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[Luca Blight]

I've had conflicting thoughts on Vivax throughout the game, what of it? Dann had similar thoughts to my own on the matter.

I think both you and Vivax are scummy, for what it's worth, and it's still a real possibility that you could be partners from where I'm standing, but I'm not ruling out you/Naerys.

Then hammer Vivax. It's that simple.

If you think the only alternative is Grack / Naerys, then Vivax's flip would tell you that.

But then I'm in a position where I'm more likely to be mislimmed tomorrow, especially when you're dead. I would rather get it right today, and Grack is my biggest scumread at the moment. I still might be open to doing Vivax, but I haven't got around to iso'ing him yet.

1) Why are you convinced you'd be yeeted, if you think you're correct about Vivax? You have been pretty clear all day about Vivax being scum, so if you voted him out and yeeted him, would that not make you in particular a lot less likely to be yeeted?

2) Who cares, really, about a misyeet after 2 scum are dead, when we can still use a misyeet and be fine?

I'm no longer convinced about Vivax. Darth townreads him and he was right on oats while I was wrong. In truth, I find Vivax perplexing.

If not Vivax, then who? Grack and who? Naerys, I guess?

If we flip Vivax and he's town, voila, you are set. It's Grack and Naerys, gg everyone, let the celebration begin.

The general consensus seems to be that it's me/Grack/Vivax being limmed next in whatever order, so a grack/Naerys team might well be able to win the game.

[SuperfluousNinja]

Well, how could they, when you just caught them?

[Luca Blight]

Well, how could they, when you just caught them?

For example:

Vivax is eliminated (let's imagine he flips town)
Ninja is killed
Luca is eliminated, flips town

Scum occupy half the town. Scum win.

Or:

Vivax is eliminated (let's imagine he flips town)
Ninja is killed
Grack is eliminated, flips scum
Darth is killed, flips town

Then it's me, Naerys, Hu Tao. Both of the other two have expressed a willingness to lim me over each other, so it probably wouldn't end well.

[SuperfluousNinja]

Or:

Vivax is scum, nobody wants to yeet you because you helped kill scum, we use our remaining two yeets on Grack / Naerys and we win.

That is, IMO, the most likely outcome. You said earlier that you "independently scum read Vivax" and I think you even said that he's your strongest town read. I can hardly understand why his only contribution today, where all he does is manufacture more whine than Napa Valley, somehow leads you to question that conclusion. He's done literally nothing to deserve more of a town read today.

I am off to work so you'll have to sort this out on your own, but for real, I would try to remember all of these reasons why you scum-read (past tense) Vivax.

[Luca Blight]

I'm going to bed now, but I will consider Vivax again.

I do think Grack's posts on the last few pages, going through my Iso with a fine tooth comb to find any little bit of dirt he can, to be very scummy.

If his belief in his scumread was genuine then he wouldn't need to go combing through my iso - he would already know why he thinks I'm scum.

[Luca Blight]

And his statement

'I can't see a scum team without Luca in it'

makes no sense based on the reasoning that I've supposedly been playing it safe.

1) That has nothing to do with associations

2) If it was scummy to the extent that I must be scum in this situation then he would have brought it up before now.

3) He was apparently even willing to be hammered before bringing it up. It doesn't seem like a genuine scumread, does it?

[Luca Blight]

And just one final point before I go to bed:

Grack is clearly a very reasonable player, unlike Vivax, who is a wildcard and makes little sense in much of what he says. Grack has made some good, well-considered posts this game, including the point he made against me mid-way through D1. The sudden contrast in what we're seeing is what makes his recent play even more scummy - it's desperation mixed with apathy. He's just quoting whatever from my iso that could be spun in a negative way and there's no analysis or substance behind his points.

This is, in my opinion, scum who has 90% given up and is just throwing a few lazy arguments out there just in case something sticks. I've been scum in this position myself, and know the feeling well. As town you're always more motivated to actually solve the puzzle.

[SuperfluousNinja]

But he did tell you he didn't want to get hung up on discussing you in real-time, and it certainly isn't scummy to go through a player's iso and ask him to answer for things he finds while he knows the player is there to respond to it.

I also don't know why you are bothering to convince me of anything in regards to Grack. Frankly that's your problem, not mine lol. I'm dying tonight and the only yeet I am interested in today is Vivax.

[Vivax]

I love it when the Oats yeeter in charge says I don‘t make sense.

You need to figure out Grack and Naerys if you are town Luca and considering I was the only vote on her so far, safe to assume that town is simply unwilling to do that.

If you don‘t yeet me then scum leaves ninja alive anyway and she can prove how Winja she really is when I flip town, so go ahead.

[Vivax]

The obs is a lot more pleasant than this for sure.

[Vivax]

Did Grack comment on the D1 thing by Hu Tao that Grack said was a death sentence btw ?

[Vivax]

DP said*

[Vivax]

Chances are Hu Tao is scum but we‘re all just focused on Naerys cause she is at least doing something

[SuperfluousNinja]

I love it when the Oats yeeter in charge says I don‘t make sense.

You need to figure out Grack and Naerys if you are town Luca and considering I was the only vote on her so far, safe to assume that town is simply unwilling to do that.

If you don‘t yeet me then scum leaves ninja alive anyway and she can prove how Winja she really is when I flip town, so go ahead.

Would you fucking stop talking as if I am the only town here? I am not the only one on you. It is not about me.

We clearly aren't going to be friends after this is over, but if you really are town, you need to stop fucking whining about me and realize that there's more than one townie on you here. Darth is the only one here who is convinced that you aren't scum, and there sure as shit aren't four scum in this game, so stop acting like this is all on me.

If you want to guide town to a win, the first step is to stop your fucking pity party and do some work instead.

