Mini Theme 2330 - A Questionable Almost-Normal Game - Postgame

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Koba

Just to get it out of my system lol

nice try but i claim uncc miller VOTE: usespython

[DkKoba]

no content? guys would you rather be a horse or a dung beetle

waiting on other ppl to show up

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Koba

Just to get it out of my system lol

nice try but i claim uncc miller VOTE: usespython

koba making this joke in a way that lets people laugh it off as a joke but would get a miller to say something feels kinda bad

No I actually claim Miller

[DkKoba]

let's all go scumhunting!

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Nuh uh

any particular reason you dont wanna go scumhunting jackson?

Cuz I’m a wolf and we have a traitor I don’t wanna accidentally kill

yo

[DkKoba]

{DKKoba}
{Doctor Drew}
{Laplacian}
{usesPython}
{ketchup777}
{Hu Tao}

P1.

VOTE: DKKoba
lol

wtf did I do to deserve being on top here
I literally tried to post scummy on purpose to some extent with my 2nd post

[DkKoba]

The slip makes the PC vote more reasonable though

UNVOTE: PC

banana

[DkKoba]

Ok game is boring so far like game wise, I expect some fun content when I come back

[DkKoba]

VOTE: light ganski
Yea I gues

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Koba

Just to get it out of my system lol

nice try but i claim uncc miller VOTE: usespython

koba making this joke in a way that lets people laugh it off as a joke but would get a miller to say something feels kinda bad

No I actually claim Miller

Alianna feeling mean hehe, would be funny if there's no cops

it's supposed to be a troll game so I expected either like 7 millers or just be uncc as a names townie

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Koba

Just to get it out of my system lol

nice try but i claim uncc miller VOTE: usespython

koba making this joke in a way that lets people laugh it off as a joke but would get a miller to say something feels kinda bad

No I actually claim Miller

Alianna feeling mean hehe, would be funny if there's no cops

it's supposed to be a troll game so I expected either like 7 millers or just be uncc as a names townie

can you unacronymicize uncc please? (:

true

I claim not miller. investigate me if you want to find a town!

Uncc= uncounterclaimed

[DkKoba]

I fake claim miller

ooooh spooky

UNVOTE: DkKoba

unfamiliar with how often miller is gambitted. my instincts say it's more likely to be true though, as it takes out a lot of options for scum!koba. Well, I say that, but on second thoughts it is a pretty safeclaim actually. hmmmm. I'll pacify for now

it's actually a traitor soft

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Koba

Just to get it out of my system lol

nice try but i claim uncc miller VOTE: usespython

koba making this joke in a way that lets people laugh it off as a joke but would get a miller to say something feels kinda bad

No I actually claim Miller

Alianna feeling mean hehe, would be funny if there's no cops

it's supposed to be a troll game so I expected either like 7 millers or just be uncc as a names townie

can you unacronymicize uncc please? (:

true

I claim not miller. investigate me if you want to find a town!

Uncc= uncounterclaimed

ah ok i was thinking uncounterclaimable

why did you say it was uncounterclaimed?

because I don't see any other miller claims do you??

[DkKoba]

How’s your first scum game going?

where do I find mafia chat ?

[DkKoba]

let's all go scumhunting!

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Nuh uh

any particular reason you dont wanna go scumhunting jackson?

Cuz I’m a wolf and we have a traitor I don’t wanna accidentally kill

Sus

join me on the jackson train hu tao

I didn't actually think it was sus. I lied

Based

[DkKoba]

why is there no wagon on me

are you all not entertained

[DkKoba]

i demand attention

[DkKoba]

i demand attention

Ngl, was hoping for more engagement around me as well.

But, I did just ask you a question

I missed it, I tend to mainly look at quotes

[DkKoba]

oh er

VOTE: DkKoba

an anagram of bad kok? sus

No I actually claim Miller

Dumb reason and actual reason mean I'm not voting DkKoba until like, day 3. Then we kill them and let

God

Mod sort them out

so true

[DkKoba]

Oh lmao the uncc part was a joke bc I highly expected more miller claims based on my role existing as that was where my mind went first with non normal, didn't think of the "lol random miller " angle

[DkKoba]

i demand attention

granted. do you have any actual thoughts about who might be scum, or town even?

yea ur mafia

[DkKoba]

i just pulled up light ganskis most recent game, looked at their early posts, concluded they were scum, and they indeed were scum. im feeling good about myself tbh

[DkKoba]

viewtopic.php?t=92207 game in question btw

[DkKoba]

ok im ngl just relooked at LG's iso here and maybe im a little silly lol
VOTE: titus

[DkKoba]

ketchup towny

[DkKoba]

i just pulled up light ganskis most recent game, looked at their early posts, concluded they were scum, and they indeed were scum. im feeling good about myself tbh

viewtopic.php?t=92207 game in question btw

Hu was scum in that game as well(and I was town) if anyone wants to compare and contrast.

