Mini Normal 2329: complex. [game over!]

[KayJayQueue]

this conversation reads like a near midnight conversation yessirree

Only 8:30 for meee

[Random Nurse]

I don't think scum shot at you I think they shot Klick because I refuse to believe a vig could possibly shoot Klick.

You never know based on the player.

[Aristeia]

I don't think scum shot at you I think they shot Klick because I refuse to believe a vig could possibly shoot Klick.

You never know based on the player.

generally speaking on balance you never want roleblocker and vig to fire on the same night because its massively swingy

[KayJayQueue]

And just checking again I’m not sure my earlier question was answered, do we know if the order it was posted means anything to which kill was which last night?

[Aristeia]

And just checking again I’m not sure my earlier question was answered, do we know if the order it was posted means anything to which kill was which last night?

it means nothing but I don't think the mafia would nightkill Davesaz

[Random Nurse]

I see no incentive for mafia to kill RN

I know you think I'm bad Town and it would be smart for Scum to leave me alive, but that's really just your opinion and realistically Scum wouldn't want an IC surviving late-game whatsoever.

They just haven't been able to kill me yet. They didn't know I was BP Night 1. It's highly possible they tried to kill me Night 1 but failed.

[Aristeia]

Datisi rands the order of his nightkills

[Aristeia]

They just haven't been able to kill me yet. They didn't know I was BP Night 1. It's highly possible they tried to kill me Night 1 but failed.

they literally had a bulletproof immune goon so they can infer from that information that you might be bulletproof

[Random Nurse]

They just haven't been able to kill me yet. They didn't know I was BP Night 1. It's highly possible they tried to kill me Night 1 but failed.

they literally had a bulletproof immune goon so they can infer from that information that you might be bulletproof

They can infer that anyone could be BP.

[Aristeia]

I don't see the point of continuing to speculate whether the Vig shot Klick or the Mafia shot Klick. Klick is dead, Dannflor is a VT, this information literally could not help us in any way I can think of.

[Random Nurse]

It's possible they shot at and failed to kill me N1, so shot elsewhere N2.

[Random Nurse]

I'm thinking the Vig should claim.

[Aristeia]

ok lets say they did that

lets say a vig shot klick and they failed to kill you on night one

how does that change anything about the game

[Psyche]

I don't think scum shot at you I think they shot Klick because I refuse to believe a vig could possibly shoot Klick.

You never know based on the player.

generally speaking on balance you never want roleblocker and vig to fire on the same night because its massively swingy

doesnt this imply we might be able to sort titus better w fullclaims from both her and the vig?

[KayJayQueue]

How many times can the vig kill? Is it 2, that’s why we’re speculating them having 2 kills? I feel like it’s obviously 100% they killed last night, I don’t know how else to account for 2 deaths. First night kill is just a guess?

[Random Nurse]

ok lets say they did that

lets say a vig shot klick and they failed to kill you on night one

how does that change anything about the game

Well, you could look at past player interactions and perhaps draw conclusions. You may not think it's important but it can very well be. It can also be useful for future Days as well.

[Psyche]

geraintm, Aristeia, Titus, KayJayQueue, Psyche, Political Clout.

This should be the claim order IMO

still think we should roughly try to stick to this claim order

[Aristeia]

doesnt this imply we might be able to sort titus better w fullclaims from both her and the vig?

I think Gated Vig + BP IC + Gated Roleblocker is a balanced full set of TPRs.

I don't think there are any more TPRs left unclaimed.

If mafia choose to not fake-claim any TPRs, those three TPRs are essentially our "clears" so we'd be operating from a position where we have three clears and five unknowns - we'd be basically going two mafia in five players at that point.

I don't think there's a need to "sort" titus atp as long as we don't get another TPR claim outside the vig.

[Psyche]

im really eager to probe yalls thoughts but if we're massclaiming it's safest if the claiming happens first

[Random Nurse]

Also if we deduce that Scum tried to kill me N1 and a Vig shot Klick, that means the Vig had at least two shots, maybe more.

Vig should speak up now. Scum will then have to decide on whether to kill me or Vig tonight. Vig could also explain their kill targets.

[Random Nurse]

And if Vig claims now and someone CCs, we can have a better chance of killing Scum now rather than dealing with it end-game.

[Psyche]

no i dont think vig speaks up "now". i think a well-considered massclaim sequence has some chance of achieving better results.

[Aristeia]

ok so i guess we take a vow of silence and wait for geraintm to inevitably claim vigilante very cool

[Psyche]

gera claiming vig would be the best thing

[Random Nurse]

no i dont think vig speaks up "now". i think a well-considered massclaim sequence has some chance of achieving better results.

What sequence do you propose?