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[Alianna]

1.10

Votecount 1.10

Little Will o' Wisp (3): Gypyx, PenguinPower, davesaz
Naerys (3): Little Will o' Wisp, Thomith, Titus
davesaz (2): Hu Tao, Snow2697
Hu Tao (2): NotAScum, geraintm
PenguinPower (1): JacksonVirgo
NotAScum (1): KayJayQueue
Titus (1): Naerys

Not Voting (2): Random Nurse, Oblivion

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-03-25 12:26:37).

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

[KayJayQueue]

UNVOTE:

That Naerys wagon makes no sense to me.

[Alianna]

Random Nurse is being prodded.

[Hu Tao]

The people that unvoted Dave, can I know why?

[geraintm]

The people that unvoted Dave, can I know why?

My last vote was my Random vote from thr start of thr game

[Hu Tao]

The people that unvoted Dave, can I know why?

My last vote was my Random vote from thr start of thr game

Why am I scum?

[davesaz]

NAS is a somewhat sus, what little there is. Probably not worth a yeet unless we think being quiet is an actual scumtell for him.

[davesaz]

UNVOTE:

That Naerys wagon makes no sense to me.

How hard did you look at the vote reasons? Are they any more or less valid than typical for d1?
Also how does the comment relate to the unvote?

[davesaz]

Indeed, I too find that in the realm of wagon dynamics, also known as wagonomics, nestled snugly within the town/scum-plane curvature of said wagon's interior, lies a peculiar point dubbed "Point PP3" or the PenguinPoint. This enigmatic locus defies conventional wagon analysis, oscillating between states of scum-like ambiguity and town-like absurdity. Its coordinates, expressed purely in the language of mathematics, would be as follows: (π^2 + √5, 2.71828...).

It is here, within the confines of Point PP3, the laws of wagonomics intertwine with the calculus of imagination, yielding conclusions that dance in the mists of uncertainty. It has been said that only the most audacious of waggoners dare venture close, for at this singular spot, the very fabric of rationality frays into nonsense, where town and scum lose their meaning, and the imaginary alignment frolics merrily with its real counterparts. Truly, Point PP3 stands as a testament to the profound absurdity that lurks beneath the veneer of wagonomics.

So a very elaborate "these are not the droids you're looking for"?

[KayJayQueue]

UNVOTE:

That Naerys wagon makes no sense to me.

How hard did you look at the vote reasons? Are they any more or less valid than typical for d1?
Also how does the comment relate to the unvote?

Well from what I saw, the reasons that people were sussing/voting her were things that I did as well. So if I agreed with the vote it would be like agreeing that I was in the same boat. Obviously, I don't agree with that assessment.

The unvote doesn't really relate but I didn't feel like making 2 posts. I unvoted to be able to add a vote to a someone that was not Naerys but I haven't felt strongly enough to do so. My gut says Will'O but I also have a couple other people I am considering. Just trying to gather info at this stage.

[davesaz]

I can't easily see an obvious parallel in this case, but it's often much harder to see that from the outside than from inside.
There is a pitfall involved, just because someone did similar things doesn't necessarily mean they share your alignment. The why is as important or more than the what.

[Thomith]

UNVOTE:

That Naerys wagon makes no sense to me.

How hard did you look at the vote reasons? Are they any more or less valid than typical for d1?
Also how does the comment relate to the unvote?

Well from what I saw, the reasons that people were sussing/voting her were things that I did as well. So if I agreed with the vote it would be like agreeing that I was in the same boat. Obviously, I don't agree with that assessment.

The unvote doesn't really relate but I didn't feel like making 2 posts. I unvoted to be able to add a vote to a someone that was not Naerys but I haven't felt strongly enough to do so. My gut says Will'O but I also have a couple other people I am considering. Just trying to gather info at this stage.

The difference that I saw is you seem to he attempting to solve more generally, while it appears as if Naerys is focusing on the people that are voting her almost completely.