I will be honest, Light didn't stick out to me as much in real time in that game as much as Hu did, probably is worthy of a second look from me.

ya my impression of her posts reading that game while not informed of her alignment was *fart noises*

[DkKoba]

the team is usespython, titus, and JV wrap it up folks.

[DkKoba]

no

[DkKoba]

cop should just clear me

[DkKoba]

same

[DkKoba]

VOTE: usespython

[DkKoba]

Struggling to see how your reading something this easy to verify as a lie instead of Hu misremembering

It was a very key moment in the game, Lap was adamant in not town reading Hu(speaking of the JOAT game)

Hu seemed to paint a different picture that was different than just 'misrembering'

Why do you think Hu would lie about that then

why not

[DkKoba]

hey hu tao this mf spewed you town lol

[DkKoba]

lol

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Arko

Will let Titus further develop her not remembering me claim. In the meantime, I will mercilessly target the AFK slot.

considering that arko hasn't posted yet

do you suspect anyone else, besides titus?

the top suspects in no particular order: Black, JacksonVirgo, Ranger, Koba, Titus

the unsorted: Arko, Laplacian, Political Clout, Usespython

the top townies: me, Hu Tao, Drew, Light

what makes me a suspect and what makes usespythong unsorted?

[DkKoba]

Fully agree with python on page 15. Not liking koba on this page

yeah usespython latched onto that in a scummy way lol. i was kinda shitposting too hard tho and really tired of no one taking note of me , just trying to unsettle python since it seemed they were going off a script a bit and trying to force them to deviate in a way that made them more obvious

[DkKoba]

like im in their face like just saying the most random nonsense and their reaction is that its somehow normal for me to do that to them and i dont think u really do that unless ur scum who has no idea how to treat me and know im 100% town

[DkKoba]

You're taking liberal shortcuts there to discard the town pov of those 2 points

[DkKoba]

can you tell me why you think usespython is solving more genuinely vs just feigning it

like ngl I get why you think it looks good but it's the lazy conclusion to me lol

[DkKoba]

[gifv][/gifv]

like im in their face like just saying the most random nonsense and their reaction is that its somehow normal for me to do that to them and i dont think u really do that unless ur scum who has no idea how to treat me and know im 100% town

We're not seeing it, 367 is just shitposting and the rest was pretty normal and coherent?

VOTE: usespython

Struggling to see how your reading something this easy to verify as a lie instead of Hu misremembering

It was a very key moment in the game, Lap was adamant in not town reading Hu(speaking of the JOAT game)

Hu seemed to paint a different picture that was different than just 'misrembering'

Why do you think Hu would lie about that then

why not

Why do you think Hu would lie about that then

why not

Because it's trivially contradicted

hey hu tao this mf spewed you town lol

ah the angle is "it never happened!!!!"
No, I literally just straight up made posts on the surface level that should have at minimum pinged you against them and you completely skimmed over them. I'm probably right about the fact this was due to feeling frozen ergo thus response that just denies it lol


I also had paired you with 2 other players earlier and you hadn't blinked an eye.

Now that there's support against me you start interacting with me(shaky but it's there)

maybe did this a bit untactfully for the player list but I think it's clear I was playing to bait so far so shrug

[DkKoba]

the team is usespython, titus, and JV wrap it up folks.

so you were so consumed by hu tao posts you completely missed this? since your whole next page was talking about hu tao.

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Koba

Just to get it out of my system lol

nice try but i claim uncc miller VOTE: usespython

koba making this joke in a way that lets people laugh it off as a joke but would get a miller to say something feels kinda bad

no thats a lie you had literally been one of the few to discredit me shortly after the miller claim

[DkKoba]

lmao gotem

[DkKoba]

usespython has been caught with 0 progression

[DkKoba]

maybe i am a bit (for content) but i still think you're full of shit on ignoring me for the reasons youre trying to present and there's a jagged sort of push there and you felt uncomfortable after getting pushback for that take from others at the time.


if you had that vibe about my slot genuinely - it makes no sense to then completely ignore when i shade you.

