Mini Theme 2330 - A Questionable Almost-Normal Game - Postgame

[ketchup777]

If Enchant's scum here then light wouldn't be faking a red check on one of like two people who'd actually have a decent chance of being VT (Ranger cause fakeclaim meta and Ketchup cause VT crumbs)

tru gd point

[ketchup777]

Idk. I think Drew dies here with Enchant scum. So o think we eliminate enchant

If you were scum in the final 6 we had who do you think you’d NK and why?

You

I believe that

[ketchup777]

from VC 1.13-1.23 the 3 leading the wagon were Hu Tao-LG-Black and like... would scum really do that?

[usesPython]

1.19

Votecount 1.19

Laplacian

(4): Hu Tao,

light_ganski

,

Black

,

Ranger

light_ganski

(3):

Doctor Drew

,

Titus

,

Laplacian

Ranger

(1):

DkKoba

DkKoba

(1): usesPython

Doctor Drew

(1):

JacksonVirgo

ketchup777 (1): ketchup777

Not Voting (2): Arko, Political Clout

See, we were right about Ranger being scum

[usesPython]

from VC 1.13-1.23 the 3 leading the wagon were Hu Tao-LG-Black and like... would scum really do that?

We've done that as scum before, it's not that hard

[usesPython]

Especially when the alternative is to either bus or let your teammate get limmed

[ketchup777]

I have come to learn that I am a terrible day 1 player as town. And I'm not sure how to improve on that.

also just remembered how this felt like a townpost

[ketchup777]

1.19

Votecount 1.19

Laplacian

(4): Hu Tao,

light_ganski

,

Black

,

Ranger

light_ganski

(3):

Doctor Drew

,

Titus

,

Laplacian

Ranger

(1):

DkKoba

DkKoba

(1): usesPython

Doctor Drew

(1):

JacksonVirgo

ketchup777 (1): ketchup777

Not Voting (2): Arko, Political Clout

See, we were right about Ranger being scum

oops lmao

[ketchup777]

from VC 1.13-1.23 the 3 leading the wagon were Hu Tao-LG-Black and like... would scum really do that?

We've done that as scum before, it's not that hard

hmm maybeeee

I think HT's position @end of day 1 VC is the strongest. idk how to order the rest of us but I'd say we all look sus for different reasons.

[usesPython]

We should probably actually use our vote at some point

VOTE: PC

[ketchup777]

We should probably actually use our vote at some point

VOTE: PC

I'll figure out who to vote at some point

[ketchup777]

woah everyone here is on page 3 (bar enchant)

[ketchup777]

let's all go scumhunting!

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Nuh uh

any particular reason you dont wanna go scumhunting jackson?

Cuz I’m a wolf and we have a traitor I don’t wanna accidentally kill

Sus

join me on the jackson train hu tao

calling out to hu tao if she is scumbuddy is deeeep

also i missed iso777 party oops

[Alianna]

5.02

Votecount 5.02

usesPython (E-2): Political Clout
Enchant (E-2): Hu Tao
Political Clout (E-2): usesPython

Not Voting (2): Enchant, ketchup777

With 5 players alive, it takes 3 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-03-30 13:08:20).

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

[Political Clout]

@mod I am vla

[ketchup777]

how long for? I’m casing you rn

[ketchup777]

python town

why?

~DELETED~

black didn’t answer this I don’t think. Could be PC trying to healthily push against his scum buddy but Black didn’t have a great answer so tried to get him to back off in the scum chat. I feel Black would make more of an effort to answer townpeople’s questions to avoid suspicion

I will have more stuff lol just an appetiser

[ketchup777]

VOTE: light ganski

First Light vote didn’t come with any reasoning.

reads list time

Spoiler:

towny:

usesPython: great catch in 813. I can't see scum cross-referencing lists & pages like that.
ketchup: while I don't agree with their reads, they're actively trying to scumhunt and think
drew: good logic, I like how he argued with both usesPython and JV

neutral:

HT: i said they were towny earlier, but that dropped back to neutral after mischaracterizng me in JOAT.
JacksonVirgo: frustation over tunneling chat seems genuine. But I can't tell is frustration is from not wanting to admit tunnel or scum mad that their pushed collapsed. good taste in gifs tho
DkKoba: miller claim, ignore until d3 unless something super scummy happens

scummy:

Ranger: still dont like dem magic lists. Super easy to fake the progression to just coast along with prevailing opinions while looking like you're scumhunting
light_ganski: see 827

Everyone else either has low posts or I'm having trouble reading still.

