Mini Normal 2327: Bird Species (Game Over)

[Ausuka]

(I am v/la)

VOTECOUNT 3.1

Black (2)

- Random Nurse, NotAScum

Hu Tao (2)

- Black, Save the Dragons

Naerys (1)

- shaddowez

NotAScum (1)

- SmileyDude1

Not Voting (2)

- Hu Tao, Naerys

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 3 is in (expired on 2024-03-10 17:16:48).

[Hu Tao]

NAS stated that they scumread me so I think that would be 4 votes. Either way I'm saying that I still think RN is more likely town and NAS is likely scum.

[Hu Tao]

To clarify I think scum!RN would still vote for me since he's been pushing the Black/gob narrative for a hot minute and it would look strange for him to abandon that now

This is a good point actually

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: NAS

I still want this

[Black]

VOTE: NAS

I still want this

Do you think his whole "who did everyone target N1?" thingy is just him being ballsy and not caring how scummy he looks? I'm almost getting TWTBAW vibes here

[SmileyDude1]

Do you SR Black independently, or only via partner equity?

Not sure what you mean by partner equity, but mt SR on Black is pure on her back and forth with gob.

What was this about?

These are related to the following questions that I'll ask to SmileyDude1.

1. Can you go through your thought process during the Gob/Snow vig situation? You start out more so believing in Gob in your 813 and 814 then precede to pitching the idea that both of them are town and thinking Gob's vig claim wasn't serious in your 867 and 870 before you transition to calling him scum in your 926. What caused your thoughts to change at these points?

2. Was their anything in particular that made you think Gob was likely to flip Goon specifically? Or are you saying it's more of a misinterpretation?

All of your questions have been answered, you're asking questions based on my posts which are the answers. Now, I asked you a question before which you didn't answer, about what you think about Black. You're dodged that question which did not go unnoticed. I'll ask you different set of questions now, what did you do N1, SmileyDude1? Did you visit anyone? Who and why?

My apologies for not addressing you properly on Black, (though I feel like my trajectory there is pretty evident if you actually read through my posts).

Also I don't think you've answered my question in a satisfactory manner yet. I am asking you to go deeper on what specifically caused your taught process to change at those points. I noted that you went from point A to point B to point C, I am asking you to go more into how you went from those points.

[SmileyDude1]

I agree with NAS being scum. I think the last is Dragons. I liked Naerys push on gob day 1. I liked shadows overall play. And I don't think random and NAS are a team. I think black is town and I think smiley is town.

I'm pretty sure dragon is town

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: NAS

I still want this

Do you think his whole "who did everyone target N1?" thingy is just him being ballsy and not caring how scummy he looks? I'm almost getting TWTBAW vibes here

I have no idea what that means but I think he's just new and I think that might be NAI

[Black]

I'll ask you different set of questions now, what did you do N1, SmileyDude1? Did you visit anyone? Who and why?

Like this just has to be town right? It's giving "I need information to help solve the game as town" moreso than "I need this information to win the game as scum"

[Hu Tao]

I agree with NAS being scum. I think the last is Dragons. I liked Naerys push on gob day 1. I liked shadows overall play. And I don't think random and NAS are a team. I think black is town and I think smiley is town.

Hmm. I'll trust you on this for today
I'm pretty sure dragon is town

[Hu Tao]

I agree with NAS being scum. I think the last is Dragons. I liked Naerys push on gob day 1. I liked shadows overall play. And I don't think random and NAS are a team. I think black is town and I think smiley is town.

I'm pretty sure dragon is town

Hmm. I'll trust you on this for today

Fixed

[SmileyDude1]

I agree with NAS being scum. I think the last is Dragons. I liked Naerys push on gob day 1. I liked shadows overall play. And I don't think random and NAS are a team. I think black is town and I think smiley is town.

What did you like about her push on gob D1?

I think in general I feel pretty good about her atm. I'm currently combing through Gob at the moment though, so that maybe could change things.

Speaking of which, feels like Gob was consistently transitioning between feeling neutral on Naerys and shading/scumreading her. Would say it feels less partnery to me right now

Why does this behavior make them feel less partnery?

For me, I think intuitively it feels less likely scum would consistently hold their partner in that position without there being a softening in opinion at some point. Like there's never really a moment where Gob "feels better about Naerys" like I might expect if partnered. Stuff like 666 where it seems like Gob is less trying to shade Naerys to distance and more like he's trying to make a Naerys lim happen. It feels closer to scum trying to push on town than scum trying to distance from a partner to me.

Looking at it from Naery's end, I also find myself vibing with her Gob push during day 2 as well(it feels like it came at a point where Gob was still up in the air in terms of whether they'd be limmed). I think I lean town on Naerys atm, they're not in the group of people that i'm near 100% sure on being town, but they're also not in the group of people i'd want to look at limming today either right now

Naerys does a similar thing in reverse, first with a SR on gob on D1 switching to a TR somewhat randomly and without explanation in 218. There's some nonsensical back and forth between them, and then her posts on D2 feel forced. 839 and 842 don't make sense for all of a sudden believing he's lying about the vig kill in 852.