[DkKoba]

the team is usespython, titus, and JV wrap it up folks.

so you were so consumed by hu tao posts you completely missed this? since your whole next page was talking about hu tao.

The whole next page was consumed by sorting Drew, Hu Tao was just a proxy to do so

nah you already admitted you saw it and ignored it because it was "shitposting" or whatever you said exactly i already forgot lol, no backtracking

[DkKoba]

the team is usespython, titus, and JV wrap it up folks.

so you were so consumed by hu tao posts you completely missed this? since your whole next page was talking about hu tao.

The whole next page was consumed by sorting Drew, Hu Tao was just a proxy to do so

VOTE: Koba

Just to get it out of my system lol

nice try but i claim uncc miller VOTE: usespython

koba making this joke in a way that lets people laugh it off as a joke but would get a miller to say something feels kinda bad

no thats a lie you had literally been one of the few to discredit me shortly after the miller claim

VOTE: Koba

It's literally a page 1 vibecheck, feels like you're twisting yourself into circles to scumread us

I also had paired you with 2 other players earlier and you hadn't blinked an eye.

When did this happen

oh 314

Yeah we thought you were talking about page 15 in particular instead of the entire game,

we just ignore those types until a spontaneous vibecheck hits us

i know i dont believe that someone who had allegedly a negative slant against us early on completely ignored when thrown into a list of scum

[DkKoba]

you're claiming that me throwing out 3 specific names, calling it the solve, is not some serious post at all, after having reevaluated anther player?


whats hilarious is that the hu tao spew post was actually serious and the question was completely unserious and i had 0 point to it just to see how youd respond

[DkKoba]

any usespython knowers know if what im pushing is like like actually part of their scumgame or just them being them

[DkKoba]

i know i dont believe that someone who had allegedly a negative slant against us early on completely ignored when thrown into a list of scum

idk how to break it to you but a page 1 rvs vibecheck that got cleared up later when you hard claimed miller isn't gonna color our reads for the rest of the game

translation: i stopped because drew started pushing back against me

[DkKoba]

ok nvm i activated meta-cheats and python is super polarized with tone
VOTE: ranger

[DkKoba]

town python be big srs mode and scum python constantly cracks jokes and has trouble being serious

[DkKoba]

lol why are people afraid of directly interacting with anything ive said

[DkKoba]

lol why are people afraid of directly interacting with anything ive said

I think you just need attention and don't like that you're not getting it

):

[DkKoba]

tbh this is potentially me being naive due to not knowing ketchup but i get the vibe that ketchup is like one of the most obviously town players here based on how holistic their posting feels, having no real bias with what they interact with or analyze and such. fits the archaetype of a town leader who is actively pushing the game forward.

so like pushing on ketchup feels like it requires suspension of reality in that it ignores the body of work theyve posted thus far

[DkKoba]

the thing about finding people town is that no one in the history of mafia has randed mafia and only "slipped" in a single specific interaction or way, its a trackable pattern you can point to at multiple points, not just "this person did this 1 thing and that makes them mafia"

yes im subtly implying things about whats going on currently, but also would like to break down pushes against who i consider in most worlds a likely n1 kill and thus a waste of threadspace to push lol

[DkKoba]

If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup

You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.

Either JV is tunneling town or scum. This "jump" so quick is likely panic.

Why would scum!JV be panicking here?

there's been some level of suspicion tossed around for their approach so far from a few people

I wouldn't call it panicking though but rather just logical inconsistency.

do you think what they're saying about ketchup is reasonable? Do you think what I'm saying wrt ketchups overall play makes ketchup town, or what?

[DkKoba]

ok i just had a bit of a revelation. still think ranger is a good vote atm but lol rereading something with town python and town LG in mind after I had changed my mind on those 2 slots was pretty interesting implications for someone elses alignment

[DkKoba]

the thing about finding people town is that no one in the history of mafia has randed mafia and only "slipped" in a single specific interaction or way, its a trackable pattern you can point to at multiple points, not just "this person did this 1 thing and that makes them mafia"

yes im subtly implying things about whats going on currently, but also would like to break down pushes

against who i consider in most worlds a likely n1 kill

and thus a waste of threadspace to push lol

I don't wanna dieeee ):

too bad its for the good of the people (im the people)

[DkKoba]

But this python

wdym

Hu said Lap was town reading her last few games, but Lap(In the JOAT game) targeted Hu because he thought she was scummy

I don't think Lap is scum here

He said I was towny day 1. But he could have been lying. But I also don't think someone would parity cop a scum read

Why wouldn't they parity cop a scum read

if i understand correctly, one parity cops someone they think will die night 1 so it turns into a regular cop after that, or at least has a strong belief if it turns up with "same alignment" it is likely to be both town. so yes, one prefers to target a town first with it.

