A 50/50 scum for me is someone neutral, neither scum nor town. Do I take it right that you have abandoned your case that she is scum?In post 331, gob wrote:like 50/50In post 330, Black wrote: How confident are you that I'm scum?
I am more so just removing you to avoid the headache.
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Cakez, why do you think Gob is town, not scum, and is worth following?In post 154, Snow2697 wrote:
Why do you think Gob is town, not scum?In post 149, SirCakez wrote:
gob is that good, I had to sheep himIn post 115, Hu Tao wrote:
Just that he says he's sheeping gob, but gobs vote really was just based off past experiences not this gameIn post 113, shaddowez wrote:
What do you find weird about the cakes vote? Do you still think that in context of their interactions?In post 105, Hu Tao wrote: I think cakes vote seemed weird though. And nurses post seemed forced that I quoted. I'm fine with either of them being the elimination so far-
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A couple of thoughts. Sorry for this long post. First, description of moves as I see then.
1 - Black wrote about Gob:
Post Post #199 (ISO) » Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:37 pm
If he's scum then I think one of NotAScum/T3 is also scum helping with the push
2 - STD revoked his vote vs Gob, so Gob had only 1 vote then.
Post Post #202 (ISO) » Mon Feb 19, 2024 1:41 am
VOTE: no elimination
3 - SmileyDude1 and Naerys criticized T3.
4 - Black voted vs T3 with no additional reasons.
Post Post #222 (ISO) » Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:39 pm
VOTE: T3
5 - after some exchange Black switched vote to Gob
Post Post #236 (ISO) » Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:45 pm
Actually yeah I don't think gob says this if he's town. No shot
Both scum wins I got against gob recently he claimed his teammates threw the game. He didn't give me or the other scum any credit at all. And now suddenly he's trying to act like he thinks I'm some scary scum player that needs to go immediately
VOTE: gob
6 - then Black asked STD to join her vs Gob, e.g.
Post Post #241 (ISO) » Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:02 pm
Help me fade gob
7 - STD returned his vote vs Gob, Gob had 3 votes
Post Post #263 (ISO) » Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:46 pm
VOTE: gob
8 - Naerys unvoted Gob
Post Post #266 (ISO) » Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:48 pm
UNVOTE:
9 - Aristeia wrote to Black that "if you're mafia your scumteam would be like one of t3/notascum[leaning towards NAS] and maybe hu tao?" and then "I really doubt STD/Black are S/S from their interactions"
10 - STD unvoted Gob
Post Post #283 (ISO) » Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:04 pm
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VOTE: no lim
11 - Black asked Aristeia "Why didn't you help me push either of them when I voted for them"
So:
- I don't understand why Black did not criticize Cakez in 1.
- I didn't quite like her vote vs T3 in 3. She called T3 a possible scum assuming Gob is scum. But she goes after T3, not Gob. I read it as an attempt to build a train vs T3. By then Gob had only 1 vote (Naerys) and SmileyDude1 with Naerys already criticized T3. Would be reasonable to assume that a train vs Gob would not succeed and T3 is a more promising target.
- Not sure I understand her switch to Gob in 5. No further votes vs T3, thus let's return to Gob?
- She then pressed for votes vs Gob. After reaching 3 votes, Gob's train collapsed.
- But her phrase in 11 suggests that she was ready to push NotAScum as well. Again ignoring Cakez.
- If Black is town, her moves can be explained. E.g. she did not quite care whom to target from her opponents, since she felt unsafe herself. But I cannot explain her silence on Cakez. Especially when Cakez switched votes and did not answer questions on "why Black is scum" and "why Gob is town and worth following".
- If Black is scum, Cakez could be her fellow scum. Or a town whom she wished to bring on her side.
- I would not exclude completely that Black and Cakez are both scums. For instance, after Black and Gob had 4/3 votes, Gob wrote a post which could be read as an attempt to somewhat ease the tension.
Post #265 (ISO) » Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:48 pm
i know youre good and i respect you and your play. I dont really disrepect anyones play tbh. Even though i think im the best ofc.
- Another thing is why train vs Gob has collapsed so quickly.
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noIn post 375, Snow2697 wrote:
A 50/50 scum for me is someone neutral, neither scum nor town. Do I take it right that you have abandoned your case that she is scum?In post 331, gob wrote:
like 50/50In post 330, Black wrote: How confident are you that I'm scum?