VOTE: Naerys

Eh, I see some problems with your case here. I think 218 wasn't Naerys stating a townread on Gob so much as a general statement that she feels better about him. After 839 and 842, but before 852 she makes 845 and then transitions to voting in 852 after black does some convincing.

That's not to say she isn't scum. I do think the progressions wre more nuanced than what you're making them out to be.

[Black]

Tinfoiling a Smiley/Hu solve for post-game cred

[Hu Tao]

I also disagree with Shadow but yeah I think that I made it clear already

[Hu Tao]

Maybe I should look into shadow and see why I Town read him in the first place

[SmileyDude1]

Bringing this back again

<---- My Brain after reading these last few pages

Ok given the cat's out of the bag now I think it's best for me to claim what I know.

I am a town neapolitan

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N1: Checked Black. came up not a VT
N2 Checked StD. came up a VT

I'm inclined to believe that Black is telling the truth when she claims TPR here. I think her postulating concern in her 772 about NaS rolefishing alongside the multiple instances where she expressed more worry about being forced to claim than actually being eliminated ( 824, 831, 935, 939, 946 there might be more in there though I think this sufficiently shows my point) point towards Black telling the truth in regards to being a town PR in my opinion

[Hu Tao]

Okay yeah. I figured that's why I backed off dragon.

[Hu Tao]

Okay. My original town reads of black snow and smiley were all PR I actually wish I was scum this game

[Black]

Any consensus on the expected number of Scum members this game?

I'm thinking it's safe to assume it's 3.

Don't bitch about me asking.

Going to bed now, and will be up later this evening. No quickhammers either.

VOTE: nurse

I think cakes vote seemed weird though. And nurses post seemed forced that I quoted. I'm fine with either of them being the elimination so far

First impressions on what happened so far.

I feel like the manner Gob has gone about the early game feels fairly aggressive in a manner that I wouldn't expect to come from scum this early into the day. I don't really agree with his rationale for limming Black here (at least on the base level of "policy lim" probs going to read through Black again afterwards to clarify my thoughts there).

Think so far I feel the worst about Nurse. From what I know of him they can be pretty aggressive at times in tone but their exchange with STD feels like there is a defensive undertone underneath there that's pinging me at the moment

Any consensus on the expected number of Scum members this game?

count the number of names in your pm

And what did you think you'd gain from your weak attempt at casting shade at me, STD?

I want you to explain your intention.

Fine.

We'll see how much it was "just a joke" as the this Day wears on.

VOTE: Random Nurse

My brain also pinged a slight bit at NotaScum's vote on 94 due to its position on the wagon and for being a bit of a sheep vote, but I realized it's not really fair to isolate it due to other votes on the wagon feeeling similar.

I mostly agree with what you're saying. Especially with RN

VOTE: random nurse

I'm going back to this for now. I'm always wrong on cakez so I'll let the vote slide for now

Either way, I think nurse is still the best vote right now based off what I said earlier

Random Nurse - unsure, leaning sus. Could just be busy
NotAScum - Is a scum
Hu Tao - Hu Taown
SmileyDude1 - Towny
Black - towny
T3 - idk
gob - gob
SirCakez - idk
Naerys - idk
Snow2697 - towniest town to ever town
shaddowez - towny based on lady interaction
Aristeia - towny
Save the Dragons - idk

T3->NotScum->Nurse------->Black--> (everyone else not in my keep category)

This would describe where i'm at in terms of priority launch order right now.

My thoughts about T3 212 still hold up. I'm not sure what to make of there 449 walkback. Gut instinct, it feels bad to me to 180 on their position given the other posts within the ISO but I probs need to think on it more.

I'm taking NotScum's 464 as a sign they may become easier to get a read on from day 2 onward (otherwise they'd probs be on the same rank as T3 for not providing much to work with)


VOTE: T3

I didn't realize NotAScum was new too. So I'm willing to give him more time. I'm fine with t3

VOTE: t3

Hu why did you vote for T3 here over RN?

[Hu Tao]

I think that was end of day no? And we needed an elim?

[Black]

Bringing this back again

<---- My Brain after reading these last few pages

Ok given the cat's out of the bag now I think it's best for me to claim what I know.

I am a town neapolitan

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N1: Checked Black. came up not a VT
N2 Checked StD. came up a VT

I'm inclined to believe that Black is telling the truth when she claims TPR here. I think her postulating concern in her 772 about NaS rolefishing alongside the multiple instances where she expressed more worry about being forced to claim than actually being eliminated ( 824, 831, 935, 939, 946 there might be more in there though I think this sufficiently shows my point) point towards Black telling the truth in regards to being a town PR in my opinion

Hmmmm

[Hu Tao]

Never mind that was something else. It's because I started to soft on Nurse a bit since I remembered how he could be in terms of paranoid.

[Black]

I think that was end of day no? And we needed an elim?

It was 4 days away from the deadline

Pedit: um ok

[Black]

You didn't sus him because he was paranoid though. That wasn't why you wanted to fade him

[Black]

Smiley what was your reasoning for targeting me N1 when it seems like there were several other people you were more suspicious of?