[DkKoba]

Could he be lying? Maybe. But I've never seen a fake Miller claim so far when it's been that early

i have a special wheel of fakeclaims to make during d1 in normal setups to make sure to add variance to play and add plausibility so who knows...maybe i did fake it. heheh :3 but really i am trueclaiming here, since it is important setup info due to the gimmick. (but it is within my meta to claim negative utility as either scum or town while not having it)

[DkKoba]

If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup

You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.

Either JV is tunneling town or scum. This "jump" so quick is likely panic.

Why would scum!JV be panicking here?

there's been some level of suspicion tossed around for their approach so far from a few people

I wouldn't call it panicking though but rather just logical inconsistency.

do you think what they're saying about ketchup is reasonable? Do you think what I'm saying wrt ketchups overall play makes ketchup town, or what?

I'm barely being pressured lmfao, if you think this is going to break me then you're insulting my skill

i literally said in the same post that i dont think you were panicking while also citing a potential plausibility if it were panicking

im more trying to play Jenga by removing plausibility for arguments that I think that, if scum, would be used to push incorrect conclusions.

I think Ketchup is fairly obviously town IMO and I want to force arguments, that if they are scum, to embody their entire play rather than small specifics.

[DkKoba]

Then do that instead of telling me what to do

maybe make better arguments that arent hyperfocusing small parts of someones play then lol

[DkKoba]

My entire point was that it's NAI because I like to make my scum and town meta overlap

[DkKoba]

gameing?

[DkKoba]

Ok well maybe this is where I drop that I think lap/titus/ranger is my current running solve

[DkKoba]

Ok well maybe this is where I drop that I think lap/titus/ranger is my current running solve

Why did you try to start wagons on Titus and Ranger instead of just joining the Lap wagon?

Cuz I like competing wagons

[DkKoba]

Ok maybe ketchup is town

How so?

He's finally starting to feel like how he felt in our last game. Are you not seeing it?

I am to a degree, but that doesn't mean much on its own. Unless you know how his scum game differs from his town games.

I probably would have made 50 posts instead of 119

But guessing ofc

Do you think the best strategy as scum is to lurk and post less?

im not ketchup- but yes i personally do because out of sight = out of mind

[DkKoba]

reading now. I read some at work. I'm probably going to pick up from where I left off maybe not. I might go all the way to the beginning again.

thank u v cool

[DkKoba]

ok i just had a bit of a revelation. still think ranger is a good vote atm but lol rereading something with town python and town LG in mind after I had changed my mind on those 2 slots was pretty interesting implications for someone elses alignment

give us the tea, don't tease meeeeeeeeee

the tea was that i reevaluated jackson to more towny

[DkKoba]

Ok well maybe this is where I drop that I think lap/titus/ranger is my current running solve

150ish posts before that you said I was town. Want to explain the opinion flip?

yeah i was high asf

[DkKoba]

town python be big srs mode and scum python constantly cracks jokes and has trouble being serious

I think this is wrong or a lie. Unless I am misremembering. let me look through pythons meta after I finish here.

i skimmed 3 recent games and 2 of those were scum games

[DkKoba]

town python be big srs mode and scum python constantly cracks jokes and has trouble being serious

I think this is wrong or a lie. Unless I am misremembering. let me look through pythons meta after I finish here.

i skimmed 3 recent games and 2 of those were scum games

which games? I'll look at 3 different ones see if we come to same conclusion.

idr but there are 2 mafia games in recently completed like very recent lol

[DkKoba]

goodnight chat

[DkKoba]

if this was a vc near eod i would likely consolidate into laplacian rn

[DkKoba]

If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup

You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.

Either JV is tunneling town or scum. This "jump" so quick is likely panic.

I'm starting to think he might actually be tunnelling town

why 'actually'? I thought you already thought I was town

to save u some time imma clarify that you misread bc they were referring to JV

[DkKoba]

If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup

You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.

Either JV is tunneling town or scum. This "jump" so quick is likely panic.