[SuperfluousNinja]

Five scum. Hu Tao, Naerys, Grack, Luca, and myself. We have all found reasons to suspect you. So unless Gypyx set up a 6 scum game, you really fucking need to stop acting like a misyeet on you is all my fault specifically.

[SuperfluousNinja]

Just to be crystal clear, if you do flip town, the person who game-threw is you, Vivax. In response to heat directed your way, all you did was complain about it, grumble about one person in particular, say "bah the game is unwinnable!" and not even try. If that isn't abandoning your win condition, then I don't know what is. Fixating on just one person of the five who suspect you is not how a townie clears themselves. Offhandedly suggesting that a person who suspects you "has issues" sure doesn't help either. You are absolutely, positively, 100% the one who is throwing the game if you really are town.

I prefer the simpler explanation that you just are not town.

[Vivax]

Finished reading through the thread.

My top town are Dannfloor/gob/Hu Tao.

Dannfloor for leading the pushes in thread. I don't feel either of them have been scum-motivated.

The way Gob posts I just don't see coming from scum.

Hu-Tao - I liked post #576 the most, but he just seems very care free while still contributing.

I don't like the way OutofOrder has been posting so far. I think as town he is able to consistently assist the town by narrowing and eliminating people from the lynch pool, while as scum he is able to build up a large post count by getting into arguments that lead nowhere.

I'd probably favor lynching a lurker at this point since there are some people that are giving absolutely nothing, but if not a lurker then I would lynch Ninja/Roden.

Why did Grack put a but in his followup sentence to the Hu-Tao read ?

Seems like he wanted to say something else.

Both mafia also makes sense to me.
DP posted a Grack case, it‘s up to Luca now if town to correctly go down the avenue.

I am not going to reply to anything Ninja says for obvious reasons. I‘d rather be yeeted than get sucked into that type of ‚conversation‘.

[Naerys]

2.5

Luca Blight (3) :

oatsmaster / Vivax / DarthPunk

[Exe-3]

DarthPunk (2) :

Grackaroni / Luca Blight

Gob (2) :

Naerys / outoforder

Oatsmaster (2) :

SuperfluousNinja / Dannflor

SuperfluousNinja (1) :

gob

Not Voting (1):

Hu Tao

With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to secure an execution.

Day Two ends in (expired on 2024-02-18 14:43:52)

Mod Notes

i'm not in a good headspace so flavor is canceled for the remainder of the game

2.6

DarthPunk (4) :

Grackaroni / Luca Blight / Hu Tao / gob

[Exe-2]

Gob (4) :

Naerys / outoforder / DarthPunk / Dannflor

[Exe-2]

Luca Blight (2) :

oatsmaster / Vivax

Oatsmaster (1) :

SuperfluousNinja

Not Voting (0):

With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to secure an execution.

Day Two ends in (expired on 2024-02-18 14:43:52)

Mod Notes

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Looking at these. Can we agree that DP is likely to be town?
Also lets say Vivax is town. That would mean there were 3 scum at DP wagon. Not sure how i feel about that. But i have to admit i dont like how Luca wagon fell apart.
So lets start from a scratch. Ninja and DP are town, do you agree?

[Naerys]

2.14

Oatsmaster (6) :

SuperfluousNinja / Dannflor / Luca Blight / Grackaroni / Naerys / gob

[Execution !]

Gob (2) :

Hu Tao / Darth Punk

SuperfluousNinja (1) :

outoforder

Luca Blight (1) :

Vivax

Not Voting (1):

oatsmaster

With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to secure an execution.

Day Two ends in (expired on 2024-02-18 14:43:52)

Mod Notes

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Unless Hu was trying some hard distancing i think she is also town.

[Naerys]

3.4

gob (5) :

Naerys / Hu Tao / Dannflor / DarthPunk / gob

[Executed !]

Not Voting (4):

Vivax / Grackaroni / Luca Blight / SuperfluousNinja

With 9 Alive, it takes 5 to secure an execution.

Day Three ends in (expired on 2024-02-25 14:18:14)

Mod Notes

ok lol

Vivax-Grack-Luca contains atleast 1 scum.

[Grackaroni]

2.14

Oatsmaster (6) :

SuperfluousNinja / Dannflor / Luca Blight / Grackaroni / Naerys / gob

[Execution !]

Gob (2) :

Hu Tao / Darth Punk

SuperfluousNinja (1) :

outoforder

Luca Blight (1) :

Vivax

Not Voting (1):

oatsmaster

With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to secure an execution.

Day Two ends in (expired on 2024-02-18 14:43:52)

Mod Notes

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Unless Hu was trying some hard distancing i think she is also town.

Do scum never vote each other off on this site?

[Vivax]

Especially if town moved to Oats of their own accord I‘d stay on the failed scum wagon that flips the next day 100% of the time.

Hu Tao isn‘t even doing anything on this day. She cleared herself with the fake cop claim and dropped off since then.

[Naerys]

Do scum never vote each other off on this site?

They do, but would she sit on her buddy wagon for that long?

[Vivax]

Is that hammer? Who all was voting grack?

She's voting vivax so I think it's e-1

Either way I'm fine with grack gone if that was hammer. I'm going to sleep, I'll be back later.

VOTE: vivax

E-1

UNVOTE:

Fine. But I'd rather this not take 8 days. Imo game is solved by voting grack vivax and Luca in any order. But I prefer vivax or grack

She‘s avoiding to have Grack hammered, see ?
Where did she vote Grack if she was fine with both ?

[Vivax]

What's the votes at? I'm okay with vivax or grack. Don't see myself voting elsewhere

So where is the Grack vote?

Grack opportunity. Hu Tao doesn‘t vote.
Vivax opportunity, she votes.

Fact: They aren‘t equal wagons to her