going around and around in circles."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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So i understand wanting to see a flip, but I think its still wrong right now before OOO can finish working out the game as there is a good chance he just gets NK after we yeet oats, and I think oats is town, so all in all that would be a pretty bad outcome."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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What about OOO's case is about playstyle?In post 3941, Hu Tao wrote:
I think it's just playstyle clash.In post 3938, DarthPunk wrote:
What are your thoughts about your top town read scum reading your other top town read.In post 3935, Hu Tao wrote: Actually, looking it over it has changed a bit since then
Top town
SuperfluousNinja, outoforder
Townish
Dannflor
Mid
Grackaroni, Vivax, Luca Blight,
Leaning
DarthPunk, Naerys
Scum
Oatsmaster, Gob
Vivax I think becomes way scummier if oats flips scum. But independently he isn't as scummy.
I still also think there is something in the dann/gob/vivax/oat dynamics. Wondering if the team can be gob/vivax/oat"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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This is a good point actually.In post 4006, Oatsmaster wrote:
Since I wrote my reads out, Im thinking that it’s fairly unreasonable to do a gambit like that without a plan as mafia and she definitely didn’t have a planIn post 4004, Luca Blight wrote: Since when did you townread Hu Tao?"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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Of the couple games I checked, there are a lotta scum wins lol.In post 4042, DarthPunk wrote: I have changed my mind about the long days being pro town btw, I think it makes it hard for townies to stay engaged and keeps the discussions going around and around in circles.
Not really sure if it’s player base or format related lol-
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why would mafia!oats be inconsistent with HT now when he is facing pressure just before his death?In post 4011, Luca Blight wrote:In post 4006, Oatsmaster wrote:
Since I wrote my reads out, Im thinking that it’s fairly unreasonable to do a gambit like that without a plan as mafia and she definitely didn’t have a planIn post 4004, Luca Blight wrote: Since when did you townread Hu Tao?
You seem to have been scumreading Hu Tao for most of this day since her reaction test, so it seems odd that all of a sudden as you're writing out your reads list you become confident she is town."If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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You should just start dumping reads if you haven't already, I am not sure I can save you here.In post 4046, Oatsmaster wrote:
Of the couple games I checked, there are a lotta scum wins lol.In post 4042, DarthPunk wrote: I have changed my mind about the long days being pro town btw, I think it makes it hard for townies to stay engaged and keeps the discussions going around and around in circles.
Not really sure if it’s player base or format related lol"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."-
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That last one is where I’m at in a very general sense. I don’t have time tonight to get more detailed but I’ll try tomorrow, I think ninja probably hammers me nglIn post 4048, DarthPunk wrote:
You should just start dumping reads if you haven't already, I am not sure I can save you here.In post 4046, Oatsmaster wrote:
Of the couple games I checked, there are a lotta scum wins lol.In post 4042, DarthPunk wrote: I have changed my mind about the long days being pro town btw, I think it makes it hard for townies to stay engaged and keeps the discussions going around and around in circles.
Not really sure if it’s player base or format related lol
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