I'm starting to think he might actually be tunnelling town

why 'actually'? I thought you already thought I was town

to save u some time imma clarify that you misread bc they were referring to JV

Really? The post she quoted was definitely referring to JV tunnelling me

im not surewhat u misunderstood. but yeah since JV is the one referred to be tunneling.. theyre like almost certainly referring to JV(and misgendering them oop)

lol

also hi everyone i cant sleep and decided to smoke some (pokemon legends) za

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Koba

Just to get it out of my system lol

nice try but i claim uncc miller VOTE: usespython

koba making this joke in a way that lets people laugh it off as a joke but would get a miller to say something feels kinda bad

why would mafia benefit from knowing who's a miller? if i understand correctly, something like 'miller gunsmith' is possible? or is miller a role not a modifier

This is a setup where

Setup

1. Mafia Goon
   
   
2. Mafia Goon
   
   
3. Mafia Goon
   
   
4. Town Cop
   
   
5. Town Miller
   
   
6. Town Miller
   
   
7. Town Miller
   
   
8. Town Miller
   
   
9. Town Miller
   
   
10. Town Miller
    
    
11. Town Miller
    
    
12. Town Miller
    
    
13. Vanilla Townie

is a realistic possibility that scum have to play around. In that example not claiming miller would be a pretty big scumclaim that scum could easily walk into

VOTE: Koba

Just to get it out of my system lol

nice try but i claim uncc miller VOTE: usespython

koba making this joke in a way that lets people laugh it off as a joke but would get a miller to say something feels kinda bad

no thats a lie you had literally been one of the few to discredit me shortly after the miller claim

VOTE: Koba

It's literally a page 1 vibecheck, feels like you're twisting yourself into circles to scumread us

I think voting the Miller is probably not the play

We see something we vote something

Ok well maybe this is where I drop that I think lap/titus/ranger is my current running solve

Explain?

---

JV/ketchup is a lot of noise

you're right that is a possibility. but it just means my claim is completely NAI and means nothing, I just claimed as it is my go to way to treat randing miller, not that it somehow loops around all the way to being scum indicative.

[DkKoba]

I lost my trial.

Oh no how long are you going to prison for D:

she is a lawyer lol

[DkKoba]

you're right that is a possibility. but it just means my claim is completely NAI and means nothing, I just claimed as it is my go to way to treat randing miller, not that it somehow loops around all the way to being scum indicative.

Have you explained your lap/titus/ranger solve anywhere

not really but it really boils down to that i think the surrounding players are townier

[DkKoba]

If I had a second vote, it would be on Ketchup

You have 2 extra votes, they're called teammates.

Either JV is tunneling town or scum. This "jump" so quick is likely panic.

I'm starting to think he might actually be tunnelling town

why 'actually'? I thought you already thought I was town

to save u some time imma clarify that you misread bc they were referring to JV

Really? The post she quoted was definitely referring to JV tunnelling me

im not surewhat u misunderstood. but yeah since JV is the one referred to be tunneling.. theyre like almost certainly referring to JV(and misgendering them oop)

There’s a difference between

'He might actually be a tunneling town' and 'He might actually be tunnelling town'. The latter, the one used, implies that the object of the tunneling,I, am town

i think this is semantics that you might be owning yourself with lol i just dont get what the important of such a tiny micro part of their ISO is important here.

[DkKoba]

you're right that is a possibility. but it just means my claim is completely NAI and means nothing, I just claimed as it is my go to way to treat randing miller, not that it somehow loops around all the way to being scum indicative.

Have you explained your lap/titus/ranger solve anywhere

not really but it really boils down to that i think the surrounding players are townier

What makes them townier/scummier

meta tbh

im operating mainly on vibez rn

[DkKoba]

I think town would be more likely to get high tbh

Nahhh but like it’s a good point I think. Mafia might get high if they start getting wagoned in the late game but I don’t think scum!koba has the motivation to smoke some joints here

nah lol its actually rand scum for me tbh lol

[DkKoba]

My top two scumreads are the leading wagons. Seems right to me

what makes light ganski scum?

[DkKoba]

It'd be really funny if everyone disappeared over the weekend so that we spend the entire phase active when no one else is on

I work over the weekend so

[DkKoba]

town python be big srs mode and scum python constantly cracks jokes and has trouble being serious

Interestingly, you generally feel the inverse, and this game feels a serious mode from vibes.

I don't have a designated mode on alignment it's entirely dependant on playerlist and setup

[DkKoba]

I'm ngl I feel kinda lost this game rn

[DkKoba]

I've lost my touch

[DkKoba]

When lap flips scum this vote count will be important

Not ganski?