[Thomith]

UNVOTE:

That Naerys wagon makes no sense to me.

How hard did you look at the vote reasons? Are they any more or less valid than typical for d1?
Also how does the comment relate to the unvote?

Well from what I saw, the reasons that people were sussing/voting her were things that I did as well. So if I agreed with the vote it would be like agreeing that I was in the same boat. Obviously, I don't agree with that assessment.

The unvote doesn't really relate but I didn't feel like making 2 posts. I unvoted to be able to add a vote to a someone that was not Naerys but I haven't felt strongly enough to do so. My gut says Will'O but I also have a couple other people I am considering. Just trying to gather info at this stage.

The difference that I saw is you seem to he attempting to solve more generally, while it appears as if Naerys is focusing on the people that are voting her almost completely.

This is a recent development to be fair, Naerys did seem to be trying to solve based on the Snow wagon early, but more recently has been focusing mostly on people voting her unless prompted.

[davesaz]

This is a recent development to be fair, Naerys did seem to be trying to solve based on the Snow wagon early, but more recently has been focusing mostly on people voting her unless prompted.

If true there may be something to this. I'm too short on sleep for the week to spend time

now

, making this comment will help me remember to look when more time available.

[Naerys]

I am focusing on people voting on me bcz their reason either doesnt exist or its a bs

[Gypyx]

Hey game is dead. Wonder why? Wisp is prolly town.

Gonna have to look at this post back is wisp flips town

why not dave being town too?

Possible, hence why vote change. I still like my davesaz scumread though.

Yes, but why does the dead game doesn't also indicate him as town

[Gypyx]

NAS is a somewhat sus, what little there is. Probably not worth a yeet unless we think being quiet is an actual scumtell for him.

I think being quiet is a towntell for him

[Thomith]

@Willow why do you think Naerys is scum?

[Snow2697]

I am focusing on people voting on me bcz their reason either doesnt exist or its a bs

Well...
We have 15 players. I know that I am town. 14 players left. Probably at least 4 scums. So, let's say 10 towns-4 scums.
My speedwagon consisted of 7 people. You said that there is at least 1 scum there. This leaves us with 2-3 scums between 7 players outside the wagon.
3 people criticized my wagon. Wisp said that at least 1 scum is among them (Kay-you-Oblivion).
If you take issue with this point by Wisp and you do not think that there is 1 scum between Kay-you-Oblivion, then ... how you can be sure about this? Also, this leaves you with 2-3 scums between 4 people who were not on the wagon and did not criticize it. You should look for scums there.
If you accept that there is some merit in the point by Wisp, and you are town, then you should look at Kay and Oblivion (1 scum between 2 players).

Otherwise, you have to say that (1) there are at least 3 scums within my wagon + me (since I am town, I would take it like there are at least 3 scums on the wagon, not sure this is realistic), (2) there are no scums between you-Kay-Oblivion (how can you be confident in this if you are town?) and (3) it makes more sense to look for 3 scums between 7+1 players than for 1 scum between 4 players.

So, I do see a reason for people voting you, and your position and your focus on them is not very convincing, at least for me.

[Naerys]

Blah

[Snow2697]

No-no, "blah" is not enough.
Based on my speedwagon and critique or lack of critique thereof, we have 4 categories of players: (1) me, (2) 7 players on my wagon, (3) 3 players who criticized my wagon, (4) 4 players left.
You are in category 3. 3 players who voted you are all in category 2.
Please explain why you think that category 3 is scum-free (seems like you disagree with Wisp) and how in your view scums are distributed between 1-2-4. (Your position should explain why you focus on 3 players in category 2.)

[Naerys]

No

[Snow2697]

If you don't respond to legit questions, why do you complain of people voting you?
Still dislike Dave, but Naerys is worse.

VOTE: Naerys

[geraintm]

The people that unvoted Dave, can I know why?

My last vote was my Random vote from thr start of thr game

Why am I scum?

Because you made post 247

Don't worry, I'll move it soon

[biancospino]

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