I for the life of me can't see how any of this is alignment indicative.[/spoiler]

UNVOTE:

Bit of a strange unvote of Light. Why not stick with your guns and go for Lap if Lap’s post gave you doubts?

VOTE: Ganski

what convinced you to vote ganski?

Not like you explained what convinced

you

to vote ganski.

UNVOTE:

I'm going to sleep on this.

layed down for bed could not sleep felt all wrong.

VOTE: laplacian

step on the gas.

We’ve been over this before but yep it still looks bad. I picture Lap lying in the road and scum!Pc accelerating a truck over him.

disloyal does appear in the thread aliana linked.

You don't think it is easy to find a viable fake claim with this?

I mean, why would you think they would fake claim something NOT in that thread?

do you just want to argue? where's your vote for lap?

pushing Drew into bad decisions. also you were clearly having doubts about Lap, why push others into a potentially disastrous hammer?

I checked Titus. Lap should have been the only real cop anyone making allusions to that should probably be voted I'm at work rn. Be back later.

I’ll come back to this.

Lap should have been the only real cop anyone making allusions to that should probably be voted

what do you mean by this

VOTE: ranger

Why did you unvote Lap if you're claiming Cop with this mentality then?

It seemed like the right thing to do then I thought it over in my head and it seemed like the wrongest thing to do since it sounded like a scum claim and I was a cop too.

Doesn’t feel genuine.

ok i Imagine it can’t be right but just to explore all alleyways would no limming once or twice hoping to increase the chance we have a useful cop to get results have any merit?

scum claim tbh.

why not focus on me then?

town
enchant
Hu Tao
Doctor Drew

black,ketchup, jackson there is one scum in here I think

Titus
python

Ranger
light ganksi

these pairings have high scum equity me thinks

I will also come back to this.

my gut says it's light no solving minimal posting no reads VOTE: light ganski

Poor reasoning for Light vote again.

titus usespython lightganski I think this might be the team.

the hemming and hawing coming from python is undoing my jeans. first they jump on me and try to get jv and then jv says nah they unvote now they try the same thing with ketchup. like come on I see it you see it we see it. It was all an act.

Looking back at PC’s reads given a bit before, this is weird. Wasn’t Light supposed to be scum with Ranger because both of them claimed modified cops? And if Python is the one you have stuff on why pursue Light?

isn't 3 masons 7 VT vs goons supposed to be balanced? yet the above setup might easily get to a point where only 1 person is confirmable. plus masons have private topic and stuff

Friends and Enemies

yeah cool so this suggests that we have at least one other cop with modifiers (let's not go too deeply into this incase of info leaks tho) and PC was coming at it from a weird angle

ranger already said it was them.

and do you believe her?

no cc so sure.

Weird. Light effectively CCed which you were making a big deal about on Day 3. And you were all too ready to vote Ranger earlier on Day 2.

You made this huge showing about the setup and now you just drop it...what?

I've voted like 6 different people (and some of them multiple times) today I'm hardly locked in

VOTE: ketchup I'm locked in.

But like…why? I wasn’t in your proposed solve

VOTE: light Ganski

No reasoning given for a Light vote again! who’d have thought?

And kinda a not so good vibe from Python

tell me more tell me more.

PC manipulated Drew into a Mislim once he’s practically orgasming at the prospect of doing it again (and also for an excuse to move his vote off Light)

ok im going to blurt any thoughts I had from end of day 1 for the next 10/20 mins or however long it takes to get them down

no thanks just do one big post thanks

oop hopefully this’ll make you happy (:

... There was competing claims?

between ranger and light some type of different flavored cop.

And what competing?

one of them just called the other scum.

PC did know about Light and Ranger being modified cops then.

classic, ignoring my question to instead insult me

no serious question that I saw from you.

how did you gather 4 anti-light points so quickly? If you’d indulge me I’d like to know the exact way you searched for these quotes. ISO from the top? ISO from the bottom? asap

you just ctrl f ranger lol

interesting, when i ctrl f it only finds words on the page we're currently on?

you have to go to lights iso

aha ok.

Spoiler:

VOTE: ranger

VOTE: Titus

E-1

I'll post properly tomorrow, but I'm happy enough w this lim

I’m going to be busy most of today, so can’t type out the details of the slip.

So for the next 26 - 30 hours, let me leave with this:

Why do we know there’s more than three Cops?

Why wasn’t it possible to have Copx3 + 7VT?
Or something similar?

What made it impossible to you?

Or more importantly, what made it impossible to

Titus

?