Light is different from her scum game so I think she's town

that's what I'm saying

[DkKoba]

{JacksonVirgo, usesPython}
{Hu Tao}
{ketchup777}
{Black}
{Political Clout, Doctor Drew}
{Laplacian}
{Titus}
{light_ganski}
{DKKoba}

P37

you'd think someone who has misread me embarassingly twice in the past as town would have more care about me being at the bottom again, but then again i think ranger is just scum by POE anyways, and theyre just trying to ignore my towny points intentionally to paint me as a possible scumread. somehow going from top early on to bottom do be wild

[DkKoba]

reads list time

towny:

usesPython: great catch in 813. I can't see scum cross-referencing lists & pages like that.
ketchup: while I don't agree with their reads, they're actively trying to scumhunt and think
drew: good logic, I like how he argued with both usesPython and JV

neutral:

HT: i said they were towny earlier, but that dropped back to neutral after mischaracterizng me in JOAT.
JacksonVirgo: frustation over tunneling chat seems genuine. But I can't tell is frustration is from not wanting to admit tunnel or scum mad that their pushed collapsed. good taste in gifs tho
DkKoba: miller claim, ignore until d3 unless something super scummy happens

scummy:

Ranger: still dont like dem magic lists. Super easy to fake the progression to just coast along with prevailing opinions while looking like you're scumhunting
light_ganski: see 827

Everyone else either has low posts or I'm having trouble reading still.

I for the life of me can't see how any of this is alignment indicative.

UNVOTE:

i hadnt had time to read anything but my own section at which i was ??? that makes no sense to have me bottom 3 and somehow say "yeah this has to be waited to resolve"
jackson being a secondary scumread then is like ?/?

im also pretty sure light ganski is like a scum wanted miskill because yeah i know i personally was hard on light early on but after looking deeper i was able to figure out this was just them as town too?

[DkKoba]

can someone talk to me about ketchup btw

i still like. wanna bin them as town but in the case of the bottom 3 i have is wrong somehow - i have had some weird feelings from some ketchup posts like . not that its bad just that it feels like "scum posting well" if u know what i mean. still dont think theyre the play d1 (im very obstinate about order, i dont like to hero eliminate or what have u, im very midgroundy xD)

but yea.

i kinda feel weird bc i know i dont feel like that motivation to really go hard on anyone esp since i dont wanna like clash with ranger/JV/drew really in a way that makes the game toxic (even tho 2/3 i have held suspicion on I've tried to push it in a more passive way ig)

i also just get this really weird vibe that scum are waiting for there to be a push on me and thats why ive gotten such a cold shoulder overall??? like my brain is having trouble comprehend whats going on here lol

i need someone to help me get into the game better i guess and i hate to admit it but yeah.

i can at least promise that as long as we dont potato and kill a slot like python i can do much better on day 2 if anything lol

[DkKoba]

i dont have good vocal reasoning for a lot of myreads which kinda makes me feel self conscious but i feel like i have a decent grasp on what im seeing if that makes sense lol

[DkKoba]

doing a readslist now i realized that arko hasnt posted for quite a while lmao but i remember them being fairly towny in posting

[DkKoba]

you'd think someone who has misread me embarassingly twice in the past as town would have more care about me being at the bottom again, but then again i think ranger is just scum by POE anyways, and theyre just trying to ignore my towny points intentionally to paint me as a possible scumread. somehow going from top early on to bottom do be wild

This feels highly disingenuous.

I didn’t vibe with some of your recent postings. I’m not even voting you. I don’t truly scumread you. In that snapshot, I have everyone as more town, yet by razor thin margins.

You seem oddly defensive, especially for someone who literally asked why you weren’t being scumread.

Perhaps you’d like to explain the discrepancy in attitudes?

"oddly defensive" - how so?

[DkKoba]

arko has never posted

i had a mafia dream the other night and that must have been where i seen it because my brain really felt convinced he posted

[DkKoba]

ketchup777
usesPython
Doctor Drew
JacksonVirgo
Political Clout
Hu Tao
light_ganski
Black
Titus
Laplacian
Ranger
Arko*


this is generally where I'm at right now

[DkKoba]

can someone talk to me about ketchup btw

we can talk about ketchup but I don't know. I feel like it might be a bit unproductive.

im ngl i reread their ISO and i immediately was like "nah this is not scum lol" lmao

ketchup has basically been all over this game and in a way that suggests independence and uninformedness. like if theyre scum who is it with? i guess one could make the argument with me but obviously I personally otherwise would be unable to see that argument xd


although my uneasy feeling could very well be from the fact there might be a traitor/traitors and thus we are among somewhat uninformed scum. idk.