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We're voting you because you're probably lurky scumIn post 370, NotAScum wrote: You guys just randomly voting to see their reactions? It really seems like it.-
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I think it's wrong of you to feel this way. Concrete conclusions are for people that are confident in their read. It's not scummy to lack convictionIn post 369, T3 wrote:
I’m not totally sure about that. I feel like you’d have simply come to a more concrete conclusion and stayed there but Im not sure.In post 191, Black wrote:
I'm showing my thought process. That's not scummyIn post 189, T3 wrote: Anyways, back to Mafia:In post 50, Black wrote: I think I lean town on gob because it would make sense for him to be paranoid about me. He could be scum that is using that as a way to push me but I find this less likely
It's a lot of words with no real or clear conclusion, it feels like posting for the sake of postingIn post 71, Black wrote: I suppose gob could be scum
He started Open 897 in a similiar way, pushing me and then working backwards to justify the vote. I think there's a possibility that gob likes to push me when he's scum because he views me as a threat. The only problem is I think he would view me as a threat if he were town too so it's really not definitive evidence
The policy lim stuff is scummy but it's hard to read gob with that because I think he does scummy stuff a lot when he's town-
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European turtle dove - Streptopelia turtur
The european turtle dove is largely brown with a pink tinge. Its plummage is black and caramel brown. This bird lives in forests, steppe biomes and semi-arid areas. It eats an assortment of seeds from various weeds and grains, and is preyed upon by other birds and also snakes. This is a migratory bird; counterintuitively, it can be seen from Svalbard to China to South Africa! Unfortunately, since humans are exploiting the forests in which these birds often live, population size is decreasing. Therefore, this bird is rated as 'VN' or vulnerable by the IUCN. In European Russia, the population size of this dove dropped over 90% since 1980! Doves are traditionally supposed to represent peace, but I don't think this bird looks like the traditional depiction of a dove at all. Maybe that means it's not peaceful?
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I'm fine with voting NotAScum. Kinda just want to do something, this game feels dead-
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I felt like the way Cakez declared that he was openly sheeping gob seemed unpartnered. I considered maybe Cakez being scum doing it for that exact reason but it seemed like a less likely approach than the way T3 and NAS joined my wagonIn post 377, Snow2697 wrote: - I don't understand why Black did not criticize Cakez in 1.
At the time I was also considering the possibility of gob being town. In this world I felt like T3 could be scum trying to help gob fade me. T3's vote felt forced, like he was trying to justify joining the wagon with bad reasons (163, 189) and I thought pressuring there would be useful. My vote isn't typically static, especially on D1In post 377, Snow2697 wrote: I didn't quite like her vote vs T3 in 3. She called T3 a possible scum assuming Gob is scum. But she goes after T3, not Gob. I read it as an attempt to build a train vs T3. By then Gob had only 1 vote (Naerys) and SmileyDude1 with Naerys already criticized T3. Would be reasonable to assume that a train vs Gob would not succeed and T3 is a more promising target.
I already touched on this in 257. To understand this read you kinda have to understand the dynamic between gob and I and how I think he views me. I could be wrong but I don't think gob likes me very much and he has criticized two of my recent scum wins in a way that felt like he was trying to keep my ego in check. After re-reading those comments I felt like there was no way town!gob would openly praise my scum game like he has done this game. It was a gut feeling but it was fairly strong, so I went back to gobIn post 377, Snow2697 wrote: Not sure I understand her switch to Gob in 5. No further votes vs T3, thus let's return to Gob?-
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This post by Snow is incredibly townie and shows that he's thinking about the game on a deep level. Especially all the partnered stuff-
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really?In post 391, Black wrote: This post by Snow is incredibly townie and shows that he's thinking about the game on a deep level. Especially all the partnered stuff-
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Do you disagree? He's townie afIn post 392, gob wrote:
really?In post 391, Black wrote: This post by Snow is incredibly townie and shows that he's thinking about the game on a deep level. Especially all the partnered stuff-
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just feel like it was obvious and didnt need to be said outloudIn post 394, Black wrote:
Do you disagree? He's townie afIn post 392, gob wrote:
really?In post 391, Black wrote: This post by Snow is incredibly townie and shows that he's thinking about the game on a deep level. Especially all the partnered stuff-
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He's been town since like 3 pages in but I agreeIn post 391, Black wrote: This post by Snow is incredibly townie and shows that he's thinking about the game on a deep level. Especially all the partnered stuff-
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VOTE: Hu Tao
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Hi there!In post 398, NotAScum wrote: VOTE: Hu Tao
Anime avatars are scum tricks. I'll not give into such deceptions.
Rvs was 15 pages ago
Are you just giving up here or
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