What made it not just suspect shenanigans? What confirmed there were?

ranger a lot of your ISO seems like "raising hypotheticals that all lead to titus"

ranger's catchup still feels nothing tonally like her town game in frienemies

@black because light suspected ranger since day 1 and voted titus. because ranger's solve was titus light and python. to me It just seems like they would try and resolve eachother. idk.

why is the first post you quoted out of order with the others then?

what is the point of answering this? What does it reveal to you and how does that matter to my alignment or rangers or lights?

You tell me. What's there to hide?

the fact that it's fluff the fact that it doesn't advance the game the fact that you're taking up pages and drowning out other people from talking the fact that you can't even recognize that your questions don't generate anything of value. idk that's just off the top of the dome.

avoiding my questions, maybe reluctant that I might catch him in a slip.

obvs I think that they are out of order because you and at least one other mafia buddy came together in the night to find anti Light posts, then you just went to the scum PT today, selected multiple quotes and job done

I can guarantee this wrong, yet think this only comes from town.

I think I agree

sweet…

VOTE: ketchup

oh ): if you wanted to hammer you could also have unvoted rather than potentially derailing the Light wagon by putting me to E-3

light flipping Rolecop-Finder actually gives more credence to that theory

it's odd we find ourselves in such a similar situation...omg maybe I'm bad maybe it's just me (((

PC on the verge of giving in?

The baseline for anyone with more than a few games under their belt looking at a Disloyal Cop claim as a Cop is to think "There is no way this guy's real" and we're not willing to lose this game giving you a pass on that here

In a questionable almost normal game? it's what all gave me pause about everything.

Not for long it seems. 'Gave me pause' on its own implies a lengthy, even indefinite doubt methinks

I think I agree with python that we mafia also couldn't know the setup. just that their were maybe a plethora of investigative roles. I probably need to think more on it.

Still think this is a hilarious slip (:

I expected me or Python to die btw, and expected Enchant and PC never to die. so I Desk this a successful night

why?

I thought python and I were the highest consensus Townread. Python not as strong but still high methought. You too seemed too dodgy to not be left alive

if I was scum I would never ever kill you at all. you decided I was scum long ago for ????? reasons and aren't even trying to engage with me to actually try and find my alignment you're confbiased that's alright though me or python get's resolved today anyways.

VOTE: python

both of us can't stay in the game I'm really hoping it's just python. I am waffling on it though.

The bit about never killing me could be a true thought. More selected this one to focus that PC seemed to be very confident on wanting Python, yet soon this apparent confidence seems to dissipate:

I'm totally fine just switching to ketchup and speed limming them. their progression is awful.

At one point you thought I was town. Seems you’re just voting me out of annoyance.

(:

[ketchup777]

maybe warming to Enchant as scum!Enchant had to think Ranger was a good night kill option.

won’t vote PC till he’s back from V/LA, but I want to vote PC

[ketchup777]

maybe warming to Enchant as scum!Enchant had to think Ranger was a good night kill option.

won’t vote PC till he’s back from V/LA, but I want to vote PC

on night 2

[ketchup777]

So many of PC’s posts just have a wishy washy hedge-betting tone

[ketchup777]

I'll tell you what I'm worried about that black and hu tao are distancing and that you aren't entertaining universes where I'm town and that we might lose because of today. I am also worried that if I'm alive then we lose the game because of ketchup who has it in his mind I'm scum because reasons. so it might be in our best interest to launch me. I hate being launched though. this would presuppose that you're town. although I am using last game heavily to influence that thought. maybe I should just 1v1 you. I think I am pretty sincere and towny. you would have ketchup on your side. then it would just mean I have to convince everyone else. let me think about it more.

in 2795 you thought Black was town tho, so why worry?

I think I'm changing my mind I'm okay with flipping ketchup actually.

3 minutes after saying you thought I was 'independently towny'? and you go to wanting to flip me? bro?

[ketchup777]

I'll tell you what I'm worried about that black and hu tao are distancing and that you aren't entertaining universes where I'm town and that we might lose because of today. I am also worried that if I'm alive then we lose the game because of ketchup who has it in his mind I'm scum because reasons. so it might be in our best interest to launch me. I hate being launched though. this would presuppose that you're town. although I am using last game heavily to influence that thought. maybe I should just 1v1 you. I think I am pretty sincere and towny. you would have ketchup on your side. then it would just mean I have to convince everyone else. let me think about it more.

in 2795 you thought Black was town tho, so why worry?

sorry, wrong timeline. however you def said you townread Black before that then.

[Hu Tao]

I have come to learn that I am a terrible day 1 player as town. And I'm not sure how to improve on that.

also just remembered how this felt like a townpost

So true tho

[Enchant]

STILL

LAZY

MUST

SLEEP