[DkKoba]

ok

[DkKoba]

i said my piece, i wont make myself a backboard for you to make easy content, cheers.

[DkKoba]

you'd think someone who has misread me embarassingly twice in the past as town would have more care about me being at the bottom again, but then again i think ranger is just scum by POE anyways, and theyre just trying to ignore my towny points intentionally to paint me as a possible scumread. somehow going from top early on to bottom do be wild

This feels highly disingenuous.

I didn’t vibe with some of your recent postings. I’m not even voting you. I don’t truly scumread you. In that snapshot, I have everyone as more town, yet by razor thin margins.

You seem oddly defensive, especially for someone who literally asked why you weren’t being scumread.

Perhaps you’d like to explain the discrepancy in attitudes?

"oddly defensive" - how so?

For a slot who literally asked why you weren’t being scumread, you seem to have an overreaction to even the potential I

could

scumread you, despite you literally asking what made you town and believing there wasn’t anything.

yeah is that weird for me?

[DkKoba]

VOTE: LG

I think the mindset displayed in 93 is probably more likely to come from scum. Scum don't want townies to find each other and it feels like she's bothered that I have a gut townread already

I was actually about to say that she seems different from the last game I was in where she was scum. Do you have any experience with her?

I agree I’m getting townie vibes from light, and from you, hu tao (:

I’d rather be attacked by dragons
than join these crappy day 1 wagons

I feel like I’m posting too much, sorry

Leave some posts for the rest of us, damnnnn

I tried to but noone told me if they would prefer to be a horse or a dung beetle

Very tragic

56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss

The slip makes the PC vote more reasonable though

UNVOTE: PC

not really judging you in a bad way but out of curiosity why would that mean you unvote?

PC's vote felt pretty forced but they have forced votes as town too so we were looking for a trigger that would cause them to meta you in 37 there

Ok sure I thought it was just to get out of RvS

56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but

who knowssss

Don't like the fencesitting.

I would never
VOTE: Titus

Bolded for emphasis. What do you call who knows if not fencesitting?

no you're right that may seem like I was unwilling to take a side. I'm just not confident in reads yet. I wasn't denying fencesitting there though, I meant (by voting you) I was not fencesitting. partly as a joke but hey I also don't really see get you're on me

let's all go scumhunting!

VOTE: Doctor Drew

like I think a lot of what people on this site read as indicative of inexperienced scum is really more indicative of town that doesn't know site meta/culture yet

{DKKoba}
{Doctor Drew}
{Laplacian}
{usesPython}
{ketchup777}
{Hu Tao}

P1.

VOTE: DKKoba
lol

hi ranger I do not understand how you do the lists so early, pls explain

like is it all just vibes or is there anything more there

Light:

This sentence brought me joy. It reminded me of we‘re going on a bearhunt. I imagined Light as an innocent child (not of the role variety), holding hands with the rest of us as we set off into the sunset.

seems like a decent point

I was also curious about Ranger‘s lists, so someone on the same wavelength as me might be coming from the same alignment (the townnnn don’t frownnn the maf are going downnn

this part is in brownnn

)

56 kinda feels like a townie post

in tone but not in content methinks as disengagement tends to maf probably but who knowssss

Don't like the fencesitting.

I would never
VOTE: Titus

wasn't ketchup saying I was scum? odd.

I’m open minded. I only like 55%ed you scum, or whatever the scum%is + 5%.Titus attacking me a few times and not acknowledging my 36 has hit me the wrong way. half joke half scum read

anyway, where’s Arko? confirmed a while ago but nothing here

mmm I’m more confused. I thought she was just doing a bit of general probing to put me under pressure and stuff. what are you getting at?

What I'm getting at is that it's weird that you seemingly are not considering that the difference is that I'm a wolf this game. You're thinking the difference is within you first and foremost, even when you're not town-reading me which would be the only reason I would imagine this not come across in your head.

Oh ok i see.

Even if you’re a wolfy and making up your sus on me, I expected you to suspect that I would probably cross-question you on your reasons for it. so you had to have some 'reasons', reasons which can only have come from my ISO.

This kinda feels like reasoning made up after ketchup was called out for talking to JV like he's town

Ok it seems like I’m inadvertently digging myself into holes. Full disclosure, I may have kind of blindsided on not thinking about Jackson’s alignment, but I was scared to admit that after both of you were on me for it. I’ve seen how Gypyx couldn’t survive after you were both on her. It might have been in the back of the mind, honestly I wasn’t really thinking about Jackson‘s alignment at all though. I was just looking at it from a 'what are the reasons for him suspecting me' kinda viewpoint. I hadn’t really considered alignment would matter, to be honest. I also have a slight reluctance to try and sort Jackson until necessary. I want new exciting gameplay! although a wagon forming on me a day in is not quite what I had in mind

i guess this collection of posts kinda illustrates how ketchup is just EVERYWHERE just doing a little bit of everything and intereacting with anyone, just feels a bit archaetypal of my own townplay in a way lol

if they are scum im sure it will be catchable and theyll have a big trail from this to read into so im not too worried if they are scum anyways

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Koba

Just to get it out of my system lol

nice try but i claim uncc miller VOTE: usespython

koba making this joke in a way that lets people laugh it off as a joke but would get a miller to say something feels kinda bad

why would mafia benefit from knowing who's a miller? if i understand correctly, something like 'miller gunsmith' is possible? or is miller a role not a modifier

This is a setup where

Setup

1. Mafia Goon
   
   
2. Mafia Goon
   
   
3. Mafia Goon
   
   
4. Town Cop
   
   
5. Town Miller
   
   
6. Town Miller
   
   
7. Town Miller
   
   
8. Town Miller
   
   
9. Town Miller
   
   
10. Town Miller
    
    
11. Town Miller
    
    
12. Town Miller
    
    
13. Vanilla Townie

is a realistic possibility that scum have to play around. In that example not claiming miller would be a pretty big scumclaim that scum could easily walk into

why are we doing day one setup speculation on the basis of one miller claim

like if theres something I'm missing here pls do tell

monkey pattern seeking brain gets dopamine on establishing pattern that make them think they win, neuron activated.

basically lol

[DkKoba]

im kinda feeling titus might be town so maybe arko has to be mafia here

thought i said this but yeah

im notoriously bad at reading titus esp early game so please dont even sheep me on anything i said about her if i die early on

[DkKoba]

i have cheated by delegating my read to someone i perceive as better at reading her than me in the past but i dont see that cheat here so im like uhh fuck it poe

[DkKoba]

@Koba, how am I related to Arko?

2 separate thoughts

[DkKoba]

i am willing to put full null players into the PoE if theres enough players i feel confident calling town basically lol

[DkKoba]

@Koba, how am I related to Arko?

2 separate thoughts

#confused

you arent related with arko but he replaced you in my tentative solve because i forgot he existed as a non posting entity. (hard to believe but i definitely thought he posted due to a dream i had lol)

[DkKoba]

how is PC hard to read lol

i feel like u either feel 1 way or the other about a player like him from my 1 game sample with him

doesnt seem like a very "huh " inducing player to me

then again its boring but my first conclusion is that that happens bc you are scum and i already had you as scum so yeah lol

[DkKoba]

lap is at e-2, intent to hammer if they get to e-1

[DkKoba]

lap is at e-2, intent to hammer if they get to e-1

good to know, claim time then since I'm effectively at E-1.

I'm a Disloyal Cop. If I cop scum it works like normal and I get a scum result. If I cop town, my action fails in a way that's indistinguishable from a roleblock.

ok dont care

[DkKoba]

VOTE: lap boom bye scum

[DkKoba]

nah i actually thought i hammered bc of your vote

[DkKoba]

but feel free

[DkKoba]

well then tell lap not to fakeclaim roles he doesnt have

[DkKoba]

oh lmao

[DkKoba]

Reaction test: destroyed

Lol, Alianna is such a party pooper

says person with hammer

[DkKoba]

i think the claim is claimed strong precisely to buy a day, i dont think for a second its useful by any means

[DkKoba]

DkKoba, miller is pointless without cops and other investigatives to fuck with and you've given no time for anyone to cc and slam the book on me. What the point in rushing this?

well itd be useful for you if youre scum disloyal cop

[DkKoba]

youre appealing to me with the type of arguments i get when scum think the strength of their claim is good enough to be townread for (???) reasons

[DkKoba]

Reaction test: destroyed

Lol, Alianna is such a party pooper

says person with hammer

Touche

VOTE: Lap

PODRACING

[DkKoba]

gg i was maf

[DkKoba]

bamboozling the mafia by being so bad they think im an optimal kill nice